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DSK wrote:
Scotty wrote:

I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
I don't think is is a multi flow because all that I even ran had a big
exhaust chest in the center of the cylinder.

These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.
Yes, that is the rotor and field of a large low speed generator.
more about this in response to later questions/.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.
But I still wish you had mor pictures of the assembled engine from the
operating (valve gear) side.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the slide valve
is built into the bearing housing. What's all that stuff in the middle
of the flywheel do?

Sure looks heavy!

DSK
On to other answers

Matt Colie

Again:

DSK wrote:
Scotty wrote:

I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the slide valve
is built into the bearing housing. What's all that stuff in the middle
of the flywheel do?

That is not the slide valve, it is a Skinner (ego Poppet Valve) engine.
The stuff in the middle of the flywheel are weights and links for the
governor. The ring right near the chain moves on the shaft to control
the admission valve cam.


Sure looks heavy!

As a freind used to say - those things are made out of heavy.

DSK


Matt Colie

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scotty wrote:
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to
IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this
one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too
dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG



Thanks Scott. I haven't seen any like that, looks like the
slide valve is built into the bearing housing. What's all
that stuff in the middle of the flywheel do?


that's the governor.


Sure looks heavy!


This is the smallest steam engine I've handled. The bigger ones
are around 50 ton. Those 3 pieces were 20 ton. The whole engine
weighs 35 ton. I hauled a complete engine once because I didn't
want to go back to Long Island a second time.

Scotty

What a gear head...

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Jelious?


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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What a gear head...

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to
IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this
one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too
dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Nice genset Scotty.

The Battle Ship Texas is full of Simplex Genset, pumps, ect. Most are
turbin driven like such:

http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...0742.sized.jpg

Steam 2 clyinder steering:

http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...0775.sized.jpg

Even electric steering:

http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...0757.sized.jpg

But here is where you end up when all else fails. Know to the crew as
HELL.

http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...0756.sized.jpg

If you like steam engines and such the battleship Texas is a great ship
to visit. Thing I like is they let you explore on your own.

Joe

Some places are replacing their steam engines with turbines. I've
delivered a few, then my buddy gets the old engines for next to
nothing ( save the time / cost of removal ).

Scotty




"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Nice genset Scotty.

The Battle Ship Texas is full of Simplex Genset, pumps, ect.
Most are
turbin driven like such:


http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...P1010742.sized.
jpg

Steam 2 clyinder steering:


http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...P1010775.sized.
jpg

Even electric steering:


http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...P1010757.sized.
jpg

But here is where you end up when all else fails. Know to the
crew as
HELL.


http://www.survivingworldsteam.com/a...P1010756.sized.
jpg

If you like steam engines and such the battleship Texas is a
great ship
to visit. Thing I like is they let you explore on your own.

Joe

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I took a Skinner, single cyl., horizontal steam engine out to IN
last week. I think it's a Multi Flow.
These are the 3 big pieces to it. The smaller stuff will come
later.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/920863.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/525767.JPG


The crank / flywheel / rotor assy. Weighs 9 ton.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data/sbvernon/38778.JPG


This is the sister engine, one serial # apart. We set this one up
about 10 years ago.
It's very dark in the powerhouse, so most pics came out too dark.

http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/621374.JPG
http://www.enter.net/photoalbum/data...non/197707.JPG

This is strictly out of my bailiwick, Scott, but I am very curious--what are
such engines used for? What sort of installations? And where in the
Hoosier State did it go?

Max

"Maxprop" wrote

This is strictly out of my bailiwick, Scott, but I am very
curious--what are
such engines used for? What sort of installations? And where
in the
Hoosier State did it go?

They power generators, for electric. Most are at lumber mills or
furniture plants where they burn the sawdust as free fuel. Many
of them came from different state gov'ts. where they were
powering state hospitals and prisons. Some were just sitting,
unused for years, in the basements of old factories.

I took this one to Rockville IN. West of Indy, on 36. Been there
about 8 times now. There's a great fishing creek right in back of
the power house. I then went to Allegan MI to pick up a pair of
big condensers (or evaporators).


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Max,

The use is possibly interesting if you understand it.

These and many other engines and turbines were used for a very simple
reason:
It is cheaper to make high pressure steam than low. This is a curious
aspect of steam, the transition for liquid to gas take fewer BTUs per
pound as pressure increases.

So- why not make high pressure steam and then let the pressure down
before you send it off to heat buildings?
- Good Idea -
If you try to simply reduct the pressure you end up with velocity
problems. But, if you use the steam in something and then exhaust it at
the desired presure and temperature, you just got the steam qaulity you
wanted and some mechanical work done for the price of the steam.

The reason engines like this were contracted well into the 20th century
is also simple:
Turbines Want Superheated Steam.
Superheat is when something is heated to greater than the saturated
temperature at that pressure (15psi heated to 250F 212).
This requires an extras part in the boiler (steam generator) called a
superheater (-duh) and makes the operation of the plant much more critical.
Reciprocating engines find little value in superheat.

If the engine runs a generator (like this one did) it can offset the
elecric load required for any large facility. One place I worked years
ago had two of these side by side. Was very much like the pictured
unit. The other had a directly conected air compressor.

Matt Colie - Again

Maxprop wrote:



This is strictly out of my bailiwick, Scott, but I am very curious--what are
such engines used for? What sort of installations? And where in the
Hoosier State did it go?

Max