Premium high end:

http://www.etymotic.com/

Look at these:

http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er4.aspx

Oh my God! Read this:

http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er4.aspx

I smell smackdown:

http://www.etymotic.com/pdf/er4-hpr-1994.pdf

These buds are for you!

http://www.etymotic.com/pdf/er4-srsv-1999.pdf

Obviously superior:

http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er4-ts.aspx

Much less driver mass to move, much less distortion, direct coupling to
eardrum!!!

These things can't be beat!

SMACKDOWN!!!!

Glory!

Much less driver mass to move, much less distortion, direct coupling to

eardrum!!!


These things can't be beat!


Sadly they don't work for everyone, because in-ear designs don't fit
everyone. Also: No one has beaten large transducer designs that also
cover the entire ear offering non-electronic noise control. The in ear
designs fail to do this, unable to control sound transmitted in the
areas surrounding the canal.
Do some research, Bob. Or better yet, try some premium ear buds vs. a
1100.00 pair of Stax. There's simply no comparison.
And there is no true direct coupling to the eardrum, which would be
very dangerous.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...
Much less driver mass to move, much less distortion, direct coupling to

eardrum!!!


These things can't be beat!


Sadly they don't work for everyone, because in-ear designs don't fit
everyone.

Ever hear of custom molded ear pieces?

http://www.westone.com/

Also: No one has beaten large transducer designs that also
cover the entire ear offering non-electronic noise control.

Beaten? By what standard?

Here ya go:

http://www.ultimateears.com/resource...g-earbuds.html


The in ear
designs fail to do this, unable to control sound transmitted in the
areas surrounding the canal.

Are you talking bone conduction? The Petrus region of the ear canal is
isolated from the cranial structure. More noise travels in the Eustachian
canals than is conducted in areas closer than the styloid process. Bone
conduction occurs over the entire skull.

Do some research, Bob.

I have.

Or better yet, try some premium ear buds vs. a
1100.00 pair of Stax. There's simply no comparison.

To what? Discount store head phones?

And there is no true direct coupling to the eardrum, which would be
very dangerous.

But yet it is done:

http://www.otologics.com/us/index_us.cfm


SMACKDOWN!!!

Glory!

More noise travels in the Eustachian
canals than is conducted in areas closer than the styloid process. Bone

conduction occurs over the entire skull.

Sorry, the fleshy areas around the ear transmit sound, which is why
proper ear speakers have a large surround. Noise cancelation in earbuds
is achieved via lower quality sound. I've tried them. Those earbuds are
toys. Are you aware that some high end earspeakers actually have their
own amps matched to them?
And these sure aren't 40 dollar Apple earbuds that MM thinks so highly
of, now are they? Stop being silly. Your new boy got busted on the Ipod
video (which he then admitted to), got it wrong on the AV cable,
variable EQ, and of course the el-cheapo earbuds that are ranked badly
on Apple's own website.
Thread over, dude! Totally.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
More noise travels in the Eustachian
canals than is conducted in areas closer than the styloid process. Bone

conduction occurs over the entire skull.

Sorry, the fleshy areas around the ear transmit sound, which is why
proper ear speakers have a large surround.

Wrong again. Here's what bone conduction can do:

http://www.entific.com/directBoneConduction.asp

Note that driving one side of the head also drives the opposite ear.

Flesh is highly attenuating to acoustics.

BIG FLOUNDER SMACK DOWN!

Glory!

Flesh is highly attenuating to acoustics.


But it's not consistent person to person so it must be removed from the
equation in headphone design. The earbuds don't do it well, which is
why they are not the industry or audiophile standard...not even close.
Now this thread is really over and you've been beaten on every point
again. The reason? I've used pro Stax and Senheiser phones and some
pretty okay buds as well. You're just googling up crap the same way MM
did.
See if you can present anything here to pull me back in...or this
thread is dead by my hands!


RB
35s5
NY