There are 46 examples of my boat. And my friend's Panda 34 is one of 5

built. THAT is unique. I'll bet there aren't many more than 200 Macs
out
there.


Keep trying, Maxi....but the truth is that the 35s5, 32s5 and 35s7
don't look like other sailboats. They have unique cabin trunks, unique
ports (perhaps even more so on the 35s7) and unusual stern sections.
Famous designer Philip Starck designed the interiors and they are also
like no other. I've had many compliment in the last few days while
getting her ready. One sharp sailor noted her looks as something
between a Swan 36 (The Baby Swan) and a Saga 43. Every sailor here
comments on how different the 35s5 looks and it was also noted in
reviews since her introduction. Newer hulls are more conventional.
That's not to say that everyone likes the looks of the 35s5. That would
make her dull...like a Catalina 28 or a Cape Dory 30 or a Express
30....boats that just followed very established design.
While there may be only 46 of your boat there are a TON of boats that
look like your boat. She follows every conventional line of her era for
that type of boat, while the Beneteau does not.
"Unique" is not in the eye of the beholder. There are too (thousand
upon thousands) many boats that simply look a lot like yours and very
few that look like mine. Add to that the fact that Beneteau built the
35s5 well above current standards...she's quite a package.
Frankly, I like the looks of your boat. It has classic sweet lines that
are timeless. But the lines are hardly unique or daring.


RB
35s5
NY

Apparently, unique is another way of saying UGLY.

On 2006-04-14 06:34:01 -0400, "Capt. Rob" said:

There are 46 examples of my boat. And my friend's Panda 34 is one of 5

built. THAT is unique. I'll bet there aren't many more than 200 Macs
out
there.


Keep trying, Maxi....but the truth is that the 35s5, 32s5 and 35s7
don't look like other sailboats. They have unique cabin trunks, unique
ports (perhaps even more so on the 35s7) and unusual stern sections.
Famous designer Philip Starck designed the interiors and they are also
like no other. I've had many compliment in the last few days while
getting her ready. One sharp sailor noted her looks as something
between a Swan 36 (The Baby Swan) and a Saga 43. Every sailor here
comments on how different the 35s5 looks and it was also noted in
reviews since her introduction. Newer hulls are more conventional.
That's not to say that everyone likes the looks of the 35s5. That would
make her dull...like a Catalina 28 or a Cape Dory 30 or a Express
30....boats that just followed very established design.
While there may be only 46 of your boat there are a TON of boats that
look like your boat. She follows every conventional line of her era for
that type of boat, while the Beneteau does not.
"Unique" is not in the eye of the beholder. There are too (thousand
upon thousands) many boats that simply look a lot like yours and very
few that look like mine. Add to that the fact that Beneteau built the
35s5 well above current standards...she's quite a package.
Frankly, I like the looks of your boat. It has classic sweet lines that
are timeless. But the lines are hardly unique or daring.


RB
35s5
NY

"dog" wrote in message
news:2006041410300316807-dog@nomailcom...
Apparently, unique is another way of saying UGLY.

Bob's boat isn't ugly, but it really isn't unique either. Take the average
landlubber, walk him down a dock with a bunch of Beneteaus and Jenneaus in
the slips, including a 35s5, and then ask him to tell you which boat is
"unique." I'm betting he'd have a rough time with that request.

"They all look the same to moi," he would say, after walking the dock up and
down a few times.

Now repeat the same test with a season sailor. His response would not be
dissimilar. Plastic boats from France have the distinction of all looking
pretty much alike.

Now put a single Panda 34 or a CCA-style boat in with all the Beneteaus and
ask the same two individuals the same question. Doubtlessly you'll get a
quick and definitive response from both.

Max

Bob's boat isn't ugly, but it really isn't unique either. Take the
average
landlubber, walk him down a dock with a bunch of Beneteaus and Jenneaus
in
the slips, including a 35s5, and then ask him to tell you which boat is

"unique." I'm betting he'd have a rough time with that request.


I have a plenty of non-sailing friends and the 35s5 has won them over
hugely as compared to the more conventional C&C 32...and this on looks
alone. There are a ton of boats that looked like my C&C. My
ex-girlfriend saw the 35s5 for the first time last month (She's owned a
Catalina 27, J24 and now a late model Catalina 30) and was utterly
wowed by the 35s5. She wants to buy one!


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Bob's boat isn't ugly, but it really isn't unique either. Take the
average
landlubber, walk him down a dock with a bunch of Beneteaus and Jenneaus
in
the slips, including a 35s5, and then ask him to tell you which boat is

"unique." I'm betting he'd have a rough time with that request.


I have a plenty of non-sailing friends and the 35s5 has won them over
hugely as compared to the more conventional C&C 32...and this on looks
alone. There are a ton of boats that looked like my C&C. My
ex-girlfriend saw the 35s5 for the first time last month (She's owned a
Catalina 27, J24 and now a late model Catalina 30) and was utterly
wowed by the 35s5. She wants to buy one!

Maybe you should sell her yours. Instant profit?

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
I have a plenty of non-sailing friends and the 35s5 has won them over
hugely as compared to the more conventional C&C 32...and this on looks
alone.

LOL..... Oh Puleeeze Bobsprit...... at least attempt a modicum of truth in
your fabrications!

There are a ton of boats that looked like my C&C.

Like the 35s5??? Bleach Bottle Boats all look alike!!

Shiny white plastic fin keelers lined up in a row! It's a wonder you don't
take the wrong boat out every so often by mistake and wonder why the
performance curve has taken such a twist.... then again that might be
difficult under power Eh!???

CM-

"Capt.Mooron" wrote
Like the 35s5??? Bleach Bottle Boats all look alike!!

Like the mall parking lot full of silver SUVs.

SBV

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
There are 46 examples of my boat. And my friend's Panda 34 is one of 5

built. THAT is unique. I'll bet there aren't many more than 200 Macs
out
there.


Keep trying, Maxi....but the truth is that the 35s5, 32s5 and 35s7
don't look like other sailboats.

And for that the owners of those other sailboats are eternally grateful.

They have unique cabin trunks, unique
ports (perhaps even more so on the 35s7) and unusual stern sections.

And the biggest damn swim platform this side of a 72' Hatteras.

Famous designer Philip Starck

Who?

designed the interiors and they are also
like no other.

Once again the owners of other boats genuflect in praise of their boats'
designers.

I've had many compliment in the last few days while
getting her ready. One sharp sailor noted her looks as something
between a Swan 36 (The Baby Swan) and a Saga 43.

Lemme guess--that "sharp sailor" was Blind Mellow Jelly or one of his
brothers?

Every sailor here
comments on how different the 35s5 looks

Uh huh.

and it was also noted in
reviews since her introduction. Newer hulls are more conventional.

Conventional = attractive.

That's not to say that everyone likes the looks of the 35s5.

That's not to say *anyone* likes the looks of the 35s5 either.

That would
make her dull...like a Catalina 28 or a Cape Dory 30 or a Express
30....boats that just followed very established design.

Very established design = attractive.

While there may be only 46 of your boat there are a TON of boats that
look like your boat.

There may have been a ton, but not anymore. Most were wood and rotted into
oblivion.

She follows every conventional line of her era for
that type of boat, while the Beneteau does not.

Beneteau = Jenneau = DuFour = Clorox bleach bottle.

"Unique" is not in the eye of the beholder. There are too (thousand
upon thousands) many boats that simply look a lot like yours and very
few that look like mine.

God bless the designers who demonstrated the wisdom to accomplish that.

Add to that the fact that Beneteau built the
35s5 well above current standards...she's quite a package.

Indeed. Quite a bit like a United Parcel Service cardboard box with spars.

Frankly, I like the looks of your boat. It has classic sweet lines that
are timeless. But the lines are hardly unique or daring.

I'm yanking your chain, Bob. I've told you I like your boat, and I do.
They are fast, well-built, and I like the Starck interiors, too.

Now remove the hook from your gill . . er, mouth and smile.

Max

Keep trying, Maxi....but the truth is that the 35s5, 32s5 and 35s7
don't look like other sailboats.

And for that the owners of those other sailboats are eternally
grateful.


Sorry, Maxi, you already wrote that you liked the looks of the 35s5...a
tad late to troll otherwise. Of course I know you're yanking my
chain....what else do we do here?

Very established design = attractive.

Actually I like the CD 30 quite a bit. I'm brokering one right now. The
Catalina 28 doens't look like anything to me. It's the very definition
of a me-too boat. As for the Express 30, I mean no insult to Sloco, but
that thing's got awful lines. It's one of the few boats that still
looks bad under sail.

There may have been a ton, but not anymore. Most were wood and rotted into
oblivion.

I'm on the LIS and there are a lot of those boats with those lines
here; enough that they sort of blend into eachother and you can get
confused as to which is which. That's not to say that they aren't
pretty boats. They are. But if you want a boat that looks different and
sails well....look to a Beneteau 35s5, Swan 36 or even a Freedom 35
with it's cool rig. In you want modern sailing capability mixed with
more classic lines...then an Alerion 28 or 37/38 (either version).



RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

I'm on the LIS and there are a lot of those boats with those lines
here; enough that they sort of blend into eachother and you can get
confused as to which is which.

Boats weren't actually built to the CCA rule back then. Rather designers
built boats that followed the conventional design wisdom of the times, and
the rule was devised to avoid penalizing such "cruising" boats. So, yes,
boats from that era did tend to resemble each other: active sheer lines,
low freeboard, narrow beams, curved overhanging bow, bustle in the rear,
etc. But at least around here they are absolutely unique. We have tons of
Beneteaus, Catalinas, Hunters, O'Days, Pearsons, etc. lining our docks, and
a CCA-period boat certainly looks unique by comparison. YMMV out there on
the Right Coast, where more of such boats persist.

That's not to say that they aren't
pretty boats. They are. But if you want a boat that looks different and
sails well....look to a Beneteau 35s5, Swan 36 or even a Freedom 35
with it's cool rig. In you want modern sailing capability mixed with
more classic lines...then an Alerion 28 or 37/38 (either version).

I agree that the Alerions look different--attractive--but disagree with the
25s5, Swan 36, or the Freedom 35. Yeah, they aren't quite like the other
boats of the same age, but they are close enough to be indistinguishable
unless the observer's eye is well-versed in boat models and brands. We saw
a 36 Swan in the BVI some years ago. It was moored two boats from us, and I
thought it was attractive, but couldn't immediately name it. Others on our
boat came up with wrong names, and I finally jumped into the dink and
motored over to see what it was. That window over the top of the coach roof
gave it away as I got closer. If it weren't for that, I'm not sure I could
have identified it. And I think Freedoms look a lot like Catalinas, etc.
Your boat is more distinctive than either of those two examples.

Max