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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 May 2006 22:15:46 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:


"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article , Frank
Boettcher wrote:

On Tue, 09 May 2006 04:17:36 +0100, Peter Wiley
wrote:

In article et,
Maxprop wrote:


You might try Vermont--I hear they love Subarus up there, especially
those
horrid things with the flat-four engines.

Umm, Max - every Subaru I've ever seen has had either a flat 4 or a
flat 6. Do they sell something else in the USA?

Vested interest - I have a Liberty AWD sedan (Legacy to you guys) and
I
like it. It starts, runs, is comfortable and reasonably quiet. Mileage
is OK and at 230K, I expect to get at least another 100K out of it
yet.
Never seen a Tribeca here but from the pix, looks a bit better than a
WRX. That's damning with faint praise :-)

PDW


Kilometers?

Well, of course. Doesn't everyone use the metric system?

The USA began the switch to the metric system some decades back, but gave
up
the idea due to cost. Too bad. Now we have both systems--British and
metric, and I have to have two sets of wrenches and sockets, not to
mention
speedometers that read in both systems.

Max


We do not use "British" and Metric. We use S.A.E. and metric. The British
came
up with a system that is worse than their teeth or their cusine, known as
"Whitworth". It's sort of the metric system expressed in fractions. It
means a
THIRD set of wrenches and sockets for those who own a British vehicle.

Tools are SAE, but our system of numbers is referred to as British. SAE
tools are numbered in the British fashion.

Max

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I'm sure the "many hybrid owners" are more orgasmic about their cars
than
about the second coming of Christ. After all they already bought them
and
are stuck with an cost-inefficient technology that will be superceded
shortly.


Plenty of folks give bad reviews to their new cars, Maxi. Just cruise
the Ford or GM forums.
As for Consumer Reports, every auto enthusiast considers them a joke,
even worse than MotorTrend. They're fine if you need help buying a
washing machine. And CR thinks Bose is world class sound. Nuff said.

RB
35s5
NY

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I don't have anything against Subarus, either, but don't tell Bubbles.




Holy backpedal, Batman!!!!
Sadly, I, and many others do have something against the sad little 3
series BMWs which can't hold a candle to cars from Subaru from resale
to handling. Fact. Sadly, people will buy crap if it has the right ad
campaign...and a reputation for capabilties that don't always trickle
down....enter the 3 series. Cars for the college graduate, almost as
popular as the Civic with the kids.
Enthusiasts seek better performance with cars like the Evo, STI, WRX,
FXT...and those willing to pay more...5 series, A6, S4 and so on.
3 series = I can't afford a real BMW.

RB
35s5
NY

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Gee, that must put the STI in the economic basement of ownership.
Sorry to
hear that.


STI costs 35K all said and done. It does EVERYTHING better than your 3
series, from handling in ALL conditions, to safety, to
speed...EVERYTHING. Oh, and it's resale IS BETTER.


Japanese pocket rocket
surfaces.


You might want to do a bit more research, Maxi. Or better still, drive
a few new cars. A car like the STI has supercar performance. 0-60 in
4.7 seconds and the handling combined with AWD than leaves most other
sports cars in the dust. Oh, and your beloved Consumer Reports seems to
think the Subaru is also more reliable, rated along side of Toyota for
2005!

An RX or an ES
would have been helpful.

Yep, we can all understand that is a comparison with the Triebca, you
thought I mean ES!!! Coming up next for Maxi....Pictures!


I know that the RX330 and my Toyota Highlander, along with the Honda Pilot
leave your Tribeca in the dust in every survey and test so far
published.

Bad news, Maxi....The tribeca outhandles the Highlander. In fact so
does the Pilot. It's one of the worst handling crossovers out there. It
also trails the Tribeca in every safety related area from stopping
distance to crash tests. Only the MDX comes close, but lacks the
superior Subaru AWD system. Did you even know that the highlander loses
ABS when traction control kicks in? So does the Pilot and MDX, but the
new MDX will cure this. You really studdied hard for that Highlander!
It was the first car we, and everyone we know, looked at....and passed
on. Along with the BMW X5 (the only SUV that Car & Driver felt handled
a bit better than the Tribeca at the expense of ride quality), the
Highlander is the most dated ride around.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm sure the "many hybrid owners" are more orgasmic about their cars
than
about the second coming of Christ. After all they already bought them
and
are stuck with an cost-inefficient technology that will be superceded
shortly.


Plenty of folks give bad reviews to their new cars, Maxi. Just cruise
the Ford or GM forums.
As for Consumer Reports, every auto enthusiast considers them a joke,

I'm an auto enthusiast, and I don't, which clearly refutes that statement.

even worse than MotorTrend. They're fine if you need help buying a
washing machine. And CR thinks Bose is world class sound. Nuff said.

The Consumer Union does three things that no one else does: 1) they *buy*
the cars they test--they are not specially-prepared cars, provided by the
manufacturers, owners, or dealerships like ALL the other automotive press
uses. They just go buy an example of the car off someone's lot, and they
don't tell them what it's for. 2) they test the car over a period of months,
not just a one or two-day trial at some track and over a piece of roadway.
3) they take no advertising from manufacturers, thereby not committing
themselves to fluffing a road test in order to keep an advertiser happy.

Every other American road test group, whether automotive printed media or
on-line source, uses borrowed cars. And if they pan the car too severely,
they can kiss getting future vehicles for testing goodbye, not to mention
lost advertising revenues. The British magazines are somewhat less beholden
to the manufacturers, but they, too, use borrowed cars.

It's not surprising that lots of enthusiasts dislike Consumer Reports. If
you've paid $50K for a new Corvette, and CR has just published a road test
calling it a piece of plastic junk with more rattles than a wealthy baby,
you probably are going to take issue with them. It's like Practical Sailor
magazine--I hear far more hate-speak toward them than praise, but then they
call 'em the way they see 'em, too. Any time someone knocks your particular
boat, car, anchor, or whatever, you're going to be ****ed. And you're
probably going to do whatever you can to discredit that source.

Consumer Reports does one other thing: they do the most inclusive and
extensive owner surveys in the industry. Only Road & Track magazine does a
good job in this area, but not as extensive as CR.

Go ahead, Bubbles--shoot the messenger. But if the foo ****s . . .

As for Bose, they made some very fine speaker systems years ago. I have no
idea what they produce now, but I'm guessing you're prejudice against them
is long-standing and based on seriously out-dated information from CR. I've
never seen CR refer to Bose as "world-class sound," so I have to conclude
that this is something you heard from other prejudiced types. I'm under the
impression that you've probably never had an original thought in your life.

I have B&W speakers in every room that has a sound system. There are none
finer at any price, but the old Bose 901s I used to own were certainly
within the 95th percentile compared with my B&Ws.

Max

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Well; thank you Max,

The process in called Cellular Ethanol;

Close. It's "cellulosic ethanol."

An it is the process of using
the waste (What is now called Waste) biomass. The same size field can
out produce Corn 10 to 1 and the emission is reduced by 85% compared to
Ethanol from Corn is only about 25%. The Fermentation uses Gas rather
than Yeast and is getting cheaper every day but is still higher cost yet
than Crude but, as you say, it is competitive right now.

Max; Ethanol is the Chem of the week right now but there are 4 Alcohol
of high interest Methanol, Ethanol, Propanol and butanol. All capable of
replacing Fossil Fuels. Butanol is closer to gasoline than Ethanol

What's frightening is that Big Oil is investing heavily in ethanol, both in
obtaining government-granted rights to grow switchgrass on gov't land, plus
ethanol production facilities. Apparently they aren't going to lose their
market share quietly. I suppose it can be argued that no one "does it
better," but the way they've mishandled the Katrina-period pricing, I'm
worried that we'll never see reasonable prices at the pump again.

Max

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:46:51 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:

Tools are SAE, but our system of numbers is referred to as British. SAE
tools are numbered in the British fashion.

Yes, our tools are numbered in the "british fashion" of fractions, but the
Brits
are expressing metric sizes using fractions, while we are using the inch.

The Brits abandoned their various systems in favor of the metric system
decades ago.

If you
needed to work on a 1954 BSA Golden Flash, you would need a set of
WHITWORTH
wrenches and sockets. Neither a metric or American SAE set would fit
properly.

Thankfully I don't own a BSA from that vintage. However I did have an early
60s conglomerate (built from a variety of parts from various years) BSA Gold
Star flattracker, but that was all metric.

Max

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I have B&W speakers in every room that has a sound system. There are
none
finer at any price, but the old Bose 901s I used to own were certainly
within the 95th percentile compared with my B&Ws.


Wow...I read everything you wrote up to this point and was about to
respond until I came to the hilarious comments about Bose and B&W.
Maxi there are plenty of finer speakers than your B&Ws. In fact, even
if you have 801's in every room, there are plenty that are better from
Martin Logan, Revel and of course Snell. I just sold my B&W CDM 1
center channel (a 900 dollar speaker) and it was good, but hardly the
best. My Revel speakers did everything better. Likewise my rear channel
B&W LM-1s, also sold off. Good gear from B&W (mated to Rotel amp and
preamp), but tippy highs require a more laid back preamp section. Yet
B&W uses Rotel for their listening tests!
As for Bose, even their top of the line 901s were a joke for false
imaging and Bose has always employed cheap drivers combined with unique
cabinets to fool less educated listeners...folks like you. Go listen to
a pair of Revel Ultima Gem's and then tell me what you think of your
B&Ws.
I get the feeling, as with BMW, that you're a fellow who buys into
advertising hook, line and sinker.


RB
35s5
NY

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Thankfully I don't own a BSA from that vintage. However I did have an
early
60s conglomerate (built from a variety of parts from various years) BSA Gold
Star flattracker, but that was all metric.


uh oh! Oops!


RB
35s5
NY

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 12:39:09 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


"Mys Terry" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 May 2006 02:46:51 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:

Tools are SAE, but our system of numbers is referred to as British. SAE
tools are numbered in the British fashion.

Yes, our tools are numbered in the "british fashion" of fractions, but
the
Brits
are expressing metric sizes using fractions, while we are using the
inch.

The Brits abandoned their various systems in favor of the metric system
decades ago.

If you
needed to work on a 1954 BSA Golden Flash, you would need a set of
WHITWORTH
wrenches and sockets. Neither a metric or American SAE set would fit
properly.

Thankfully I don't own a BSA from that vintage. However I did have an
early
60s conglomerate (built from a variety of parts from various years) BSA
Gold
Star flattracker, but that was all metric.

Max



Based on your own statements, you VERY obviously did not own a BSA.

Based on your comment, I'd say you are up to you old trick of speaking
without a clue again.

Max