Donal wrote:
"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in

Blue Ball, Intercourse, Virginville, Bird in Hand, Paradise,
Wagontown, Sinking Spring, Stony Creek ,all in my area of PA.

You are all too stupid to realise that the Virginia in Ireland

was named

*AFTER* the Virginia in the USA.



Wrong Donut! You are too pompous to realize that we all don't
give a rat's ass about Ireland.

Speak for yourself, Scoot. I love Ireland.


Of course you don't!


I just don't care about
Irishmen like Donal, who are so sanctimonious as to be a blight on his
country. Of course you find such people everywhere, not just Ireland.


Maxprop,
Your arrogance is extremely impressive.

The Irish don't go around bombing countries that they dissapprove of!!


Do you really think that the Irish are more sanctimonious than the
Americans?


I dissaprove of sanctimonious people because they are usually stupid, and
they allow their idiotic opinions to influence their views.




Regards


Donal
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Well, if you consider the Irish content of the USA, then yes, they
do, by default. The other reason being that they can't afford to.
I'n sure that if they had the wherewithal, England would have been
gone a long time ago. Many Irish were German sympathizers during WW1...

Donal wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
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And if the Irish had been smarter, they would have renamed it as
soon as they got rid of British rule.


Actually, the most important thing was *peace*. The infant Irish

government

did not make any efforts to demonstrate their independance.

The British landowners didn't understand that the Irish only wanted

peace.

Many of them(the British) sold their land after independance because

they

thought that their land would be confiscated. History shows that they

sold

cheap.

To this day, the Irish have not tried to exact revenge.



Really? So what are Fenians all about


"are"???

The Fenians were last seen in the 1920's.

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but you can takr
it from me that the "Fenians" do not exist any more.


Regards


Donal
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Well, I'm here to tell you that in the US they are....we get
postcards soliciting for gun money from a concert we went to at one
time...albeit they are in Northern Ireland and thereabouts....

Donal wrote:
My feelings were much more nationalistic. I had a romantic dream
about a
united Ireland.

Fenian....

Donal wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:
My feelings were much more nationalistic. I had a romantic dream
about a
united Ireland.

Fenian....


The term "Fenian" can refer to threedifferent groups of people. Are you
referring Fenians who were Poets, Musicians and Romanticists, or are you
referring to the freedom fighters who gained liberation in 1921, or are you
referring to the terrorists of the 1990's?



Regards


Donal
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I see you as somewhat of a terrorist...

"Donal" wrote in message
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Maxprop,
Your arrogance is extremely impressive.

Why, thank you.


The Irish don't go around bombing countries that they dissapprove of!!

No, but they do go around bombing individuals they disapprove of. And I've
no doubt that if the PIRA had possessed nuclear weapons, London would now be
a collection of rubble and charred black glass.

Do you really think that the Irish are more sanctimonious than the
Americans?

First, Donal, I'm sure you don't include yourself among those Irish
terrorists who car bombed their way through the past half century. I doubt
if you were a member of the latter iteration of Sinn Fein or the IRA. Nor,
I suspect, were your ancestors part of the Irish sympathetic movement toward
the Nazis during WWII. So why do you automatically lump all Americans in
with those who instigate wars? Your arrogance is equally impressive, and I
mean that in the most complimentary way. ;-)

I dissaprove of sanctimonious people because they are usually stupid, and
they allow their idiotic opinions to influence their views.

That's a rather nasty self-deprecating incrimination, doncha think?

Max

Also, they wanted to start shooting at each other almost
immediately after the English left.


Donal wrote:
That is very true.....

You probably know as much about this as I do. I suspect that this was
censored from my early education.


Nobody learns an honest history of their own country, at
least, not the first time around. In some ways this is good,
maybe if we weren't stuffed with romantic myths at an early
age, then nobody would be loyal to anything.



One of the things I admire about the Irish people is that
very few of them seem bitter about the past... and that
seems to have been the case even before the current era of
prosperity.


I base this on a personal observation, only about a dozen
people I talked to and perhaps a hundred that I observed.

In particular, I had several fairly long discussions with an
old harbor pilot and a couple of older sailors (in the
Kinsale & Cobh areas).



My gut feeling is that there was always a connection to prosperity.


For many people... perhaps most... yes of course. The
average person would rather raise a family is peace than go
around throwing bombs, or even recruiting suicide bombers.



My younger brother, who is only four years younger than I am, has always
felt that Northern Ireland would be too expensive to control.

My feelings were much more nationalistic. I had a romantic dream about a
united Ireland.

I believe that our differences can be explained by the different education
that we received.


Sure. Not just education but also the differing attitudes of
one's peer group at an early age. For example, when I was a
kid, people around here talked about what their
great-grand-daddies did in the Civil War, sort of like the
way baby boomer still talk about the Nixon/Viet Nam era. To
younger people, both topics are a total blank. Many know a
little about the subject but it's a null issue, emotionally.

DSK

"katy" wrote in message
...
Donal wrote:

The term "Fenian" can refer to threedifferent groups of people. Are
you
referring Fenians who were Poets, Musicians and Romanticists, or are you
referring to the freedom fighters who gained liberation in 1921, or are
you
referring to the terrorists of the 1990's?



I see you as somewhat of a terrorist...


I wouldn't say that to a terrorist!!!


Regards

Donal
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Donal wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Donal wrote:

The term "Fenian" can refer to threedifferent groups of people. Are

you

referring Fenians who were Poets, Musicians and Romanticists, or are you
referring to the freedom fighters who gained liberation in 1921, or are

you

referring to the terrorists of the 1990's?



I see you as somewhat of a terrorist...



I wouldn't say that to a terrorist!!!


Regards

Donal
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Hey, I'm on your side...

"Donal" wrote
I wouldn't say that to a terrorist!!!

Remember that for the first 3/4 of our national existence, over 300 years,
Americans fought a bitter terrorist war with the indiginous "Indians". This is
a key to our psyche. Those of us close to the traditions that 300 year war
engendered have no fear of modern terrorists because they are but minor threats
compared to the threat our ancestors faced. We like to think ourselves as self
reliant as they were and, like them, arm ourselves and practice. We believe
that one or two armed citizens on each aircraft would have prevented 9/11 -
something airport security which prevented self-defense failed to do.

But not all Americans share that heritage. The cultural decendents of European
serfs who hid in established cities well behind the frontier still look to the
lord in the castle and his knights to defend them and the very notion of having
to defend themselves throws them into panic. Look at the fear in Fred Shumer's
or Sarah Brady's eyes when they discuss gun ownership. These are an ever
growing minority, perhaps even a majority today.

Thus America's split personality.

Were it not for this second group holding us back, we'd know how to deal with
terrorists -- the same way our grandparents dealt with certain warlike indian
tribes. And baiting them is just part of our strategy. Wild young men often
attacked our isolated ranches and farms then escaped back to hide among the
peaceful innocents of their tribes - just like terrorists do today. But we
found a way to deal with that. We killed them all, guilty and innocent alike.
I suggest that the same would work today.

So the Catholic and Protestant Irish are still fighting?? So were many diverse
Indian tribes. Care to buy some weapons?? evil grin When you've murdered
each other ......

Regards ...

"Vito" wrote in message
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We killed them all, guilty and innocent alike.
I suggest that the same would work today.


Bush agrees with you.

Regards


Donal
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