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What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?

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Joe's Boat Redcloud!

Ohh I'm so happy do I get asa points..Do I!

That was toooo easy.

SB
35s5
NY

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Joe's Boat Redcloud!

Ohh I'm so happy do I get asa points..Do I!

That was toooo easy.

SB
35s5
NY

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Good Lord that would be Joe's boat Redcloud.

I'm a cult member and envy his fine steel DeVries.
It's the type of boat I will never be able to afford or handle.

For sure it's the Redcloud

Hooo ahhhh

RB
35s5
NY

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Bob Crantz wrote:
What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?


I think for awhile that Islander 36's could have been considered
cult sailboats...

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In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?

Many (most?) of the plastic classics.



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Mac 26 . Don't laugh, they have a cult following.

Scotty

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Scotty wrote:
Mac 26 . Don't laugh, they have a cult following.

Scotty

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The O'Day Daysai;or has a very large following, too. And Rebels
have a cultish following at some smaller yacht clubs.

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Thanks Rob. Redcloud is indeed a nice boat worthy of your worship.

Joe
MSV RedCloud ~ Custom De Vries

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Scotty wrote:

Mac 26 . Don't laugh, they have a cult following.

Scotty



For obvious reasons.

Jim



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What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?

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Hobie 33
Olson 30
J24


35s5 bringing up the rear

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Scotty,

An awful lot of the Mac's have their followers. My 2-22 was also one.
However, I don't think any of them would even come close to the
"Dragons" or the "Lightings", the New England Catboat, Friendship
Sloops, Lake Champlain Yawls, SkipJacks to name a few. SF Pelican would
fall into that category (To keep Ganz happy) as well ! Many small boats
that were home built would fall into that group also like the El Toro,
Flying Dutchman etc. To many to mention!



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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Scotty,

An awful lot of the Mac's have their followers. My 2-22 was also one.
However, I don't think any of them would even come close to the
"Dragons" or the "Lightings", the New England Catboat, Friendship
Sloops, Lake Champlain Yawls, SkipJacks to name a few. SF Pelican would
fall into that category (To keep Ganz happy) as well ! Many small boats
that were home built would fall into that group also like the El Toro,
Flying Dutchman etc. To many to mention!

I think you nailed it on the head, Thom.

I agree especially with the El Toro buffs and the Friendship Sloop
aficionados. They're almost fanatical about their particular boats.

I'd also have to include the various scow sailors (especially Es and Cs).
Also the folks who love their Northern Michigan one designs, which are all
wood and lovingly preserved for racing. And let's not forget the Star
sailors, who love to hang off their boats in all sorts of arcane contortions
while hiking.

Max

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Thom Stewart wrote:
Scotty,

An awful lot of the Mac's have their followers. My 2-22 was also one.
However, I don't think any of them would even come close to the
"Dragons" or the "Lightings", the New England Catboat, Friendship
Sloops, Lake Champlain Yawls, SkipJacks to name a few. SF Pelican would
fall into that category (To keep Ganz happy) as well ! Many small boats
that were home built would fall into that group also like the El Toro,
Flying Dutchman etc. To many to mention!


Almost any racing class one-design is a "cult boat."

Some are more cult-y, some actually cross the line into occult.

It seems for some boats that the more impractical they are,
the more their owners are devoted to them... like some
women. I've owned a Cape Cod catboat, they are very
practical... more so with application of modern materials.
Does that mean they can't be a cult boat?

I've also owned a Lightning, a punisher of a boat.
Definitely cult material. Maybe I should get a Dragon next?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Jim Cate wrote:


Scotty wrote:

Mac 26 . Don't laugh, they have a cult following.

Scotty



For obvious reasons.

Jim



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You will notice he did not stick an "X" or and "M" behind the 26....

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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:47:57 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
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What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?



Thistles ( did I spell that right?) At least I lived close to a fleet
of them and most of the members acted like cult members.

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What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?




Frank Boettcher wrote:
Thistles ( did I spell that right?) At least I lived close to a fleet
of them and most of the members acted like cult members.

They are like cult members, and they have strange religious
beliefs too. I've had Thistle sailors actually complain to
me that 12 knots was too much wind for a good race!

DSK

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:47:57 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?



Thistles ( did I spell that right?) At least I lived close to a fleet
of them and most of the members acted like cult members.

Did they shave their heads and cut off their testicles?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(cult)

Amen!

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Scotty wrote:

Mac 26 . Don't laugh, they have a cult following.

Scotty



For obvious reasons.


Satan also has a cult following.

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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:36:09 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:47:57 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


Did they shave their heads and cut off their testicles?





No, just refused to acknowledge the existence of any other sailing
craft.

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Did they shave their heads and cut off their testicles?



Frank Boettcher wrote:
No, just refused to acknowledge the existence of any other sailing
craft.

Could be equivalent... if you think about how many Thistle
sailors are basically saying that sailboat design has not
advanced since 1948...

OTOH the Thistle is possibly *the* best light-air sailboat
ever designed, a performance characteristic that I hope to
never put to the test... again, I mean ;)

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
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I've also owned a Lightning, a punisher of a boat.

How so? I used to race them after years in Snipes and thought I'd died and
gone to Heaven, the boat was so comfortable and easy to sail by comparison.

Now the Thistle--there is a punisher.

Max

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:47:57 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?



Thistles ( did I spell that right?) At least I lived close to a fleet
of them and most of the members acted like cult members.

You obviously mistook sore butts and legs for cult behavior. g

Max

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What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?




Frank Boettcher wrote:
Thistles ( did I spell that right?) At least I lived close to a fleet
of them and most of the members acted like cult members.

They are like cult members, and they have strange religious beliefs too.
I've had Thistle sailors actually complain to me that 12 knots was too
much wind for a good race!

A friggin' pansy, he was. I've raced Thistles in over 20 kts. It wasn't
really fun and we didn't fly the chute, but it was doable. The sailor who
complained to you was obviously one who failed to keep his boat upright
while tacking or gybing. The Thistle has no deck, so it will ship 200
gallons of water on a careless tack. That essentially puts one out of the
race, despite having several Supermax Elvstrom bailers in the bilge to get
rid of that misbegotten water.

Max

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"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:36:09 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:47:57 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


Did they shave their heads and cut off their testicles?





No, just refused to acknowledge the existence of any other sailing
craft.

We campaigned a Thistle for four years, during the early 80s, and I never
encountered anyone with such an attitude. Thistle sailors tend to be
clannish, but they readily accept outsiders and visitors to their fleet
races. We were always looking for crew, but we never mentioned "rail tail"
before taking them aboard.

Max

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Did they shave their heads and cut off their testicles?



Frank Boettcher wrote:
No, just refused to acknowledge the existence of any other sailing
craft.

Could be equivalent... if you think about how many Thistle sailors are
basically saying that sailboat design has not advanced since 1948...

There have been some improvements, especially in seat/flotation tank
configurations and in spar design, depite having that silly square section
through the deck. Running rigging has changed as well. About the only
thing that is typically seen as advancements in other OD classes but not in
the Thistle is deck configuration, for obvious reasons.

OTOH the Thistle is possibly *the* best light-air sailboat ever designed,
a performance characteristic that I hope to never put to the test...
again, I mean ;)

Scow sailors might be quick to disagree. A scow heeled to weather in light
air has less wetted surface area than anything afloat. Pull up the bilge
board until there is just a nub protruding, and you've got a tough boat to
beat, even with a Thistle.

Max

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"Mys Terry" wrote in message
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wrote:


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Scotty wrote:

Mac 26 . Don't laugh, they have a cult following.

Scotty



For obvious reasons.


Satan also has a cult following.




As does Jesus

As does Osama bin Laden.

Max

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"Bob Crantz" wrote
What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?

To be a cult it would have to be an older boat.
It would have to be admired, or even lusted
after by many. Crews would be begging for
rides. Add a dose of "break-through design"
but without the fame of a high production run.

Here are my choices.

First place Id give to the "Moore 24".
http://www.moore24.org/moore/boatOfMonth.html
Read about "Team Bonzi's" fabulous win in the
1992 West Marine Pacific Cup--A David and
Goliath story. In 1996 Moore 24 KANGAROO
COURT took 2nd overall.
http://www.pacificcup.org/02/pc02-stories.html

Good stuff on the last link for prepping a boat for
a downwind sleigh ride.

Second Place
MERLIN--just one boat, that lead to the "Santa
Cruz 70" and was soon duplicated by Andrews 70's.
See Pacific Cup link above. Merlin was a planing
66' yacht that set the Transpac record, won it three
times and held the record for 18 years.

Honorable mention: Etchells, Mini's, Express 27, &
Olson 30

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Thistles ( did I spell that right?) At least I lived close to a fleet
of them and most of the members acted like cult members.


They are like cult members, and they have strange religious beliefs too.
I've had Thistle sailors actually complain to me that 12 knots was too
much wind for a good race!


Maxprop wrote:
A friggin' pansy, he was.

No, just a skinny person with another skinny person & a kid
for crew.

... I've raced Thistles in over 20 kts.

Not sure if I have or not, at least the high teens though. I
would say (from the vantage point of a couple decades later)
that it was fun while it was happening, but caused a lot of
pain soon afterwards.


.... The Thistle has no deck, so it will ship 200
gallons of water on a careless tack.


According to Microsoft, that's a user-option feature!

As for Lightnings status as punishers, they're not as bad as
Thistles (and not as fast in light air), but a Lightning
crew... and to some extent, the skipper... must accept a
certain amount of pain to sail the boat actively. Another
great user-option feature, the centerboard as guillotine...
if that doesn't get you, the vang will try next!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:27:14 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:47:57 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?



Thistles ( did I spell that right?) At least I lived close to a fleet
of them and most of the members acted like cult members.

You obviously mistook sore butts and legs for cult behavior. g

Max

So that's why they walked stoved up for three days after a race!

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Doug,

If your Catboat carried the wide beam and "Barndoor Rudder" it was Cult
material.

I guess we should mention the "Atlantic City Catboat," with it balanced
inboard rudder. A lot of them around and are still in production. Good
Boats



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My God;

How could I miss the "Thisles" Thisles owner AND FAMILY are Cult
Members. A Thisle Regatta is a family affair with picnicing, scoring,
same boats being raced by owners, owners kids, male and female crews.

I was taught how the Heave-to by a Thisle sailor, as we waited for the
next race.



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Thom Stewart wrote:
Doug,

If your Catboat carried the wide beam and "Barndoor Rudder" it was Cult
material.


Of course it did! It was a 22' LOA cat with (as near as I
can recall) a 500 Sq Ft gaff mainsail, the end of the boom
was about 4 feet aft of the transom. The rudder was not
truly a barn door, but it was bigger than a mid-size car
door, and geared to neat little old-fashioned steering
wheel. It was also the only boat I've ever owned that had
inside ballast... made me nervous when sailing hard, but no
trouble ever came. That was a fun boat, partly because I
could take lots of friends and still handle the sheet & helm
myself.

Ever climb up the mast by way of hoops?


I guess we should mention the "Atlantic City Catboat," with it balanced
inboard rudder. A lot of them around and are still in production. Good
Boats


Yes, they are still being raced enthusiastically on Barnegat
Bay... a cult boat for sure, and expensive enough to be a
real status symbol. My grandfather talked about racing
A-cats when he was young.

BTW Thom ever seen or sailed a sneakbox?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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I was going to mention the "Sneakbox" but didn't know how many would
know what I was talking about. Just about had to be on the Barnagat and
be a really "Wet ass sailor" to appreciate them and a Duck hunter when
in season. A great boat for Kids to learn to sail properly.



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Doug,

I learned to sail on an old "Sandbagger work Catboat" I went up the
mast many time on the Hoops to free the Boom Jaw. It was my Job to keep
it Greased. If it stuck it was me that had to free it.



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Bob Crantz wrote:

What sailboats are considered cult sailboats?



Some considered the Lido a classic. - Basic, but responsive and fun to
sail.

Jim

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Not among sailors.

"Scotty" wrote
Mac 26 . Don't laugh, they have a cult following.

"Bob Crantz" wrote
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Can you call a mainstream boat like the J-24 a cult boat?

I think the Moore 24 is a far superior boat, but it
was not marketed as well on the J-24.

I agree on the Olson 30. It was an affordable keelboat
whose light weight and white knuckle performance gives
it the edge as a cult boat.

I like the Express 27 also. I haven't sailed either boat, but
I like them both very much. Many people say the Express
27 is a better boat by and large on the wind.

Why did you say Hobie 33. I don't know much about
these boats. Fill us in.

"rgnmstr" wrote

Hobie 33
Olson 30
J24

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There you go Max. Like you said, it is the fanatical passion
for the boats that makes them cult boats.

"Maxprop" wrote

I agree especially with the El Toro buffs and the Friendship Sloop
aficionados. They're almost fanatical about their particular boats.

I'd also have to include the various scow sailors (especially Es and Cs).
Also the folks who love their Northern Michigan one designs, which are all
wood and lovingly preserved for racing. And let's not forget the Star
sailors, who love to hang off their boats in all sorts of arcane
contortions while hiking.

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They sailed these---

http://www.cometclass.com/


"Bob Crantz" wrote in

Did they shave their heads and cut off their testicles?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(cult)