Maxprop wrote:
Vietnam was having a rather nice little war when we became involved and
took over for the French at the behest of NATO.

Wow, you're really making a strong statement here.

And I thought Vito was the foremost practitioner of willful
ignorance on this subject!

Would you also say that the National Guard fired on students
at Kent State in self defense?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Maxprop wrote:
Vietnam was having a rather nice little war when we
became involved and
took over for the French at the behest of NATO.

Wow, you're really making a strong statement here.

And I thought Vito was the foremost practitioner of
willful
ignorance on this subject!

Would you also say that the National Guard fired on
students
at Kent State in self defense?

Yes they did, those college kids had wine bottles.

SV

Would you also say that the National Guard fired on
students
at Kent State in self defense?


Scotty wrote:
Yes they did, those college kids had wine bottles.


And they weren't sharing?

DSK

Maybe it was lousy wine.

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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Would you also say that the National Guard fired on
students
at Kent State in self defense?


Scotty wrote:
Yes they did, those college kids had wine bottles.


And they weren't sharing?

DSK

In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:1Q%Lf.5321$M52.3777@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

This discussion is so amusing as to be comical. Do you honestly
believe
a tiny broken wine bottle would have the same impact as an open Swiss
Army knife?

Damn Rights it would..... I know, I've actually been on the receiving
end of a fight where my opponent resorted to a broken bottle.

Now you are really getting amusing, Mooron. Do you honestly expect me to
believe that you would be intimidated by someone wielding a broken 2oz.
airline booze bottle?

Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Indeed, Max. You are, indeed, wrong and everyone here knows it. I
wasn't referring to those little 2 oz spirits bottles. I guess you
don't drink wine and/or travel on crappy airlines.

No, I don't drink the bilgewater wine served on airplanes. I do see the
little wine bottles, however, and they aren't much bigger than the 2oz.
liquour bottles--maybe 6 oz. max. Mooron says he sees half liter bottles on
planes. I don't believe I've ever seen half liter bottles--half bottles
(375 ml.) yes, but half liter? Never heard of 'em. And I've never seen
half bottles on a plane. Only the peewee ones.

So, your experience is limited. We knew that.

Keep digging a deeper hole. Oz is an ex-cop and I believe Mooron WRT
fighting experience far more than I believe you.

And why is that? Because he's supportive of your argument? Because he's
Canadian, not American? Your rationale for assessing credibility
demonstrates a lack of knowledge and more than a bit of prejudice, methinks.
To your credit, I've had very little fighting experience--mostly parking lot
brawls after drinking too much in college. But I have had fairly extensive
training that neither you nor he knows anything about (at least prior to my
last post to him in this thread). Your decree that you believe him more
than me is not borne of knowledge, rather of prejudice.

You can call it that, if you wish. Given that few of us have ever met
in RL, all we really go on is what we can read here combined with our
personal life experiences.

I've been working in the marine area, on & off, most of my life.
Fishermen, heavy cargo ships, oceanographic research vessels. As a tech
type, I am with but not really part of the general crew, but I drink
with them before we sail & after we get into port. I've seen a lot of
brawls in various places. I've seen sailors who routinely carry knives
and fight for fun back off from someone with a broken bottle. Then I
read how you think a broken bottle isn't as dangerous as a box knife.
Of course I discount what you say.

As for me, I have no
'hands-on' experience, but I know what you can fashion from a broken
bottle, and unlike a box cutter, it's a weapon with both a cutting edge
*and* stabbing ability sufficient to reach major organs.

You should have quit with the "I have no hands-on experience." Your last
statement is redundant.

Actually, it's not. If you want to argue about how to make weapons, I
have a pretty good knowledge base. What do you know? I don't mean from
reading a book, what can you, personally, *make*?


I just snipped the rest - irrelevant. You're just flailing about in a
****-poor attempt to avoid admitting the whole airline 'security' caper
is smoke & mirrors, incapable of achieving its stated purpose.

No, I admitted it may be just that. I also acknowledge that it *may* be
effective and working as intended. The evidence sides with the latter, but
no one really knows for sure. Certainly you, Mooron, and Ozzy don't. Until
another plane is hijacked, it's anyone's guess. You, however, make blanket
statements with no supporting evidence whatsoever. Your antipathy toward
the US is your only basis for making such statements, and that shows your
ignorance.

You're projecting, Max. I feel the exact same way about the exact same
stupid rules in Australia. I suppose you think that makes me
antipathetic to Australia, too.

Clue time Max - a stupid law is a stupid law regardless of location.
People like you who try to shift discussion to supposed personal
attributes merely demonstrate that you can't argue on the issues.

If another four planes had been hijacked subsequent to 9/11,
your opinion would bear some credibility. As it is, your opinion is just
that--an unsupported opinion.

Funny, you're agreeing with all the whackos like Oz who want to remove
guns from people. Rationale, there was a mass murder using firearms
here in Tasmania in 1996. Subsequent, following forced surrender of all
auto, semiauto and many other firearms plus compulsory licensing, there
have been no further massacres. Therefore the law is successful in
preventing massacres using firearms.

Unlike you, Max, I have an understanding of statistics and experimental
design.


All that was needed was secure doors between the pilot's compartment &
the pax space. Damn, that was real difficult to work out oh, about 30
years ago...........

I can't believe I'm reading this from a purportedly intelligent human. So
such a secure cockpit access door would stop a flight crew from acceding to
hijackers' demands if they were carrying a bomb? Are you implying that
hijackers would simply give up if they couldn't gain access to the cockpit.
(Oh ****, Achmed, the pilot won't let us in, and the door is locked. Let's
give the bomb and our guns to the flight attendants and maybe they'll let us
off with a slap on the wrist.") The key to preventing a repeat of 9/11 is
to prevent the hijacking in the first place.

Max, Max, Max. Do try to keep up. We are discussing the uselessness of
banning people with Swiss Army knives, knitting needles, nail files,
nail clippers and similar objects while permitting glass bottles et al.
We're not talking about guns & bombs.

Your desperation is showing, I'm afraid.

While I'm digging the hole you seem to think I am, you might notice the
self-imposed 20' deep well you're currently standing in, Pete.

Translation: Max is losing badly and desperately wants to slide onto a
new topic.

PDW

In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

OzOne wrote in message ...

Jesus Max, can you explain why there were no attacks on US soil before
WTC?
There was no HS then1?

I thought we covered this already. The WTC *was* attacked several years
prior 2001. And planes were hijacked periodically throughout the period
from the 1960s on.

We know, Max. We know. And guess what? We all knew it back in the
1960's. If the 9/11 terrorists hadn't been able to get into the
cockpits and take control of the planes, the most they'd have been able
to do is kill a few pax by cutting their throats. It was lack of
physical security of the cockpits that led to 9/11.

There have been no hijackings since. Can you explain
that?

Ah. I see you logic. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc, if I remember my
Latin.


Maybe they're just a little busy recruiting,
Maybe they're just bringing in tiny bits of dirty bombs in containers,
Heck, maybe they're brining in weapons grade uranium concealed INSIDE
the bodies of sacrificial couriers.....
Smoke and mirrors Max...if they want to get around it they will.

Maybe you are jousting at windmills. Maybe al Qaeda has been frustrated by
our security measures since 9/11.

You think so?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/31/illegal.immigration/

Lessee, how many people did the 9/11 attack? What percentage of illegal
immigrants since 9/11 is that?

Maybe they don't have the funding, or
can't control the funding, thanks to the watchdogs in every bank in every
country throughout the free world.

Personally I agree with you--they will accomplish something in the future.
But that's just an opinion, unsupported by evidence. And so is yours.

And mine. I think they should be hunted down and assassinated,
personally. I sincerely hope that's happening, that they're so busy
looking over their shoulders that their time for plotting aggressive
action is very limited.

PDW

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:05:53 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message
news

Jesus, I've had two acquaintances killed by broken bottles...nonewith
a knife!

I think I saw that on the news a while back--two drunks staggered out of a
bar and fell on their bottles, breaking them, stabbing them both in the
heart. Most unfortunate. And oh yeah--my name is Max, but you can call
me
Jesus if it suits ya.

Max


Ahhh Max,
Take your index finger and place it just beside your adams apple, feel
that beating under the skin?
That's the blood supply to your puny little brain, it's very very
vulnerable and once severed, almost impossible to repair before death
ensues.
If you'd care to look here
http://tinyurl.com/k92zf
you'll come across Bobby Brown....I surfed with him, and quite a few
of the guys mentioned here
http://tinyurl.com/gbxw5
He was stabbed in the throat with a broken beer glass and died quickly
on the floor of the Cronulla Hotel.

His death was a small part of the reason I became a copper.

It's sad, really, all that awful violence in Oz. If only surfers were
allowed to carry guns . . .

Max

OzOne wrote in message ...


Ummm, that would be the people you pay to tackle armed persons...you
know, trained persons, not some unarmed civilian.

Ah yes, cops wielding broken wine bottles.

Max

OzOne wrote in message news

Oh, and that bottle you grabbed off the drinks cart makes a really
good club....champagne bottles are excellent!

I'd have to have a Dom Perignon '54 at the very least. It certainly
wouldn't do to be seen clubbing someone to death with a Korbel.

Max

"katy" wrote in message
...


L.A. is a put. One of our kids lives in N. Hollywood. We wish he didn't.

Hollywood is a cesspool. How did they end up there?

Max