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For some reason he came out of my KF tonight.
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Scotty, don't get too upset. This guy (or is it a woman?) is not worth responding to, although you are correct of course. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "Mys Terry" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:12:45 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: What does this have to do with gas prices? You posted something incredibly stupid and I simply reciprocated. Your posts are always incredibly stupid. S |
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Ever see rush hour in a big city?
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ?? I drive a Jeep, and I have three other cars. I'm willing to pay more or pick smaller cars if that's what it takes. I don't often agree with Bushco, and even though he's just pandering, I agree that America is addicted to oil produced by countries who are hostile to us. We should let them eat their oil by reducing our dependency. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... The point is not to "collapse" the economy. The point is to force people to change their driving and car purchase habits. That would do it, according to economists. Do you ride a bicycle everywhere? Do you own a car? Why are liberals so selfish? SV |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ?? I drive a Jeep, and I have three other cars. I'm willing to pay more or pick smaller cars if that's what it takes. I don't often agree with Bushco, and even though he's just pandering, I agree that America is addicted to oil produced by countries who are hostile to us. We should let them eat their oil by reducing our dependency. What we don't buy, China will. The Arabs couldn't care less if we all buy solar-powered electric cars. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Scotty, don't get too upset. This guy (or is it a woman?) is not worth responding to, although you are correct of course. Every now and then he actually posts something other than his typical acerbic BS. I'll respond to those posts, if the subject is of interest. Otherwise you're absolutely right--he's hardly worth the effort. Max |
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Gas prices Group: alt.sailing.asa Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2006, 6:43pm From: (Joe) Joe, Ethanol is a much better fuel for individual transportant and it is renewable. Solar, wind or Nuke should probably be best for Centerized Power and could make Electric or Hybrid (with Ethanol or Hydrogen or even Compressed air) available for personel Transport. http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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"katy" wrote
I think large cities should be proactive on this issue and legislate that unless there is a specific reason for driving a pick up truck or SUV in the city, less than 3 occupants, etc, that those vehicles be disallowed (passing through on the xway not counting). I agree 200%. IMO NO private autos should be allowed inside of major cities. Moreover, anyone born in a major city, or who has live in one continiously for more than two years, should never be allowed to leave, except to go to another large city via public transportation such as rail. Such cities should be wholly self supporting with no public funds from outside each city and each should dispose of its own waste within city limits (no outside dumping). |
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"Mys Terry" wrote
In other words, you don't really understand the root of the problem. My suggestion would lead to a better world for all. War and greed would be unnecessary because there would be enough of everything to go around. Any idea what happens when you put 50 rats into a cage designed to properly hold and support 10? As a matter of fact, yes. HEW did basically that in an experiment conducted outside Rockville, Md in the late 1960s. My neighbor was one of the scientists on the project. They sealed a hemongeous warehouse and released just enough rats to provide genetic diversity, provided plenty of food and water, and watched what happened. Early on, the rats formed up into "tribes", each claiming an area of the building. If one rat wandered into another 'tribe's' territory, the owners would make threats to chase him out and he inevatably left unharmed. But, as the population grew the threats turned into actual attacks - at first minor but ever more violent until tresspassers were being killed. This despite plentiful food and water. Like most animals, female rats will not accept males while nursing. This was observed at first but about the same time attacks on tresspassers became deadly, 'gangs' of males began breaking into nest boxes and killing the young. Tom cats were known to do this but it had never been seen in rats before. Then males from the same "tribes" began banding into smaller "gangs" and attacking other males of the same tribe. Finally, over a period of a few months, the rats all quit breeding. No more young were born and finally the last rat died of old age. Nobody was ever able to guess why this happened. Remember, it is dangerous to extend animal behavior to people. |
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Robert Brody will not have to pick anyone is this Texas proffessor is
right. UT professor says death is imminent By Jamie Mobley The Gazette-Enterprise Published April 2, 2006 AUSTIN - A University of Texas professor says the Earth would be better off with 90 percent of the human population dead. "Every one of you who gets to survive has to bury nine," Eric Pianka cautioned students and guests at St. Edward's University on Friday. Pianka's words are part of what he calls his "doomsday talk" - a 45-minute presentation outlining humanity's ecological misdeeds and Pianka's predictions about how nature, or perhaps humans themselves, will exterminate all but a fraction of civilization. Though his statements are admittedly bold, he's not without abundant advocates. But what may set this revered biologist apart from other doomsday soothsayers is this: Humanity's collapse is a notion he embraces. Indeed, his words deal, very literally, on a life-and-death scale, yet he smiles and jokes candidly throughout the lecture. Disseminating a message many would call morbid, Pianka's warnings are centered upon awareness rather than fear. "This is really an exciting time," he said Friday amid warnings of apocalypse, destruction and disease. Only minutes earlier he declared, "Death. This is what awaits us all. Death." Reflecting on the so-called Ancient Chinese Curse, "May you live in interesting times," he wore, surprisingly, a smile. So what's at the heart of Pianka's claim? 6.5 billion humans is too many. In his estimation, "We've grown fat, apathetic and miserable," all the while leaving the planet parched. The solution? A 90 percent reduction. That's 5.8 billion lives - lives he says are turning the planet into "fat, human biomass." He points to an 85 percent swell in the population during the last 25 years and insists civilization is on the brink of its downfall - likely at the hand of widespread disease. "[Disease] will control the scourge of humanity," Pianka said. "We're looking forward to a huge collapse." But don't tell local "citizen scientist" Forrest Mims to quietly swallow Pianka's call to awareness. Mims says it's an "abhorrent death wish" and contends he has "no choice but to take a stand." Mims attended the educator's doomsday presentation at the Texas Academy of Science's annual meeting March 2-4. There, the organization honored Pianka as its 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist - another issue Mims vocally opposes. "This guy is a loose cannon to believe that worldwide genocide is the only answer," said Mims, who filed two formal petitions with the academy following the meeting. Joining the crusade, James Pitts, who recieved a Ph.D. in physics from UT-Austin, became the second to publicly chastise Pianka when he filed a complaint Saturday with the UT board of regents. He insists a state university is no place to disseminate such views. He writes: "Pianka's message does not fall within the realm of his professional competence as a biologist, because it is a normative claim, not a descriptive one. Pianka is encouraged to use his ecological expertise to predict the likely consequences of certain technological and reproductive strategies, but to evaluate some as good, bad, or worthy of prevention by genocide is the realm of philosophy or political science, not science. His message falls no more within his professional competence than it would for a physicist to teach religion in class or a musician to encourage racism." But Pianka, a 38-year UT educator, maintains he's not campaigning for genocide. He likens mankind's story to an unbridled party on a luxury cruise liner. The fun's going strong on the upper deck, he says. But as crowds blindly absorb the festivities, many fail to notice the ship is sinking. "The biggest enemy we face is anthropocentrism," he said, describing the belief system in which humans are the central element of the universe. "This is that common attitude that everything on this Earth was put here for [human] use." To Pianka, a human life is no more valuable than any other - a lizard, a bison, a rhino. And as humans reproduce, the demand for resources like food, water and energy becomes more than the Earth can sustain, he says. Ken Wilkins, a Baylor University biology professor and associate dean, agrees the inevitability of a crashing point is unarguable. "The human population is growing," he said. "We will see a point when we reach the carrying capacity - there aren't enough resources." But resources aren't the only threat, Pianka says. It's the Ebola virus he deems most capable of wide scale decimation. "Humans are so dense (in population) that they constitute a perfect substrate for an epidemic," he says. He contends Ebola is merely an evolutionary step away from escaping the confines of Africa. And should an outbreak occur, Pianka assuredly says humanity will quickly come to a "grinding halt." The professor's not the only one who can articulate this concept. Because Pianka includes his doomsday material in his coursework, Ebola and its potential play a notable role in some students' studies. A syllabus for one course reads: "Although [Ebola Zaire] Kills 9 out of 10 people, outbreaks have so far been unable to become epidemics because they are currently spread only by direct physical contact with infected blood. However, a closely-related virus that kills monkeys, Ebola Reston, is airborne, and it is only a matter of time until Ebola Zaire evolves the capacity to be airborne." It is here that some say Pianka ventures from provocative food for thought to, as Wilkins said, "very extreme material" that violate many people's views - including his own - about the treatment of human life. While many praise Pianka's boldness and scientific know-how, others say he crosses an ethical line in his treatment of Ebola's viability as a killer. In an evaluation of Pianka's course - performed anonymously in keeping with university policy - one student offered: "Though I agree that conservation biology is of utmost importance to the world, I do not think that preaching that 90 percent of the human population should die of Ebola is the most effective means of encouraging conservation awareness." Mims says he's seen countless doomsday predictions come and go. But Pianka's is different, Mims said. Pianka, he insists, exhibits genuine cause for alarm. Mims worries fertile young minds with a thirst for knowledge may develop into enthusiastic supporters of a deadly disease, advocating the fall of humanity. "He recommended airborne Ebola as an ideal killing virus," Mims said. "He showed slides of the Four Horsemen of the apocalypse and human skulls. He joked about requiring universal sterilization. It reminded me of a futuristic science fiction movie with a crazed scientist planning the death of humanity." But as confident as Mims is in his assessment, he faces one unarguable fact: Most of Pianka's former students are bursting with praise. Their in-class evaluations celebrate his ideas with words like "the most incredible class I ever had" and "Pianka is a GOD!" Mims counters their ovation with the story of a Texas Lutheran University student who attended the Academy of Science lecture. Brenna McConnell, a biology senior, said she and others in the audience "had not thought seriously about overpopulation issues and a feasible solution prior to the meeting." But though McConnell arrived at the event with little to say on the issue, she returned to Seguin with a whole new outlook. An entry to her online blog captures her initial response to what's become a new conviction: "[Pianka is] a radical thinker, that one!" she wrote. "I mean, he's basically advocating for the death for all but 10 percent of the current population. And at the risk of sounding just as radical, I think he's right." Today, she maintains the Earth is in dire straits. And though she's decided Ebola isn't the answer, she's still considering other deadly viruses that might take its place in the equation. "Maybe I just see the virus as inevitable because it's the easiest answer to this problem of overpopulation," she said. Though listeners like McConnell may walk away with a deadly message, Pianka maintains this is inconsistent with his lecture. One UT official said Pianka is likely well within his rights as a tenured educator. The 1940 Statement of Principles on Academic Freedom and Tenure - a set of guidelines recognized nationwide - guarantees college professors vast classroom liberties. But Neal Armstrong, vice provost for faculty affairs at UT, said even this freedom is not without limits. "Faculty members have the right of free speech like anyone else," he said. "In the classroom, they're free to express their views. There is the expectation, though, that in public - especially when speaking on controversial topics - they must make every effort to be clear that they are not speaking on behalf of the university." Students should be able to discern on their own the validity of views like Pianka's, Armstrong said. But if allegations of Pianka actively advocating human death were to be confirmed, he said "there might be some discussion about the appropriateness of that subject." "I would hope that's not what's intended," he said. "I don't think that's appropriate for the classroom, but that's my personal statement." Robert K. Jansen, chair of the section of integrated biology under which Pianka is classified, said his understanding of the doomsday material left no cause for concern. "It's important for students to get all opinions, and they have to do that on a daily basis," he said. To hold a classroom's attention, Jansen says educators must often "speak their mind" in a fashion bold enough to garner a bit of shock. The Texas Academy of Science uses a similar approach in defending its decision to honor Pianka with the Distinguished Scientist award. Though TAS offered no direct comment to the Gazette-Enterprise, an email sent from TAS President David Marsh to Mims in response to Mims first letter of protest reads: "We select the DTS speaker based on his/her academic credentials and contributions to science. We do not mandate the subject he/she decides to address, nor will we ever. I would suggest that one of the purposes of any such presentation is to stimulate discussion - which indeed it did." In his petitions, Mims inquires about the group's stance on Pianka's talk, asking if the recent honor should be interpreted as an endorsement by TAS. Marsh responded firmly, saying the award does not represent any formal backing of Pianka's ideas. But despite the academy's flat denial of any wrongdoing, Mims maintains his stance. He said thus far, he's seen no response to the second petition. "I completely agree with one assertion made several times by Dr. Pianka: 'The public is not ready to hear that he hopes 90 percent of them will be exterminated by disease,'" Mims said. McConnell said the TAS audience, unlike Mims, was in awe of Pianka's words. They offered a standing ovation, and enthusiastically applauded Pianka's position, Mims said. "There was a good deal of shock and just plain astonishment at what he had to say," the student said. "Not many folk come out and talk about the end of the human population in as candid of a manner as he did. Dr. Pianka received a standing ovation at the end of his talk, if that says anything. What he had to say was radical, no question about it, but that is not to say that at least some of what he had to say is not true." Though Pianka turned down requests for a sit-down interview, he maintains he is not advocating human death. Does he believe nature will bring about this promised devastation? Or is humanity's own dissemination of a deadly virus the only answer? And more importantly, is this the motive behind his talks? Responding to these very questions, Pianka said, "Good terrorists would be taking [Ebola Roaston and Ebola Zaire] so that they had microbes they could let loose on the Earth that would kill 90 percent of people." As of press time, Pitts - who sent his appeal via email Saturday - had received no response from the university, but he says, "It's too early for any responses to have been made." Meanwhile, Pianka urges humanity to heed his call to be prepared, saying "we're going to be hunters and gatherers again real soon." "This is gonna happen in your lifetime," he told his St. Edward's audience. "Do you wanna go there? We've already gone there. We waited too long." · Read more about Pianka by visiting his lab page at uts.cc.utexas.edu/~varanus/ · Read more about Forrest Mims at www.forrestmims.org or visit the Citizen Scientist at http://www.sas.org/tcs/index.html Reply |
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"Vito" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote I think large cities should be proactive on this issue and legislate that unless there is a specific reason for driving a pick up truck or SUV in the city, less than 3 occupants, etc, that those vehicles be disallowed (passing through on the xway not counting). I agree 200%. IMO NO private autos should be allowed inside of major cities. Moreover, anyone born in a major city, or who has live in one continiously for more than two years, should never be allowed to leave, except to go to another large city via public transportation such as rail. Such cities should be wholly self supporting with no public funds from outside each city and each should dispose of its own waste within city limits (no outside dumping). Wouldn't it be easier to just nuke all the big cities? |
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"katy" wrote
So...discounting immigration, the us, GB, and Europe have all achieved zero population, and in some places have a negative birth rate in the middle class up. .... I didn't know that was the case in the USA. Could you cite a source? So who decides who does and doesn't get to have babies? I suggest letting economics decide. Give each person two "chits" allowing them to father or give birth to two babies. If one didn't want children before having them, one could sell his/her chit(s) (on eBay grin) at whatever the market would bear. Similarly one wanting more than two kids could buy chits. This would allow young people to sell to, say, finance their education or a house, then buy when they could better afford kids. It's all very democratic and fair to everybody. And who do you commit genocide on? Africa? They're doing a really good job already on themselves. I'm not going to kill anybody. I'd let God do it! As you say, it would be unnecessary to commit genocide. All we have to do is quit helping the poor breed like roaches and mother nature will limit their population. ... China? They've been committed to that for years and yet they could still physically engulf the US with population alone. They have their own solutions and don't need any intervention. Who's going to enforce world legislation? God. As you said, most developed countries are limiting their indigineous populations already and there is a huge backlash building against immigration from the "third world". If these countries, including the USA and China, simply close our borders and simultaniously quit paying other countries to over populate, the problem in those countries will solve itself just as it is in regions of Africa. When Rhodesia was governed by Europeans it more than fed itself but now as Zimbabwe, it does not. And when a pandemic hits, and wipes out millions, who will be the replacement stock? Why the people of the developed countries who have vaccines and medicines of course - vaccines and medicines they do not share. And there is no need to hurry - the world could do without a few millions. |
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Well, Jon. I don't fly, so I think all airplanes should be
grounded, world wide.. I don't ride on busses, therefore all busses should be parked, permanently. Neither do I use the train, ditto. I loathe powerboats, we should sink every one. People who ride motorcycles should get free gas. Those using wood stoves should get major tax breaks. Trucks , and motorcycles, should be the only vehicles allowed on Interstate roads. All elevators should be welded closed and people forced to use the stairs. I have more, but that's a start. SBV "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Nothing to do with trucks, freight, etc. They need to travel. The main problem is that regular consumers need to be weaned off of large, gas guzzling cars and Stupid Utility Vehicles. If gas prices rose to north of $5/gal, the car companies would be forced to make cars more efficient because no one would buy the gas pigs. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2006, 10:15am From: lid (Capt. JG) The point is not to "collapse" the economy. The point is to force people to change their driving and car purchase habits. Jon, How about 18 Wheelers, Air Freight & air mail, Military air patrols, Harbor patrols, border patrols? How about tripling Bridge fares? Parking fares? School busing? Let's get the Cops back on there feet? Trolley? How about going to Oars for Auxiliary Power, Outlaw Power Boating. Home Heating with wood or coal or even electric. We have a lot of ways to change our society to do without oil. I'm almost 80 years old and don't give a damn:^) It up to you youn'uns. CHANGE!!!! http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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"katy" wrote
If more people rode mopeds, vespas, those scooter things, etc we'd be better off. Europeans do, why shouldn't we? Good question - IF you live in or near a major city. But many are fortunate enough to not have to do that. The down side (or plus side depending on how you look at it) of this is that jobs, markets, medical care and entertainment are often far away. It is 15 miles (one way) to my job, 8 to the nearest grocery, and 20+ to major shopping or a MD. That'd be hard to do in winter snow. Moreover, why should we be forced to live cheek to jowl like Europeans just so people of limited intellegence can breed like roaches, having 3, 4 and more kids per couple?? |
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"Capt. JG" wrote
Nothing to do with trucks, freight, etc. They need to travel. The main problem is that regular consumers need to be weaned off of large, gas guzzling cars and Stupid Utility Vehicles. Why?? So those too stupid to avoid having kids they cannot afford can continue to breed like cockroaches? |
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Scotty wrote:
Ever see rush hour in a big city? "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ?? I drive a Jeep, and I have three other cars. I'm willing to pay more or pick smaller cars if that's what it takes. I don't often agree with Bushco, and even though he's just pandering, I agree that America is addicted to oil produced by countries who are hostile to us. We should let them eat their oil by reducing our dependency. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... The point is not to "collapse" the economy. The point is to force people to change their driving and car purchase habits. That would do it, according to economists. Do you ride a bicycle everywhere? Do you own a car? Why are liberals so selfish? SV My youngest son lives south of Atlanta...I ahve never seen traffic like that, even in Los Angeles....took us 45 minutes to get across a street to go to Wally World for groceries.. |
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Maxprop wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ?? I drive a Jeep, and I have three other cars. I'm willing to pay more or pick smaller cars if that's what it takes. I don't often agree with Bushco, and even though he's just pandering, I agree that America is addicted to oil produced by countries who are hostile to us. We should let them eat their oil by reducing our dependency. What we don't buy, China will. The Arabs couldn't care less if we all buy solar-powered electric cars. Max Yes...they will buy and use up all the Arab oil...not bothering to exploit their own oil fields...then they will ahve a monopoly on oil, as well, as everything else. If you can't get there one way, another road will do. |
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Joe's news clip predicting the end (almost) of humankind
Don't need a biologist to rehash that scenario. Historically, humans have been almost decimated from earth several times. Histtory repeats itself...for awhile, we all thought it would be AIDS...now we're saying Bird Flu...doesn't matter what the name, one day some pandemic will do it's best and the strong will survive and the whole thing will start all over again...that's kife, not death. Che sera, sera. |
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Vito wrote:
"katy" wrote So...discounting immigration, the us, GB, and Europe have all achieved zero population, and in some places have a negative birth rate in the middle class up. .... I didn't know that was the case in the USA. Could you cite a source? Not off the top of my head. Can't find what I'd read but did find this which supports that it is the recent immigration population of the US that is having babies, not the historically WASP/European background citizen. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pub...m_births04.htm So who decides who does and doesn't get to have babies? I suggest letting economics decide. Give each person two "chits" allowing them to father or give birth to two babies. If one didn't want children before having them, one could sell his/her chit(s) (on eBay grin) at whatever the market would bear. Similarly one wanting more than two kids could buy chits. This would allow young people to sell to, say, finance their education or a house, then buy when they could better afford kids. It's all very democratic and fair to everybody. The Chinese have been doing that. So we're going to have the government legislate birth. Don't think so... And who do you commit genocide on? Africa? They're doing a really good job already on themselves. I'm not going to kill anybody. I'd let God do it! As you say, it would be unnecessary to commit genocide. All we have to do is quit helping the poor breed like roaches and mother nature will limit their population. I am partly in agreement with you there. When I was working HR, many of the young women that came through the system were working (at $10/hr to start) and collecting welfare of some kind. I am all for welfare that trains people so they can become self-sufficient but 70% of our employees were playing the system. They knew exactly how long they had to work before they could get themselves fired, how to get enough unemployment to tide them through, and how to get back into the system when the welfare ran out. It would make an excellent sociology study for someone writing their doctoral dissertation. The mahority of these women were under 30 and most had at least 2-3 children, oftentimes with another imminent. ... China? They've been committed to that for years and yet they could still physically engulf the US with population alone. They have their own solutions and don't need any intervention. Who's going to enforce world legislation? God. As you said, most developed countries are limiting their indigineous populations already and there is a huge backlash building against immigration from the "third world". If these countries, including the USA and China, simply close our borders and simultaniously quit paying other countries to over populate, the problem in those countries will solve itself just as it is in regions of Africa. When Rhodesia was governed by Europeans it more than fed itself but now as Zimbabwe, it does not. And when a pandemic hits, and wipes out millions, who will be the replacement stock? Why the people of the developed countries who have vaccines and medicines of course - vaccines and medicines they do not share. And there is no need to hurry - the world could do without a few millions. BTW, Vito, God is not some giant director in the sky. He made us with free will. All this comes about by our own actions, not His. He set the stage and let us write the story. |
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Hmmm... not a problem here. Perhaps he's attempting to circumvent filtering
again. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... For some reason he came out of my KF tonight. "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Scotty, don't get too upset. This guy (or is it a woman?) is not worth responding to, although you are correct of course. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "Mys Terry" wrote in message ... On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:12:45 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: What does this have to do with gas prices? You posted something incredibly stupid and I simply reciprocated. Your posts are always incredibly stupid. S |
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Fortunately, I only get the ones that interest you and Scotty. :-)
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message link.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Scotty, don't get too upset. This guy (or is it a woman?) is not worth responding to, although you are correct of course. Every now and then he actually posts something other than his typical acerbic BS. I'll respond to those posts, if the subject is of interest. Otherwise you're absolutely right--he's hardly worth the effort. Max |
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That's a pretty good start... except that I use planes fairly frequently.
:-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... Well, Jon. I don't fly, so I think all airplanes should be grounded, world wide.. I don't ride on busses, therefore all busses should be parked, permanently. Neither do I use the train, ditto. I loathe powerboats, we should sink every one. People who ride motorcycles should get free gas. Those using wood stoves should get major tax breaks. Trucks , and motorcycles, should be the only vehicles allowed on Interstate roads. All elevators should be welded closed and people forced to use the stairs. I have more, but that's a start. SBV "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Nothing to do with trucks, freight, etc. They need to travel. The main problem is that regular consumers need to be weaned off of large, gas guzzling cars and Stupid Utility Vehicles. If gas prices rose to north of $5/gal, the car companies would be forced to make cars more efficient because no one would buy the gas pigs. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2006, 10:15am From: lid (Capt. JG) The point is not to "collapse" the economy. The point is to force people to change their driving and car purchase habits. Jon, How about 18 Wheelers, Air Freight & air mail, Military air patrols, Harbor patrols, border patrols? How about tripling Bridge fares? Parking fares? School busing? Let's get the Cops back on there feet? Trolley? How about going to Oars for Auxiliary Power, Outlaw Power Boating. Home Heating with wood or coal or even electric. We have a lot of ways to change our society to do without oil. I'm almost 80 years old and don't give a damn:^) It up to you youn'uns. CHANGE!!!! http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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Yes.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Vito" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote Nothing to do with trucks, freight, etc. They need to travel. The main problem is that regular consumers need to be weaned off of large, gas guzzling cars and Stupid Utility Vehicles. Why?? So those too stupid to avoid having kids they cannot afford can continue to breed like cockroaches? |
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Unfortunately, yes.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... Ever see rush hour in a big city? "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ?? I drive a Jeep, and I have three other cars. I'm willing to pay more or pick smaller cars if that's what it takes. I don't often agree with Bushco, and even though he's just pandering, I agree that America is addicted to oil produced by countries who are hostile to us. We should let them eat their oil by reducing our dependency. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... The point is not to "collapse" the economy. The point is to force people to change their driving and car purchase habits. That would do it, according to economists. Do you ride a bicycle everywhere? Do you own a car? Why are liberals so selfish? SV |
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Did you consider walking?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katy" wrote in message ... Scotty wrote: Ever see rush hour in a big city? "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ?? I drive a Jeep, and I have three other cars. I'm willing to pay more or pick smaller cars if that's what it takes. I don't often agree with Bushco, and even though he's just pandering, I agree that America is addicted to oil produced by countries who are hostile to us. We should let them eat their oil by reducing our dependency. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... The point is not to "collapse" the economy. The point is to force people to change their driving and car purchase habits. That would do it, according to economists. Do you ride a bicycle everywhere? Do you own a car? Why are liberals so selfish? SV My youngest son lives south of Atlanta...I ahve never seen traffic like that, even in Los Angeles....took us 45 minutes to get across a street to go to Wally World for groceries.. |
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I don't care what China buys, but actually the Arabs would care, since we
would be setting the precedent for non-polluting transport and China would likely follow our lead. We can even sell them the technology. The point is that we won't be dependent upon Arab states. Lack of air/water/ground pollution would be a second benefit. Even China and India don't want pollution. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message link.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ?? I drive a Jeep, and I have three other cars. I'm willing to pay more or pick smaller cars if that's what it takes. I don't often agree with Bushco, and even though he's just pandering, I agree that America is addicted to oil produced by countries who are hostile to us. We should let them eat their oil by reducing our dependency. What we don't buy, China will. The Arabs couldn't care less if we all buy solar-powered electric cars. Max |
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Capt. JG wrote:
I don't care what China buys, but actually the Arabs would care, since we would be setting the precedent for non-polluting transport and China would likely follow our lead. We can even sell them the technology. The point is that we won't be dependent upon Arab states. Lack of air/water/ground pollution would be a second benefit. Even China and India don't want pollution. You're talking about a country with some of the filthiest rivers in the world.... |
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That's right. And, even the people in the gov't there are concerned about it
or will be concerned about it. No one wants to live in a polluted environment. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katy" wrote in message ... Capt. JG wrote: I don't care what China buys, but actually the Arabs would care, since we would be setting the precedent for non-polluting transport and China would likely follow our lead. We can even sell them the technology. The point is that we won't be dependent upon Arab states. Lack of air/water/ground pollution would be a second benefit. Even China and India don't want pollution. You're talking about a country with some of the filthiest rivers in the world.... |
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TFB
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... That's a pretty good start... except that I use planes fairly frequently. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... Well, Jon. I don't fly, so I think all airplanes should be grounded, world wide.. I don't ride on busses, therefore all busses should be parked, permanently. Neither do I use the train, ditto. I loathe powerboats, we should sink every one. People who ride motorcycles should get free gas. Those using wood stoves should get major tax breaks. Trucks , and motorcycles, should be the only vehicles allowed on Interstate roads. All elevators should be welded closed and people forced to use the stairs. I have more, but that's a start. SBV "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Nothing to do with trucks, freight, etc. They need to travel. The main problem is that regular consumers need to be weaned off of large, gas guzzling cars and Stupid Utility Vehicles. If gas prices rose to north of $5/gal, the car companies would be forced to make cars more efficient because no one would buy the gas pigs. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2006, 10:15am From: lid (Capt. JG) The point is not to "collapse" the economy. The point is to force people to change their driving and car purchase habits. Jon, How about 18 Wheelers, Air Freight & air mail, Military air patrols, Harbor patrols, border patrols? How about tripling Bridge fares? Parking fares? School busing? Let's get the Cops back on there feet? Trolley? How about going to Oars for Auxiliary Power, Outlaw Power Boating. Home Heating with wood or coal or even electric. We have a lot of ways to change our society to do without oil. I'm almost 80 years old and don't give a damn:^) It up to you youn'uns. CHANGE!!!! http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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"Mys Terry" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:26:06 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Hmmm... not a problem here. Perhaps he's attempting to circumvent filtering again. I have never attempted to do that, and you know it, Gayboy. I do remember a period, however, when you kept switching identities from JG to Jon Ganz to Jonathan Gans, Capt JG, and so forth for At least they're all his name. that exact purpose. I occasionally switch my nic, but I don't use more than one at a time. You just use other peoples' names, and more pathetically, their wife's name. Scotty is just as incompetent with computers aas he is with everything else. At least I know how to use a spell checker. I haven't changed anything about how I post in quite some time. Yulp, same old boring crap. S |
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"Mys Terry" wrote in message ... Tax babies... Heavily. A sound idea, but the trouble is the poor won't be able to afford the tax. Guess who'll be picking up the tab? Hint: same folks who are doing it now. Max |
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"Scotty" wrote in message ... "Vito" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote I think large cities should be proactive on this issue and legislate that unless there is a specific reason for driving a pick up truck or SUV in the city, less than 3 occupants, etc, that those vehicles be disallowed (passing through on the xway not counting). I agree 200%. IMO NO private autos should be allowed inside of major cities. Moreover, anyone born in a major city, or who has live in one continiously for more than two years, should never be allowed to leave, except to go to another large city via public transportation such as rail. Such cities should be wholly self supporting with no public funds from outside each city and each should dispose of its own waste within city limits (no outside dumping). Wouldn't it be easier to just nuke all the big cities? Brilliant! Let's start with Paris, Berlin, and Moscow. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... My youngest son lives south of Atlanta...I ahve never seen traffic like that, even in Los Angeles....took us 45 minutes to get across a street to go to Wally World for groceries.. Did you consider walking? If a car can't get across traffic, how is a pedestrian supposed to do it? Max |
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And, he (or she) is a liar who has a lot of unresolved issues.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "Mys Terry" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:26:06 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: Hmmm... not a problem here. Perhaps he's attempting to circumvent filtering again. I have never attempted to do that, and you know it, Gayboy. I do remember a period, however, when you kept switching identities from JG to Jon Ganz to Jonathan Gans, Capt JG, and so forth for At least they're all his name. that exact purpose. I occasionally switch my nic, but I don't use more than one at a time. You just use other peoples' names, and more pathetically, their wife's name. Scotty is just as incompetent with computers aas he is with everything else. At least I know how to use a spell checker. I haven't changed anything about how I post in quite some time. Yulp, same old boring crap. S |
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TFB?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... TFB "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... That's a pretty good start... except that I use planes fairly frequently. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... Well, Jon. I don't fly, so I think all airplanes should be grounded, world wide.. I don't ride on busses, therefore all busses should be parked, permanently. Neither do I use the train, ditto. I loathe powerboats, we should sink every one. People who ride motorcycles should get free gas. Those using wood stoves should get major tax breaks. Trucks , and motorcycles, should be the only vehicles allowed on Interstate roads. All elevators should be welded closed and people forced to use the stairs. I have more, but that's a start. SBV "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Nothing to do with trucks, freight, etc. They need to travel. The main problem is that regular consumers need to be weaned off of large, gas guzzling cars and Stupid Utility Vehicles. If gas prices rose to north of $5/gal, the car companies would be forced to make cars more efficient because no one would buy the gas pigs. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2006, 10:15am From: lid (Capt. JG) The point is not to "collapse" the economy. The point is to force people to change their driving and car purchase habits. Jon, How about 18 Wheelers, Air Freight & air mail, Military air patrols, Harbor patrols, border patrols? How about tripling Bridge fares? Parking fares? School busing? Let's get the Cops back on there feet? Trolley? How about going to Oars for Auxiliary Power, Outlaw Power Boating. Home Heating with wood or coal or even electric. We have a lot of ways to change our society to do without oil. I'm almost 80 years old and don't give a damn:^) It up to you youn'uns. CHANGE!!!! http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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Thats right, you are still Robert E Brody posting as my wife Terry.
It's because you have such an ugly wife and want people to think better of you. Joe |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message link.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... ?? I drive a Jeep, and I have three other cars. I'm willing to pay more or pick smaller cars if that's what it takes. I don't often agree with Bushco, and even though he's just pandering, I agree that America is addicted to oil produced by countries who are hostile to us. We should let them eat their oil by reducing our dependency. What we don't buy, China will. The Arabs couldn't care less if we all buy solar-powered electric cars. I don't care what China buys, but actually the Arabs would care, since we would be setting the precedent for non-polluting transport and China would likely follow our lead. You mean like how they emulate us w/r/t human rights and the rights of female infants? We can even sell them the technology. Why bother? They'll steal it and produce it for half the cost and sell it to us. The point is that we won't be dependent upon Arab states. That's a laudable goal. Lack of air/water/ground pollution would be a second benefit. Reduction, perhaps, but never a "lack." Even China and India don't want pollution. No one does, but no one, including us, really makes any effort to curtail it. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... That's right. And, even the people in the gov't there are concerned about it or will be concerned about it. No one wants to live in a polluted environment. Bubbles does. Why else would he choose to live in NYC? Max |
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Not only is Robert Brody a liar with issues, he a coward and a thief.
Joe |
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Maxprop wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message ... "Vito" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote I think large cities should be proactive on this issue and legislate that unless there is a specific reason for driving a pick up truck or SUV in the city, less than 3 occupants, etc, that those vehicles be disallowed (passing through on the xway not counting). I agree 200%. IMO NO private autos should be allowed inside of major cities. Moreover, anyone born in a major city, or who has live in one continiously for more than two years, should never be allowed to leave, except to go to another large city via public transportation such as rail. Such cities should be wholly self supporting with no public funds from outside each city and each should dispose of its own waste within city limits (no outside dumping). Wouldn't it be easier to just nuke all the big cities? Brilliant! Let's start with Paris, Berlin, and Moscow. Max Nah...let's start with Detroit! |
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Maxprop wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message ... My youngest son lives south of Atlanta...I ahve never seen traffic like that, even in Los Angeles....took us 45 minutes to get across a street to go to Wally World for groceries.. Did you consider walking? If a car can't get across traffic, how is a pedestrian supposed to do it? Max There was no way a pedestrian could have crossed....especially the trip back with $220 worth of groceries...WallyWorld gets offended if you steal their grocery carts.... |
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