especially if someone is mislead into thinking that a swim
platform is position of choice to recover someone from the water in all
but
the most benign conditions.


Benign conditions, especially in very cold water, have led to deaths.
So we can agree than in certain conditions a swim platform MIGHT come
in handy...which is all I ever said.
Still, I know someone who would have died without one.

RB
35s5
NY

But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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especially if someone is mislead into thinking that a swim
platform is position of choice to recover someone from the water in all
but
the most benign conditions.


Benign conditions, especially in very cold water, have led to deaths.
So we can agree than in certain conditions a swim platform MIGHT come
in handy...which is all I ever said.
Still, I know someone who would have died without one.

RB
35s5
NY

But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might
be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.

I don't agree with that, Jonathan. The ONLY time I went overboard is
when it was calm. I was of my guard. I've seen more people go overboard
in calm conditions. Sailing hard, folks usually hang on for dear life.
It's those easy days that send surprised crew over the side, close to
home. In cold water a dumb accident like that could be your last if you
can't get back on board easily. I have a few friends who sail the
winter here. One has a swim platform....the other doesn't. The one
without leaves his lightly tied with a line that can he can easily pull
from the water. But the boat with the platform is safer.

RB
35s5
NY

Come on Bob. If you're going to troll, at least try and sound reasonable.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might
be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.

I don't agree with that, Jonathan. The ONLY time I went overboard is
when it was calm. I was of my guard. I've seen more people go overboard
in calm conditions. Sailing hard, folks usually hang on for dear life.
It's those easy days that send surprised crew over the side, close to
home. In cold water a dumb accident like that could be your last if you
can't get back on board easily. I have a few friends who sail the
winter here. One has a swim platform....the other doesn't. The one
without leaves his lightly tied with a line that can he can easily pull
from the water. But the boat with the platform is safer.

RB
35s5
NY

Just to follow up... check the latest Cruising World. There's a discussion
about MOBs, but the point of interest for you would be the pictures of the
Beneteau 393 with swim platform. They're practiciing MOBs and picking them
up on the side in very modest conditions.

The method discussed in the text highlighted picking people up on the beam
on the leeward side.

In the recent MOB symposium out here, every senior instructor present,
without exception, used the side of the boat for recovery. In fact, one of
the guys was asked about swim platforms, and he said that's what they should
be used for "not for MOBs, no way, don't do it."

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
But, the chance of an MOB in benign conditions is remote. There might
be
cheeze on the moon, but that doesn't make it likely.

I don't agree with that, Jonathan. The ONLY time I went overboard is
when it was calm. I was of my guard. I've seen more people go overboard
in calm conditions. Sailing hard, folks usually hang on for dear life.
It's those easy days that send surprised crew over the side, close to
home. In cold water a dumb accident like that could be your last if you
can't get back on board easily. I have a few friends who sail the
winter here. One has a swim platform....the other doesn't. The one
without leaves his lightly tied with a line that can he can easily pull
from the water. But the boat with the platform is safer.

RB
35s5
NY

Hey Nutsy,

Just as a matter of information; Just how many times have you boarded a
boat from the water using a swim platform?



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If it happened in cold water, or while alone, its more
serious. In the cases above, it was cause for a lot of teasing for a
long time
afterward, but no one died. ...


It's happened on the LIS a few times. People go over in cold water, but
on a calm day and can't get back on board. It's a really sad way to
go....a swim platform or at least a reachable ladder can save a life.
I've heard that in some cases at night it was call of nature, but it's
generally a word of mouth story. I doubt families would be interested
in releasing such a detail.

RB
35s5
NY

Just as a matter of information; Just how many times have you boarded
a
boat from the water using a swim platform?


Last summer we had our first exposure to swim platforms on three boats:
A Catalina 400, Catalina 34 and the 35s5. I did not swim off the 35s5,
but others did. We really liked it and it's an obvious bonus for kids.
Suzanne said it was the best spot on the boat, letting her feet drag in
the water (slowing us down). I don't know about that, but it's
certainly a fun feature for swimming and feeding the ducks. On the 400
we boarded from a dinghy and WOW! was that ever easier, even in chop.
After a season with the boat I'll let you know how much use it got.

RB
35s5...and a hell of nice swim platform!
NY