"Ringmaster" wrote in message
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.... which makes it longer than an 18" barrelled shotgun. Good
choice.

How many times do I need to type "it's illegal" to own a sawed off
shotgun. At least in my state.


Yep, just what you need for home defence, optics.....

I'm not talking 9x scopes here. Red dot or holigraphic optics are
perfect for defense, home or otherwise, since you shoot with both eyes
open. Have you seen those. The military uses them every day. Your
trying to come off as an expert here but you continue to look
uneducated on the topic.


If you take time to aim you with your eyes through an eyepiece you may
become dead, if you had time to aim with your eyes then it may not have been
self defense.

http://www.pointshooting.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_shooting

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/087...lance&n=283155


You are to firearms as Bobsprit is to sailing.

Please, please get some real world experience and training.

Shoot at least 5,000 rounds in varying conditions.

Join a paintball team at least.

"Mys Terry" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:16:09 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
roups.com...
If he wears glasses he could very well be seeing a rainbow effect. The
DLP
does give a slight effect, not usually noticeable by the eye and
eyeglasses
can compound the problem.


I wear glasses, and so do many of my friends. No one has seen any
rainbow effects. The newer projectors have pretty much dialed it out. I
do remember seeing it 3 years ago though. Sloco is not aware of how
dated he is.
I urge anyone about to waste money on a convention set to try one of
these projectors. Many of my friends are buying them after seeing mine.
It's just amazing, especially the HD channels. When you consider that
the thing isn't even true HD, the image quality seems even more
impressive. I'll trade up the moment In Focus releases a HD version as
good as this.

RB
35s5
NY

If you have the room, the DLP projectors are the way to go.

Amen!


If you have the room, IMAX is the way to go.


Imax does film only.

If you want it all, go to Odorama:

http://www.kulture-void.com/motion/s...polyester.html

"Mys Terry" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:36:37 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Mys Terry" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:16:09 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
egroups.com...
If he wears glasses he could very well be seeing a rainbow effect. The
DLP
does give a slight effect, not usually noticeable by the eye and
eyeglasses
can compound the problem.


I wear glasses, and so do many of my friends. No one has seen any
rainbow effects. The newer projectors have pretty much dialed it out.
I
do remember seeing it 3 years ago though. Sloco is not aware of how
dated he is.
I urge anyone about to waste money on a convention set to try one of
these projectors. Many of my friends are buying them after seeing
mine.
It's just amazing, especially the HD channels. When you consider that
the thing isn't even true HD, the image quality seems even more
impressive. I'll trade up the moment In Focus releases a HD version as
good as this.

RB
35s5
NY

If you have the room, the DLP projectors are the way to go.

Amen!


If you have the room, IMAX is the way to go.


Imax does film only.


It's all you need.

Will Wendy Whoppers come flying out of the screen?

In article , Bob Crantz
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Shrug. My memory is out about the chambers & pressures, but I'm right
about the case sizes. I've reloaded *heaps* of boxer primed ex military
brass, used to buy it for peanuts at gun shows, fired it
interchangeably with commercial brass in both a Rem 700 Varmint and a
Ruger Mini-14. However, it's quite safe to fire 223 Rem ammo in a
military 5.56 NATO chamber. Ruger Mini-14's have been chambered for
both and I used to use one regularly with ex mil 5.56 NATO ammo without
any noticeable ill effects. Maybe because the Rem 700 was a high
quality rifle not a cheap POS.

http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html has some interesting comments.

The most likely effect of an over pressure round is a backed out primer
and a possibly binding action, not a rifle going 'kaboom and messing up
your face'. Not desirable, but not the end of the world either. Ask any
serious handloader who's worked up 'hot' loads a bit at a time.

Still, you learn something new every day, hey? No need to thank me for
expanding your knowledge base. If I get bored I'll dig out my reloading
manuals and compare bullet weights & velocities. I assume you do
understand the TANSTAAFL concept insofar as it's pretty hard to get
higher MV with the same bullet weight and less chamber pressure. Of
course that depends somewhat on the powder you've used, but frankly,
I'm not that interested these days and if all you want to do is
endanger your neighbours, you don't need to reload your own ammo.

PDW

The military cases are thicker than commercial and the primer is swaged.

Yep. I used to use a primer pocket reamer to remove the crimp after
punching out the primer.

The
military case holds a little less powder so the CUP (copper units of
pressure) is higher with a commercial load in a mil case. I've separated
cases with occurs just above the base. It can be a crack to complete
separation. I've done it in military semi autos and bolt action rifles.

Never had this happen with 5.56, have seen it happen with .243 reloads.
I put it down to having my full length sizing die set too fine and
moving the case shoulder back a bit.

A
modern firearm is designed to blow the separation away from the face. The
gun does not blow up. You'll notice the headstamp flattened out and the
primer pocket flattened. With rifle rounds, you can't double charge the load
as in pistols so the chances of ever loading something that can burst a
receiver is almost non existent.

IIRC I was using a compressed load of WW 748 - *no* chance of a double
load at all.

OTOH using Unique in 44 Mag cases it was certainly possible. Never
happened to me tho.

PDW

In article .com,
Ringmaster wrote:

.... which makes it longer than an 18" barrelled shotgun. Good
choice.

How many times do I need to type "it's illegal" to own a sawed off
shotgun. At least in my state.

I dunno. Is it a mantra you chant? Anyway, while no doubt you're
incorrect, keep chanting.

Try a Google search on 'shotgun minimum legal barrel length USA' and
you'll find that the min legal length for a shotgun is 18", as I stated
above. Nowhere did I mention anything about a sawed off shotgun, and
either you know it and are trying to obfuscate, or you actually don't
know that an 18" barrelled gun is legal. So you've learnt something new
- again.

FWIW, in fact it is NOT illegal to own a sawed off shotgun, *unless*
you reduce the bbl length to less than 18". So you're wrong when you
make general statements, too.


Yep, just what you need for home defence, optics.....

I'm not talking 9x scopes here. Red dot or holigraphic optics are
perfect for defense, home or otherwise, since you shoot with both eyes
open. Have you seen those.

I've seen them, used them. A laser dot sight isn't generally referred
to as an optical sight. They have pluses & minuses but I don't think
one would be a bad thing to have on a gun used at 'point & shoot'
ranges, personally.

The military uses them every day.

Yeah and they *train* with them regularly too. How much range time are
you going to put in doing laser dot 'point & shoot'?

Your
trying to come off as an expert here but you continue to look
uneducated on the topic.

OK, fine. You've demonstrated the same level of knowledge of guns as
Bobsprit does about router bits. I'm happy to ignore you.

PDW

In article , Bob Crantz
wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article .com,
Ringmaster wrote:

My first plan would also be to get out of town. But remember I said a
SHTF condition. Shotgun would be to unwieldy inside of a house. Cut
the barrel off and that's a problem with the law. AR15 packs plenty of
punch if you are using 65 or 75 gr ammo. Normal is 45 or 55 gr. Also
most AR15s shoot 5.56 which is harder hitting than 223. There's enough
dead Iraqs to prove the AR is a good enough weapon.

Do everyone a favour. DO NOT own a gun until you learn something (more)
about them.

1. Using a rifle inside a house is plain stupid. A short barrelled
shotgun is far more useful.

2. Using heavy FMJ bullets is also stupid. Use hollowpoints or soft
nose rounds. The object is to transfer the kinetic energy into the
target, not the wall, next house, etc etc.

3. There is NO DIFFERENCE between 5.56 NATO and .223 except the labels
on the boxes. Go look up the SAAMI ammo spec if you don't believe me.

I could dig out my reloading manuals and quote loads, bullet weights
etc but frankly, I don't give a damn. I do thank my situation tho,
which is not having you for a next door neighbour.

PDW

Don't forget bullet stability as a function twist rate and bullet weight for
the 5.56.

Yeah but not real relevant at sub-50m ranges AFAIK. And Vito's right,
if you start popping bad guys further away than that, it's going to be
real difficult explaining it to the cops as self defence.

PDW

In article . com,
Ringmaster wrote:

That Winchester warning only applies to heavier bullets because the
ogive is
blunter and the bullet is longer.

That's only the Winchester statement. They are not the only ones who
speak on the topic. Read the SAAMI website. Anybody that tells you
there is no difference between a 223 and a 5.56 doesn't know what they
are talking about.

External case dimensions are interchangeable.

Once again ...... SAAMI states that it is an unsafe
practice to shoot 5.56 in a gun that is only designes to shoot 223.
They are the experts.

Right, fer sure, uh huh, all them reloaders and reloading manuals speak
from pure ignorance, uh huh, ok........

How many rounds you fired thru that new toy of yours yet?

You're missing a couple points. First, IIRC your toy is chambered for
5.56, so firing 223 Rem is perfectly safe. Second, IIRC 5.56 NATO mil
spec ammo is exclusively FMJ to comply with the international
protocols. On that one I could be wrong, but all the specific 5.56 ammo
I've ever seen has been FMJ.

Flogged this one to death. You're clutching at one poor straw to avoid
looking like a complete ignoramus, whereas I'm happy to concede that
SAAMI recommend not firing 5.56 NATO in a 223 Rem chamber. Many do,
have & will, tho, and I doubt you can find a single example of a rifle
blowing up as a consequence. Frankly I don't care enough to x-post this
to rec.guns and ask, but be my guest.......

Meanwhile, go learn how to shoot your new toy and more importantly,
when *not* to shoot it. Everyone will be safer and happier.

PDW

"Ringmaster" wrote in message
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Question: do you find that such digital broadcasts have weird
sound
quality? My background music is so loud that occasionally the dialog
is
hard to hear. I love the HD, but the sound is unacceptable. All three
TVs
have the same sound problems: a rear-projection, and two LCDs, all
HD.

I have never noticed that. Since most HD programing includes a Dolby
Digital 5.1 soundtrack I usually do the sound through a home theater
system. I have not experienced the phenom you mentioned thru the home
theater or the TVs speakers when not using the home theater.

I believe you've hit on my problem. I don't have the Dolby 5.1, so I'm
betting I'm getting everything compressed into two channels. Thanx.

Max

"Ringmaster" wrote in message
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How many times do I need to type "it's illegal" to own a sawed off
shotgun. At least in my state.

Sawed-off? Nothing sawed-off about a shotgun with a federally-legal 18"
barrel.

Max

I've seen them, used them. A laser dot sight isn't generally
referred
to as an optical sight. They have pluses & minuses but I don't think
one would be a bad thing to have on a gun used at 'point & shoot'
ranges, personally.

LOL..................... Dude............. Nobody is talking laser dot
sights. A red dot sight or a holigraphic sight are not laser sights
and are most certainly considered optics. Do you even know what a red
dot sight is? Once again you look like you are out of your area of
knowledge.