OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG


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Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

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Nice truck!


"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

Scotty wrote:
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the
slide valve is built into the bearing housing. What's all
that stuff in the middle of the flywheel do?

Sure looks heavy!

DSK

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

I don't think that is a flywheel with all that stuff in the middle. It is
the end of the housing frame for the generator/alternator. If it was a
flywheel, why is the outer circumference unpainted? It looks like some type
of variable reluctance mechanism.

Amen!




"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the slide valve is
built into the bearing housing. What's all that stuff in the middle of the
flywheel do?

Sure looks heavy!

DSK

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

http://www2.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


Scotty finally repowering is sad little boat!

Bwahahahahahaha!


RB
35s5
NY

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What a gear head...

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

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Bob Crantz wrote:
I don't think that is a flywheel with all that stuff in the middle. It is
the end of the housing frame for the generator/alternator.

The notched wheel at the outboard end looks like it might be
a row of magnets for some type of generator, but it doesn't
make sense to power a generator with a single-cylinder steam
piston... unless these things are pre-1915 which they don't
look.

But it's still going to function as a flywheel with all that
rotating mass, no matter what else is going on. And a single
cylinder engine needs a little something too.

.... If it was a
flywheel, why is the outer circumference unpainted?

Because it's cheaper that way? Because it was also used as a
PTO by belt or friction wheel at some point? Because it used
to be painted but wore off?

Some things man was not meant to know... and some things you
just can't tell from pictures.

... It looks like some type
of variable reluctance mechanism.


Dunno. Could be. Looks like an interesting piece of
machinery anyway. And you're right, Scott does have a nice
truck!

Regards
Doug King

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Nice genset Scotty.

The Battle Ship Texas is full of Simplex Genset, pumps, ect. Most are
turbin driven like such:

http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...0742.sized.jpg

Steam 2 clyinder steering:

http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...0775.sized.jpg

Even electric steering:

http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...0757.sized.jpg

But here is where you end up when all else fails. Know to the crew as
HELL.

http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...0756.sized.jpg

If you like steam engines and such the battleship Texas is a great ship
to visit. Thing I like is they let you explore on your own.

Joe

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Additional information is in line = I hate it but. . .

DSK wrote:
Scotty wrote:

I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
I don't think is is a multi flow because all that I even ran had a big
exhaust chest in the center of the cylinder.

These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.
Yes, that is the rotor and field of a large low speed generator.
more about this in response to later questions/.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.
But I still wish you had mor pictures of the assembled engine from the
operating (valve gear) side.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the slide valve
is built into the bearing housing. What's all that stuff in the middle
of the flywheel do?

Sure looks heavy!

DSK
On to other answers

Matt Colie

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

Additional information is in line = I hate it but. . .

DSK wrote:
Scotty wrote:

I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
I don't think is is a multi flow because all that I even ran had a big
exhaust chest in the center of the cylinder.

These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.
Yes, that is the rotor and field of a large low speed generator.
more about this in response to later questions/.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.
But I still wish you had mor pictures of the assembled engine from the
operating (valve gear) side.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the slide valve
is built into the bearing housing. What's all that stuff in the middle
of the flywheel do?

Sure looks heavy!

DSK
On to other answers

Matt Colie

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:
I don't think that is a flywheel with all that stuff in the middle. It is
the end of the housing frame for the generator/alternator.

The notched wheel at the outboard end looks like it might be a row of
magnets for some type of generator, but it doesn't make sense to power a
generator with a single-cylinder steam piston... unless these things are
pre-1915 which they don't look.

The notched thing on the end is an armature. Each of the protrusions from
the notch is a pole.


But it's still going to function as a flywheel with all that rotating
mass, no matter what else is going on. And a single cylinder engine needs
a little something too.

The armature does act as a flywheel and as a braking mechanism, depending on
the electrical load..


.... If it was a flywheel, why is the outer circumference unpainted?

Because it's cheaper that way? Because it was also used as a PTO by belt
or friction wheel at some point? Because it used to be painted but wore
off?

I was talking about the big round thing to the right of the armature. It
looks like it goes into the frame of the generator. It also supports the
bearing for the shaft.

Some things man was not meant to know... and some things you just can't
tell from pictures.

Looking at the pictures again, the big thing to the right of the armature is
the stator. The armature has slid out of the stator.


... It looks like some type of variable reluctance mechanism.


Dunno. Could be. Looks like an interesting piece of machinery anyway. And
you're right, Scott does have a nice truck!

That truck costs more than RB's boat!

I wonder if Scotty likes his truck more than his boat?


Regards
Doug King

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Again:

DSK wrote:
Scotty wrote:

I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the slide valve
is built into the bearing housing. What's all that stuff in the middle
of the flywheel do?

That is not the slide valve, it is a Skinner (ego Poppet Valve) engine.
The stuff in the middle of the flywheel are weights and links for the
governor. The ring right near the chain moves on the shaft to control
the admission valve cam.


Sure looks heavy!

As a freind used to say - those things are made out of heavy.

DSK


Matt Colie

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

Again:

Bob Crantz wrote:

I don't think that is a flywheel with all that stuff in the middle. It is
the end of the housing frame for the generator/alternator. If it was a
flywheel, why is the outer circumference unpainted? It looks like some type
of variable reluctance mechanism.

Amen!


The flywheel is the giant ring with square holes (it is painted). teh
square holes are for the guys like me to lock a jack in so the engine
can be turned slowly and controlably for any of a number of maintenance
procedures.

Per a resounse above - the unpainted thing is a ring of field poles. It
is called a salient pole mancine as opposed to round rotor. You could
could them and devide by 3600 to figure out what speed it ran (sllooww).

Matt Again



"DSK" wrote in message
...

Scotty wrote:

I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the slide valve is
built into the bearing housing. What's all that stuff in the middle of the
flywheel do?

Sure looks heavy!

DSK

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

Matt Colie wrote:
The flywheel is the giant ring with square holes (it is painted). teh
square holes are for the guys like me to lock a jack in so the engine
can be turned slowly and controlably for any of a number of maintenance
procedures.

Per a resounse above - the unpainted thing is a ring of field poles. It
is called a salient pole mancine as opposed to round rotor. You could
could them and devide by 3600 to figure out what speed it ran (sllooww).


Matt, thanks for the explanation. This machinery is a bit
outside my experience and I appreciate the chance to learn a
little about it. Is there a particular type of plant that
uses these generators?

Regards
Doug King

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Thanks, the owner is good looking too.

SBV

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
Nice truck!


"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to
IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this
one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too
dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG


--
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Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to
IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this
one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too
dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the
slide valve is built into the bearing housing. What's all
that stuff in the middle of the flywheel do?


that's the governor.


Sure looks heavy!


This is the smallest steam engine I've handled. The bigger ones
are around 50 ton. Those 3 pieces were 20 ton. The whole engine
weighs 35 ton. I hauled a complete engine once because I didn't
want to go back to Long Island a second time.

Scotty

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Nope. that's the flywheel. See all those square indents around
the outside, middle? that's to hand crank the engine. Put a big
bar in those holes.


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
I don't think that is a flywheel with all that stuff in the
middle. It is
the end of the housing frame for the generator/alternator. If
it was a
flywheel, why is the outer circumference unpainted? It looks
like some type
of variable reluctance mechanism.

Amen!




"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out
to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will
come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this
one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too
dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the
slide valve is
built into the bearing housing. What's all that stuff in the
middle of the
flywheel do?

Sure looks heavy!

DSK

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
..

The notched thing on the end is an armature. Each of the
protrusions from
the notch is a pole.


Right. It's the rotor. The stator isn't there. It's being
rewound at the moment.





Because it's cheaper that way? Because it was also used as a
PTO by belt
or friction wheel at some point? Because it used to be
painted but wore
off?


No belts or anything touches the outside of the flywheel. The
exciter motor belts run off the shaft. I don't know why it isn't
painted.


..

Looking at the pictures again, the big thing to the right of
the armature is
the stator. The armature has slid out of the stator.


No.




That truck costs more than RB's boat!

Lot's more!



I wonder if Scotty likes his truck more than his boat?


That's a dumb question.

Scotty

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

"DSK" wrote in

The notched wheel at the outboard end looks like it might be
a row of magnets for some type of generator, but it doesn't
make sense to power a generator with a single-cylinder steam
piston... unless these things are pre-1915 which they don't
look.

It makes sense when you already have the steam available, and the
cost of electric is high. The one in place powers part of a
mental health care facility. With both engines up and running,
they will power the whole place.
they already had 2 big coal fired boilers and I brought them an
oil fired boiler last year.
Most of the engines are from the 30s - 40s. The oldest I've
transferred was a 1912. Lots of exposed , whirling parts.
Most of the engines are running wood mills where they burn the
free sawdust in the boiler.

SBV

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Oops, I think maybe it's a Uni-flow. Big difference, huh?


"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...
Additional information is in line = I hate it but. . .

DSK wrote:
Scotty wrote:

I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out
to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
I don't think is is a multi flow because all that I even ran
had a big
exhaust chest in the center of the cylinder.

These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will
come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.
Yes, that is the rotor and field of a large low speed
generator.
more about this in response to later questions/.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this
one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too
dark.
But I still wish you had mor pictures of the assembled engine
from the
operating (valve gear) side.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the
slide valve
is built into the bearing housing. What's all that stuff in
the middle
of the flywheel do?

Sure looks heavy!

DSK
On to other answers

Matt Colie

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...
But I still wish you had mor pictures of the assembled engine
from the
operating (valve gear) side.


I tried, but the room was dark and there's a big window in back
of the engine, so the pics didn't take.
here's the other side of the cylinder.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/32478.JPG

Scotty

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Jelious?


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
What a gear head...

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to
IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this
one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too
dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

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Some places are replacing their steam engines with turbines. I've
delivered a few, then my buddy gets the old engines for next to
nothing ( save the time / cost of removal ).

Scotty




"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Nice genset Scotty.

The Battle Ship Texas is full of Simplex Genset, pumps, ect.
Most are
turbin driven like such:


http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...P1010742.sized.
jpg

Steam 2 clyinder steering:


http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...P1010775.sized.
jpg

Even electric steering:


http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...P1010757.sized.
jpg

But here is where you end up when all else fails. Know to the
crew as
HELL.


http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...P1010756.sized.
jpg

If you like steam engines and such the battleship Texas is a
great ship
to visit. Thing I like is they let you explore on your own.

Joe

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

"Matt Colie" wrote


The flywheel is the giant ring with square holes (it is
painted). teh
square holes are for the guys like me to lock a jack in so the
engine
can be turned slowly and controlably for any of a number of
maintenance
procedures.


You've done that too, eh? I was amazed at how easy they turn the
first time I tried it.

SV

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
..

Looking at the pictures again, the big thing to the right of
the armature is
the stator. The armature has slid out of the stator.

look at this pic again. See the flywheel and to the right is the
stator, around the rotor. the stator still has it's lifting ring
in the top of it.

http://www2.enter.net/photoalbum/dat...non/197707.JPG




look at this pic and you'll see the outside of the flywheel is
painted.
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG


Scotty

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

I was going by the picture on your truck.

I've touched the first AC generator in the world put to use. It is in
Telluride, CO and designed by Nikola Tesla. It now sits in a rust heap
beside the town museum.


"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
.

Looking at the pictures again, the big thing to the right of
the armature is
the stator. The armature has slid out of the stator.

look at this pic again. See the flywheel and to the right is the
stator, around the rotor. the stator still has it's lifting ring
in the top of it.

http://www2.enter.net/photoalbum/dat...non/197707.JPG




look at this pic and you'll see the outside of the flywheel is
painted.
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG


Scotty

OT; some Steamy pics for Doug...
 

Why didn't they preserve it?


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was going by the picture on your truck.

I've touched the first AC generator in the world put to use. It
is in
Telluride, CO and designed by Nikola Tesla. It now sits in a
rust heap
beside the town museum.


"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
k.net...
.

Looking at the pictures again, the big thing to the right of
the armature is
the stator. The armature has slid out of the stator.

look at this pic again. See the flywheel and to the right is
the
stator, around the rotor. the stator still has it's lifting
ring
in the top of it.

http://www2.enter.net/photoalbum/dat...non/197707.JPG




look at this pic and you'll see the outside of the flywheel
is
painted.
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG


Scotty

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I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG

This is strictly out of my bailiwick, Scott, but I am very curious--what are
such engines used for? What sort of installations? And where in the
Hoosier State did it go?

Max

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"Maxprop" wrote

This is strictly out of my bailiwick, Scott, but I am very
curious--what are
such engines used for? What sort of installations? And where
in the
Hoosier State did it go?

They power generators, for electric. Most are at lumber mills or
furniture plants where they burn the sawdust as free fuel. Many
of them came from different state gov'ts. where they were
powering state hospitals and prisons. Some were just sitting,
unused for years, in the basements of old factories.

I took this one to Rockville IN. West of Indy, on 36. Been there
about 8 times now. There's a great fishing creek right in back of
the power house. I then went to Allegan MI to pick up a pair of
big condensers (or evaporators).


--
Scott Vernon
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Max,

The use is possibly interesting if you understand it.

These and many other engines and turbines were used for a very simple
reason:
It is cheaper to make high pressure steam than low. This is a curious
aspect of steam, the transition for liquid to gas take fewer BTUs per
pound as pressure increases.

So- why not make high pressure steam and then let the pressure down
before you send it off to heat buildings?
- Good Idea -
If you try to simply reduct the pressure you end up with velocity
problems. But, if you use the steam in something and then exhaust it at
the desired presure and temperature, you just got the steam qaulity you
wanted and some mechanical work done for the price of the steam.

The reason engines like this were contracted well into the 20th century
is also simple:
Turbines Want Superheated Steam.
Superheat is when something is heated to greater than the saturated
temperature at that pressure (15psi heated to 250F 212).
This requires an extras part in the boiler (steam generator) called a
superheater (-duh) and makes the operation of the plant much more critical.
Reciprocating engines find little value in superheat.

If the engine runs a generator (like this one did) it can offset the
elecric load required for any large facility. One place I worked years
ago had two of these side by side. Was very much like the pictured
unit. The other had a directly conected air compressor.

Matt Colie - Again

Maxprop wrote:



This is strictly out of my bailiwick, Scott, but I am very curious--what are
such engines used for? What sort of installations? And where in the
Hoosier State did it go?

Max

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"Matt Colie" wrote
But I still wish you had mor pictures of the assembled engine
from the
operating (valve gear) side.


This is like magic- ask and ye receive!

Scotty wrote:
I tried, but the room was dark and there's a big window in back
of the engine, so the pics didn't take.
here's the other side of the cylinder.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/32478.JPG


Thanks for the further pics. I'm guessing the red valve is
the exhaust. The valve operator gear looks simple.

Maybe I should look on E-Bay and see if I can pick up one of
these things... cool toy!

DSK

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Matt Colie wrote:
Max,

The use is possibly interesting if you understand it.

These and many other engines and turbines were used for a very simple
reason:
It is cheaper to make high pressure steam than low. This is a curious
aspect of steam, the transition for liquid to gas take fewer BTUs per
pound as pressure increases.


Right because the change of state (liquid to gas) takes a
huge amount of energy in itself, so that is sort of a
built-in "overhead" cost of generating steam. Once you
generated that much heat to get steam in the first place,
you might as well make a little more heat and get a lot more
steam, proportionately. It's also more effective to transfer
heat from fluid to solid when the fluid is under pressure,
so the higher steam pressure makes the transfer of heat from
the metal of the boiler to the water more efficient too.


So- why not make high pressure steam and then let the pressure down
before you send it off to heat buildings?

Or use "waste heat" steam generated from some other process?

- Good Idea -
If you try to simply reduct the pressure you end up with velocity
problems. But, if you use the steam in something and then exhaust it at
the desired presure and temperature, you just got the steam qaulity you
wanted and some mechanical work done for the price of the steam.

The reason engines like this were contracted well into the 20th century
is also simple:
Turbines Want Superheated Steam.
Superheat is when something is heated to greater than the saturated
temperature at that pressure (15psi heated to 250F 212).
This requires an extras part in the boiler (steam generator) called a
superheater (-duh) and makes the operation of the plant much more critical.
Reciprocating engines find little value in superheat.


It's also difficult to add superheaters to small boilers,
waste heat boilers, trash furnace boilers, etc etc.

If the engine runs a generator (like this one did) it can offset the
elecric load required for any large facility. One place I worked years
ago had two of these side by side. Was very much like the pictured
unit. The other had a directly conected air compressor.


As the price of fuel goes up & up, it will be interesting to
see if more of these type plants go back into operation.

DSK

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"Matt Colie" wrote

If the engine runs a generator (like this one did) it can
offset the
elecric load required for any large facility. One place I
worked years
ago had two of these side by side. Was very much like the
pictured
unit. The other had a directly conected air compressor.


Where was that? I don't suppose you know if they're still there?

Scotty

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Matt & Scott,
I don't want to dwell on old power production, in this Sailing group,
but it is a subject closes to my heart also.

My degree is in Instrumentation but I was employed by the Atlantic
Refinery in Philadelphia. It was OLD to say the least. We had a Power
Plt. that used those Generators which produced 25 cycle power, which was
still operating in 1969 when I transferred to the operation here in the
NW ( North Slope Crude) It was necessary because of all of the equipment
that used 25 cycle that wasn't upgraded.

Ah Yes! Golden Memories!



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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Matt & Scott,
I don't want to dwell on old power production, in this Sailing
group,
but it is a subject closes to my heart also.


That's OK. it's as on topic as 90% of the posts here.

And much more manly!

Scotty

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Doug,

I'd say the "Red Hand Valve" was the inlet Valve. The two reducing
valves are on the exhaust side. Just an idle observation of and "Old
Huff & Puffer"



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And interesting comment, I think, was mentioned in the story and movie,
"Sand Pebbles" When the Motor Mech was teaching the native about the
Steam engine and High Pressure Steam and Waste Heat steam. The Chinese
Trainee got the idea when he named; "Strong Steam and Sleepy Steam"
I've used the terminology in teaching measurement of Steam Flows.



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Thom Stewart wrote:

I'd say the "Red Hand Valve" was the inlet Valve. The two reducing
valves are on the exhaust side. Just an idle observation of and "Old
Huff & Puffer"


You may be right. It looked like it was mounted to the
cylinder exhaust chest, but that may be the pilot valve instead.

I'm going to bribe Scotty to bring the next one to my house,
it looks like a great toy.

BTW Thom did you ever have a plant using 20 ~ 60V DC
instrumentation & controls? Made by ITT/Barton if memory
serves, haven't seen one of them in a while. 1950s
technology but effective and efficient.

Regards
Doug King

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Doug,

I'm an old Petroleum Worker. 60V is to capable of creating a spark hot
enough to Blow the Place up.

We did, however, use 25 Volt, 5 to 25 ma Instrumentation on the New
Refinery out here.

A Comment to satisfy ASA; I transfer out here because of my Pneumatic
Background, That is the reason for the name of my boat; "Pneuma" I had
to have an Air powered boat!! Also; Pneumatics have yet to create a
spark in an explosive environment.

Our Instrumentation out here was basically "Rochester Analog" with
Fischer pneumatic driven control valves. Signals to "Big Blue" IBM
computer for accounting. It wasn't long before we upgraded to total
Digital, Followed rapidly to 100% Computer Control. However the same
old pneumatic valve are at the end of the control circuit.

My gang called me; "The Old Huff & Puffer" and I called them; "Wink,
Blinkers & Nodders" I called my Venture 2-22 "
"Huff & Puff"



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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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My gang called me; "The Old Huff & Puffer"


there was a girl in my 8th grade class with the same nickname.

;)
Scotty