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Vito wrote:
"katy" wrote

Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.


No, but I very nearly converted in my youth before learning that Judism is
*almost* as nutty as Christianity.

I agree but instead of "a Jewish person" I'd prefer a comprehensive poll. I'm
merely saying that, IMO, phrases like "Jewing down" are more complimentary than
derogatory. A Jew I once worked with had grown up in NYC's garment district. I
wish I had his bargaining skills .... and sense of humor. I suppose YMMV.


Even though his skills may have been admirable, I highly doubt, IMO,
that he would have appreciated your use of the term to describe his
efforts.

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Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

Yes, most. So, you now believe that Jews who live in NYC are somehow
different than ones who live in Kansas?


Absolutely! Not only do I believe it - I know it for a fact. EVERYBODY who
lives in Kansas, or anywhere else, is different than people who live in NYC,
Jewish or not. NYC's unnatural environment warps ones sensibilities and thought
processes. Remember, when most Americans hear "NYC" they think "Get a rope".


Here we think "OMG, will Bobbie never go away?"

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A great group, I know of them.




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Maybe you should talk to some people at this organization...

http://www.jpfo.org/jewsandguncontrol.htm

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How do you know?

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ink.net...

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In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
It's a racist comment... jewing down. Disgusting.

It's not a racist comment. Jews aren't a race. Mexico has a barter
economy,
so haggling is prevelant. So does the Middle East, where Jews
originated.
I
believe the propensity for some Jews to haggle comes from tradition,
passed
down from their ancestry in the Middle East.

By most standards of definition in use today, Jews are a race. In any
case, it's a disgusting comment not worthy of additional discussion.
Anyone who uses such a phrase denegrates an entire people.

A person can be denigrated only by their own choice.

That's very philosphical, but has no basis in reality. Try that with
the wrong crowd, and you're likely to get stomped.

These guys aren't going to kick my ass:

http://tinyurl.com/dgnuv

And they're from New York!

Amen!!!!

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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:18:55 -0500, carl wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:
Carl, you're talking to a sockpuppet... just so you know.

Are you claiming Mys Terry is NOT binary bill, the asshole of the
internet?

And don't try to start claiming that I'm not me either!

carI

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Like my Lebanese Buddy told me last week after negotiations with a friend of
his who is a Jew.... "He out- Lebed me and Jewed down the price." Both
the Jew & the Leb seemed okay with that description. Look Dave... you'll
never out-pick a Mexican, out dance a Blackman, out-scruple a Jap, out-smarm
a Frenchman, out-snoot a Brit, out-drink an Irishman... or out-bull**** a
NYC'er.

CM




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On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:36:24 -0500, "Vito" said:

I merely say that in a world of bargainers being known as the best
is, or should be a compliment. "Jew down" is tactic recognition that Jews
are
the best. I'm sorry if any Jews are offended by it -- they shouldn't be.

The problem is that implicit in the phrase is the assumption that the
speaker regards haggling as an undesirable trait, and thus intends to
express disapproval of an ethnic group by his use of the phrase. Thus, the
Jew hearing the phrase, probably correctly, assumes that the speaker
intends
to express hostility to those having that trait.

One problem is that the assumption may not be correct in all cases. My
wife,
who is Jewish, takes pride in her ability to hondle. But she was appalled
years ago to hear my grandmother use the phrase "Jew down." Funny thing is
my grandmother had probably never before met a Jew in her life and didn't
view the phrase as an ethnic slur at all. To her, it was a neutral term
for
bargaining over price, although she viewed bargaining over price as not a
desirable thing to do, particularly if she was on the receiving end.

There are all kinds of subtleties here, and great potential for
miscommunication, so it's not a good phrase to use.

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Not just me dude... are you jewish? I doubt it.

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"Vito" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Yeah, I'd like to be around for that conversation. Perhaps he should
travel to Israel and ask someone in the military. :-)

Plains Indians believed that the way someone thought about or saw anything
said
more about him than his opinion said about the subject. That is obviously
true
in our case. You see a perjorative where I see a compliment. Why do you
think
ascribing something to Jews (or anybody ese) is perjorative whilst I see
the
same thing as complimentary? Do you think that calling someone a Jew
denegrates
that person? Do you think ascribing a skill to a cultural group
denegrates
them? I do not.

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And, I'm saying that you have no idea what you're talking about. It's
derogatory and shameful that anyone would even defend saying it. Learn from
your mistakes.

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"Vito" wrote in message
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"katy" wrote
Vito, are you Jewish? Maybe the argument would best be solved by
asking the opinion of a Jewish person whether they are "honored" by
your statements.

No, but I very nearly converted in my youth before learning that Judism is
*almost* as nutty as Christianity.

I agree but instead of "a Jewish person" I'd prefer a comprehensive poll.
I'm
merely saying that, IMO, phrases like "Jewing down" are more complimentary
than
derogatory. A Jew I once worked with had grown up in NYC's garment
district. I
wish I had his bargaining skills .... and sense of humor. I suppose YMMV.

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I am, but that handle is the sockpuppet part. He's a very angry person.

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"carl" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Carl, you're talking to a sockpuppet... just so you know.

Are you claiming Mys Terry is NOT binary bill, the asshole of the
internet?

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No one cares if it offends you. The point is that it offends the vast
majority of a people.

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"Vito" wrote in message
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"Mys Terry" wrote
Forget it Jon, all wops are like that!

Doesn't offend me in the least. Ever hear our rendition of the 3 little
pigs?
They're cowering in brick pigs house when he makes a call. Instantly a big
limo
pulls up. Four big pigs get out, stomp the crap out of the wolf, put a gun
in
his mouth and blow the top of his head off. Then they get back into the
limo,
run over him a couple times, then drive off. Jeeze, says straw pig, what
was
that. Oh, just our cousins the guinea pigs ....

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No, you didn't.

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"Vito" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
It is NOT implicit in their religion. If so, please show us some
references to this in the Talmud or Torah.

I just showed where it is. That' what startd the discussion. Is Abraham
important in Jewish history? Did he not bargain God himself down from 50
to 5
souls?

Well, I really don't care what you think. It's clearly derogatory, and
I strongly suggest you keep your mouth shut when in certain crowds, as
you would surely be stompted into unconsciousness for your comment.

In NYC, the land where words speak louder than action? Bwahahahaha. Not
a
chance. If I go to Boston I go via Minnisota to avoid the filthy place.