Some 7,500 ships with foreign flags make 51,000 calls on
U.S. ports each year. They carry the bulk of the
approximately 890 million tons of goods that come into the
country, including 7.8 million containers

7.8 MILLION !!!

http://cfrterrorism.org/security/ports_print.html

Scotty





OzOne wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:14:08 GMT, "Maxprop"

scribbled thusly:



Eaxactly my point.
Every non US citizen is subject to the most rigorous
scrutiny yet 95%
of containers are left untouched....homeland security
is a sham.

Let me play the devil's advocate here for a moment: So
we've established
that examining incoming containers is not feasible. For
that reason, is it
reasonable to simply ignore all other aspects of homeland
security that ARE
feasible, such as clearing individuals for entry?

Max

T's feasible....just look at the number of people employed
to check
baggage, people and crdentials at every airport in the US.
Thing is, putting that same number of people into checking
containers
has little political advantage because Joe Public won't
see the work
being done and be able to wrap himself in that warm fuzzy
security
blanket.

Ever thought that the level of personal inspection has
lulled most
passengers into a very false sense of security so they are
now not on
the lookout for stuff happening onboard?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting
you.

Awwww quit your whining...ya sound like a Yank.

Scotty


"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:VIuLf.2314$M52.1274@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Certainly, but the US sits on his nearby southern
border. Jakarta
doesn't. I enter Canada from two to five times per year,
and its
disappointing that the border constraints are in place,
but that won't
stop me. Petty bureaucracies exist in nearly every
place in the world,
and unless you choose to become a self-isolationist you
simply deal with
them and go about your business.

Seems to me you assume that because you find Canada worth
visiting
repeatitly... I should feel the same way about the USA. I
don't..... and
you shouldn't take that personally... get all insulted,
and claim I'm anti
American.


But this really has nothing to do with Moroon's
inconvenience or his
principles. He loves to grind the anti-US axe with
those of us here from
the US. So does Ozzy. It seems to be their cyber
recreational pleasure
of late. And we'd be remiss if we didn't call them on
it--hell, they'd
find no pleasure at all in a one-sided diatribe with no
opposition. So in
my own way I'm making it possible for you, Moroon and
Ozzy to enjoy your
time on ASA. You can thank me now or later.

Max.... if you consider getting fingerprinted merely an
inconvenience... we
just have to agree to disagree. I can supply security
documentation and
references... but this is not adequate to satisfy the US
Customs. If I view
their requirements as beyond that which I am willing to
provide.... how can
you state that as anti American? Does my personal decision
offend your
national pride? What makes you think I am short changing
myself because I
refuse to comply with a ridiculous request? I wouldn't
travel to any country
requiring that level of infringement on my privacy and
freedoms.

CM

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:18:20 -0500, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:

Some 7,500 ships with foreign flags make 51,000 calls on
U.S. ports each year. They carry the bulk of the
approximately 890 million tons of goods that come into
the
country, including 7.8 million containers

7.8 MILLION !!!

http://cfrterrorism.org/security/ports_print.html

Scotty

Yep, and they all get unloaded and reloaded any number of
times
without checks....scary eh.....

No. I sleep just fine...you?

On Sat. Feb. 18, 2006, 3:41pm (PST+19)
OzOne posted:

".......Flew in from that sewer called Los Angeles......"


and on Thu, Feb 23, 2006, 10:17am (PST + 19)
OzOne posted:

"..Unfortunately, you also have sewers like Los Angeles........"


Mr. Oz, I am respectfully asking if you would kindly explain what causes
you to describe Los Angeles in such terms? Granted, as every mega
metropolis, Los Angeles has it's ugly areas, and granted, Los Angeles
is not like our European capitals with gracious architecture and tree
lined boulevards. However..........

Just what areas of Los Angeles were you in? And perhaps you were
limited in time and did not have the time to see areas that would not
cause you to compare them to effluvia?

I really would appreciate your answer, as your reaction is not the
usual one that I hear from other visitors to Los Angeles.

Thanks.........a.a.t.

For thirty years I traveled every week in the US by air. Sometimes 3 cities
a week. I gave it up in 2004 because of 'Homeland Security." I no longer
fly because of the "security." I will not be treated in the degrading and
officious manner that is now imposed on flying passangers. With my
temperment, it would just be a matter of time before I decked one of those
officious *******s.




"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:VIuLf.2314$M52.1274@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Certainly, but the US sits on his nearby southern border. Jakarta
doesn't. I enter Canada from two to five times per year, and its
disappointing that the border constraints are in place, but that won't
stop me. Petty bureaucracies exist in nearly every place in the world,
and unless you choose to become a self-isolationist you simply deal with
them and go about your business.

Seems to me you assume that because you find Canada worth visiting
repeatitly... I should feel the same way about the USA. I don't..... and
you shouldn't take that personally... get all insulted, and claim I'm anti
American.


But this really has nothing to do with Moroon's inconvenience or his
principles. He loves to grind the anti-US axe with those of us here from
the US. So does Ozzy. It seems to be their cyber recreational pleasure
of late. And we'd be remiss if we didn't call them on it--hell, they'd
find no pleasure at all in a one-sided diatribe with no opposition. So
in my own way I'm making it possible for you, Moroon and Ozzy to enjoy
your time on ASA. You can thank me now or later.

Max.... if you consider getting fingerprinted merely an inconvenience...
we just have to agree to disagree. I can supply security documentation and
references... but this is not adequate to satisfy the US Customs. If I
view their requirements as beyond that which I am willing to provide....
how can you state that as anti American? Does my personal decision offend
your national pride? What makes you think I am short changing myself
because I refuse to comply with a ridiculous request? I wouldn't travel to
any country requiring that level of infringement on my privacy and
freedoms.

CM

OzOne wrote
Homeland security is just smoke, mirrors and inconvenience.

Not in a land where 3 generations have been taught that facts and truth don't
matter - it's what you FEEL that counts. If 5% makes them feel safe it's every
bit as good as 100%. If there's a terrorist attack blame it on Clinton's BJ.

"Maxprop" wrote
What line? HS doesn't claim to be smoke and mirrors. That's your take, not
theirs. And the evidence supports HS, not you. The US has been free of
terrorist attack since HS instituted its programs. HS may have absolutely
nothing to do with that, but you can't prove it doesn't. So your argument
is invalid.


Know why elephants are Grey? It's so they can hide in trees. You doubt? Ever
seen an elephant in a tree? Good camouflage eh?

OzOne wrote
Only because he was drunk.

That's not a prerequisite for shooting someone?

It is around here! Saturday nights we sit on the porch, get drunk, then shoot
at anything that moves. That's southern homeland security. Works as good as
anything else. We haven't had any terrorist attacks since we began doing that
right after the war of yankee aggression.

OzOne wrote
.... and your teeth are not pulled in the name of security.

Bite your tongue before you give them ideas like that.

"Maxprop" wrote
Let me play the devil's advocate here for a moment: So we've established
that examining incoming containers is not feasible. For that reason, is it
reasonable to simply ignore all other aspects of homeland security that ARE
feasible, such as clearing individuals for entry?

Let's continue the game. If I were a terrorist, with enough 'connections' to
have a WMD waiting for me in the US how hard would it be for me to spoof HS with
a phoney ID - not just a paper but with a false identity??