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"Matt Colie" wrote
But I still wish you had mor pictures of the assembled engine
from the
operating (valve gear) side.


This is like magic- ask and ye receive!

Scotty wrote:
I tried, but the room was dark and there's a big window in back
of the engine, so the pics didn't take.
here's the other side of the cylinder.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/32478.JPG


Thanks for the further pics. I'm guessing the red valve is
the exhaust. The valve operator gear looks simple.

Maybe I should look on E-Bay and see if I can pick up one of
these things... cool toy!

DSK

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Matt Colie wrote:
Max,

The use is possibly interesting if you understand it.

These and many other engines and turbines were used for a very simple
reason:
It is cheaper to make high pressure steam than low. This is a curious
aspect of steam, the transition for liquid to gas take fewer BTUs per
pound as pressure increases.


Right because the change of state (liquid to gas) takes a
huge amount of energy in itself, so that is sort of a
built-in "overhead" cost of generating steam. Once you
generated that much heat to get steam in the first place,
you might as well make a little more heat and get a lot more
steam, proportionately. It's also more effective to transfer
heat from fluid to solid when the fluid is under pressure,
so the higher steam pressure makes the transfer of heat from
the metal of the boiler to the water more efficient too.


So- why not make high pressure steam and then let the pressure down
before you send it off to heat buildings?

Or use "waste heat" steam generated from some other process?

- Good Idea -
If you try to simply reduct the pressure you end up with velocity
problems. But, if you use the steam in something and then exhaust it at
the desired presure and temperature, you just got the steam qaulity you
wanted and some mechanical work done for the price of the steam.

The reason engines like this were contracted well into the 20th century
is also simple:
Turbines Want Superheated Steam.
Superheat is when something is heated to greater than the saturated
temperature at that pressure (15psi heated to 250F 212).
This requires an extras part in the boiler (steam generator) called a
superheater (-duh) and makes the operation of the plant much more critical.
Reciprocating engines find little value in superheat.


It's also difficult to add superheaters to small boilers,
waste heat boilers, trash furnace boilers, etc etc.

If the engine runs a generator (like this one did) it can offset the
elecric load required for any large facility. One place I worked years
ago had two of these side by side. Was very much like the pictured
unit. The other had a directly conected air compressor.


As the price of fuel goes up & up, it will be interesting to
see if more of these type plants go back into operation.

DSK

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"Matt Colie" wrote

If the engine runs a generator (like this one did) it can
offset the
elecric load required for any large facility. One place I
worked years
ago had two of these side by side. Was very much like the
pictured
unit. The other had a directly conected air compressor.


Where was that? I don't suppose you know if they're still there?

Scotty

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Matt & Scott,
I don't want to dwell on old power production, in this Sailing group,
but it is a subject closes to my heart also.

My degree is in Instrumentation but I was employed by the Atlantic
Refinery in Philadelphia. It was OLD to say the least. We had a Power
Plt. that used those Generators which produced 25 cycle power, which was
still operating in 1969 when I transferred to the operation here in the
NW ( North Slope Crude) It was necessary because of all of the equipment
that used 25 cycle that wasn't upgraded.

Ah Yes! Golden Memories!



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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Matt & Scott,
I don't want to dwell on old power production, in this Sailing
group,
but it is a subject closes to my heart also.


That's OK. it's as on topic as 90% of the posts here.

And much more manly!

Scotty

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Doug,

I'd say the "Red Hand Valve" was the inlet Valve. The two reducing
valves are on the exhaust side. Just an idle observation of and "Old
Huff & Puffer"



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And interesting comment, I think, was mentioned in the story and movie,
"Sand Pebbles" When the Motor Mech was teaching the native about the
Steam engine and High Pressure Steam and Waste Heat steam. The Chinese
Trainee got the idea when he named; "Strong Steam and Sleepy Steam"
I've used the terminology in teaching measurement of Steam Flows.



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Thom Stewart wrote:

I'd say the "Red Hand Valve" was the inlet Valve. The two reducing
valves are on the exhaust side. Just an idle observation of and "Old
Huff & Puffer"


You may be right. It looked like it was mounted to the
cylinder exhaust chest, but that may be the pilot valve instead.

I'm going to bribe Scotty to bring the next one to my house,
it looks like a great toy.

BTW Thom did you ever have a plant using 20 ~ 60V DC
instrumentation & controls? Made by ITT/Barton if memory
serves, haven't seen one of them in a while. 1950s
technology but effective and efficient.

Regards
Doug King

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Doug,

I'm an old Petroleum Worker. 60V is to capable of creating a spark hot
enough to Blow the Place up.

We did, however, use 25 Volt, 5 to 25 ma Instrumentation on the New
Refinery out here.

A Comment to satisfy ASA; I transfer out here because of my Pneumatic
Background, That is the reason for the name of my boat; "Pneuma" I had
to have an Air powered boat!! Also; Pneumatics have yet to create a
spark in an explosive environment.

Our Instrumentation out here was basically "Rochester Analog" with
Fischer pneumatic driven control valves. Signals to "Big Blue" IBM
computer for accounting. It wasn't long before we upgraded to total
Digital, Followed rapidly to 100% Computer Control. However the same
old pneumatic valve are at the end of the control circuit.

My gang called me; "The Old Huff & Puffer" and I called them; "Wink,
Blinkers & Nodders" I called my Venture 2-22 "
"Huff & Puff"



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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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My gang called me; "The Old Huff & Puffer"


there was a girl in my 8th grade class with the same nickname.

;)
Scotty