In article ,
katy wrote:
My fear is that with the spread of these machines to local
establishments and businesses, more harm than hurt is going to
occur. And the thought of some little kid playing "doctor" on his
friends or siblings leaves me cold....

I don't see how it could be an issue, since the unit will not work
if the condition isn't a match.

Of course, anything is possible I suppose...

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In article ,
DSK wrote:
katysails wrote:
My fear is that with the spread of these machines to local
establishments and businesses, more harm than hurt is going to occur.
And the thought of some little kid playing "doctor" on his friends or
siblings leaves me cold....

Well, my understanding is that the machines sold to the
public as Automatic External Defibrillators cannot be made
to shock a person who isn't already dead (ie no pulse). The
problem I see with the AEDs are that people will assume that
they're magical devices that eliminate the need for common
sense. After all, why worry about a heart attack when every
MacDonalds and every Jiffy Gas-N-Go has an AED handy?

Another issue is that there are a large number of people
whom these machines cannot help, and if the people on the
scene waste valuable time fooling around with an AED instead
of getting real medical aid, those people will suffer great
harm or death.

Well, maybe, but typically if you don't know how to use it, you're not
even going to try, because you probably don't know what it is. :-)

If you've had a basic CPR class, then you would know the ABCs and it
wouldn't be an issue.


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Do you have liability insurance for that defib? Remember, Suzy is a
nurse,
she's no longer a good samaritan.


Bad news for you ignorant folks....Suzanne is working for a heart
center, one of the best. She was trained to use the Phillips unit and
may even take a gig teaching others. She's now teaching me the basics.
We are NOT PERMITTED to use it on ANYONE ELSE. It's for two people and
even her father had to sign a special set of forms so that we can use
it on him legally.
Now the big question: Would we use it one someone when no other help
was feasable and death seemed certain otherwise?
Yes. Our finances are pretty much untouchable, so I'd try to save a
life rather than worrying about a lawsuit.


RB
35s5
NY

In article ,
katy wrote:
SUZY wrote:
Hi Sailors,

What is in your first aid kit on your sailboat?

SB
35s5
NY

2 kinds of antibiotic cream
an assortment and variety of gauze and telfa bandages
band-aids
hydrogen peroxide
aloe vera gel
ACE bandages
a few straws (never know when you're going to have to do that
emergency trach)
aspirin, tylenol, ibuprogen, and some prescription painkillers
an EPI pen
an assortment of needles and fishing line ( works great on stitching
up horses, too)
matches

I hope you have the proper medical training to do a tracheotomy, since if
you don't and you attempt it, there is a very good probability you'll
be sued back to the stone age.


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In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
Do you have liability insurance for that defib? Remember, Suzy is a
nurse,
she's no longer a good samaritan.


Bad news for you ignorant folks....Suzanne is working for a heart
center, one of the best. She was trained to use the Phillips unit and
may even take a gig teaching others. She's now teaching me the basics.
We are NOT PERMITTED to use it on ANYONE ELSE. It's for two people and
even her father had to sign a special set of forms so that we can use
it on him legally.
Now the big question: Would we use it one someone when no other help
was feasable and death seemed certain otherwise?
Yes. Our finances are pretty much untouchable, so I'd try to save a
life rather than worrying about a lawsuit.

It sounds like you're implying that you wouldn't try and save
someone's life if the only mitigating consideration were your personal
fortune.

If I were on a boat or any place where there was no reasonable
expectation of help from the outside, I would try and save the
person's life by whatever means I had available. Even if I wasn't
trained in a particular technique of if my CPR card had expired.



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You would need to be trained in its use to probably avoid liability as
a good samaritan... depending on your using it appropriately of
course.


You don't expect Doug or Crantz to know this, do you?
Suzanne had to have classes in the use of the unit. She's to get
additional training from Phillips next month. In spite of being
designed for easy use, training on the system is prefered. On another
interesting note, we HAD to provide the unit's possible locations to
the vender, who then contacted our insurance company. Our rate was not
effected even though the unit was added to our boat's list of
transportable gear.


RB
35s5
NY

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article ,
katy wrote:
SUZY wrote:
Hi Sailors,

What is in your first aid kit on your sailboat?

SB
35s5
NY

2 kinds of antibiotic cream
an assortment and variety of gauze and telfa bandages
band-aids
hydrogen peroxide
aloe vera gel
ACE bandages
a few straws (never know when you're going to have to do that
emergency trach)
aspirin, tylenol, ibuprogen, and some prescription painkillers
an EPI pen
an assortment of needles and fishing line ( works great on stitching
up horses, too)
matches

I hope you have the proper medical training to do a tracheotomy, since if
you don't and you attempt it, there is a very good probability you'll
be sued back to the stone age.


Oh Jon,

A trake (as us nurses call it) is easy as pie, tilt your neck back,
feel your windpipe? it has ridges like a vaccume clearner hose, right
under your adams apple, use your finger and make sure you feel no
viens, plunge cut a 1/2" slit between the rings into the pipe, a straw
is a bit small for a full grown man I use a cardboard tampax tube, just
remember to remove the tampax first..Thhee hehe. Stick your finger in
the slit to expand it, then insert the tube, rinse with vodka ect, and
tape up.

Rob chokes all the time. I could do it blindfolded.

SB
35s5
NY


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You lie!

It's an over-the counter medical device:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...15146?v=glance

You don't need permission or a prescription to use it!

You lie!

BUSTED!

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Do you have liability insurance for that defib? Remember, Suzy is a
nurse,
she's no longer a good samaritan.


Bad news for you ignorant folks....Suzanne is working for a heart
center, one of the best. She was trained to use the Phillips unit and
may even take a gig teaching others. She's now teaching me the basics.
We are NOT PERMITTED to use it on ANYONE ELSE. It's for two people and
even her father had to sign a special set of forms so that we can use
it on him legally.
Now the big question: Would we use it one someone when no other help
was feasable and death seemed certain otherwise?
Yes. Our finances are pretty much untouchable, so I'd try to save a
life rather than worrying about a lawsuit.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


You don't expect Doug or Crantz to know this, do you?
Suzanne had to have classes in the use of the unit.

I can buy it on Amazon and use it with no classes!

She's to get
additional training from Phillips next month.

I can buy it from Amazon and use it with no training!


In spite of being
designed for easy use, training on the system is prefered.

It is designed to be used with no training! Training is optional!


On another
interesting note, we HAD to provide the unit's possible locations to
the vender, who then contacted our insurance company.

I can buy it from Amazon! You probably had insurance pay for it.



Our rate was not
effected even though the unit was added to our boat's list of
transportable gear.


That's because you are viewed as a medical liability!

Liar!!!!



RB
35s5
NY

Oh Bob,

Your well educated, and worldly.

Rob hates my new uniform, he says it's not proper for the heart ward.

http://www.electric-lingerie.com/costumes/01.jpg

What do you think Bob?

SB
35s5
NY