Capt. Rob wrote:

You sure looked like an idiot
insisting it was the "most important" race!



Now, Jeff...I'm sure you're not a liar and will post a link to where I
said it was the most important race.


You actually said: "Winning the last race seems to be important with
racers for some reason."

I simply said that I don't know
anyone who throws a race or takes it lightly. If they're at the start
they want to finish first. Always. I guess the racers I know are just
more competitive.


Right Bob. It looks like you really don't know any racers.

Serious racers want to win regattas. Individual races are not so
important. When there's a throw-away or the outcome is already
determined they often don't bother. In the case you presented, the
three leaders were fighting it out, ignoring the last place Bene, who
took a meaningless first place. The fact the you don't understand
this ranks you as a newbie, and a pretty stupid one at that.

Here's another regatta with the same 35s5 Mistral, with the same
skipper. Look in PHRF 8: Mistral had a few good races, but most were
in the bottom of the fleet. You'll notice that this time, they punted
on the final race. In fact, more than half of the fleet didn't bother
to start the last race. Even more wouldn't have bothered, except
that their divisions were contested. I guess that means the Key West
Race Week doesn't attract real racers.

http://www.premiere-racing.com/keywe...2003_RDiv4.htm


RB - who knows nothing about racing
35s5
NY

Jeff wrote:

Here's another regatta with the same 35s5 Mistral, with the same
skipper. Look in PHRF 8: Mistral had a few good races, but most were
in the bottom of the fleet. You'll notice that this time, they punted
on the final race. In fact, more than half of the fleet didn't bother
to start the last race. Even more wouldn't have bothered, except that
their divisions were contested. I guess that means the Key West Race
Week doesn't attract real racers.

http://www.premiere-racing.com/keywe...2003_RDiv4.htm


RB - who knows nothing about racing
35s5
NY

That is kind of a leap in logic. There may be many reasons why many
boats didn't compete. Maybe they had farther to go home? Maybe they
had no wind so they left early. Maybe it was a ****ty regatta. Matbe
they were hung over.
When we organize regattas at our club, there normally are less folks in
the last race not because they throw it out but because they hit the
road and go home etc. The local guys who keep their boats at the club
race every race. The visitors party the last night and head home the day
after, normally when the last race is scheduled.

Gaz

Gary wrote:
Jeff wrote:

Here's another regatta with the same 35s5 Mistral, with the same
skipper. Look in PHRF 8: Mistral had a few good races, but most were
in the bottom of the fleet. You'll notice that this time, they punted
on the final race. In fact, more than half of the fleet didn't bother
to start the last race. Even more wouldn't have bothered, except
that their divisions were contested. I guess that means the Key West
Race Week doesn't attract real racers.

http://www.premiere-racing.com/keywe...2003_RDiv4.htm


RB - who knows nothing about racing
35s5
NY


That is kind of a leap in logic. There may be many reasons why many
boats didn't compete.

Sure there are many reasons, I only listed a few. In fact, the page I
posted listed 7 divisions, and in all there were many DNC's for the
last race. However, when the division was contested, the front
runners stayed around. Obviously, the final race has diminished
importance for many racers.

This post relates to one a month ago, where booby hi-lited a 35s5 win,
when in fact the boat had been trailing the fleet for the entire
regatta. That it won the last race was meaningless, because the real
race was between the frontrunners who wouldn't bother to cover the
last place boat. Booby tried to claim that winning each race was
important, implying that it was more important than winning the regatta.

Maybe they had farther to go home? Maybe they
had no wind so they left early. Maybe it was a ****ty regatta. Matbe
they were hung over.

Actually, this last race was 30+ knots and rather cold for Key West.

When we organize regattas at our club, there normally are less folks in
the last race not because they throw it out but because they hit the
road and go home etc. The local guys who keep their boats at the club
race every race. The visitors party the last night and head home the day
after, normally when the last race is scheduled.

Then booby would claim they're not real racers.


Gaz

Still, I can find far more J29 losses

Well duh, I hope so. They only made about 500 of those things. It
would be easy to find "far more" wins too.

35s5 ........ The only 35 footer with an instructor platform. ROFLOL!

1) If your boat has no swim platform...great for a dinghys, swimming,
family fun and diving...you own JUNK!!!!!!!

Most swim platforms aren't big enough for a real dinghy, and are
actually quite dangerous in anything but a flat, glass-like sea state.

3) If your boat has bunks 6'6 or shorter you own badly designed
JUNK!!!!!

Depends on what you need. I'm only 5'4", so why would I care to own
bunks a foot longer than I am tall... I'd rather have more storage
space than longer bunks. In fact, when on open ocean, large bunks,
like those found on a Bennie 35s5, are often uncomfortable and
dangerous... too much room means you can't secure yourself in rough
conditions. But since you rarely leave the LI Sound, or the dock for
that matter, it probably isn't important to you. What you have/want is
a floating condo, rather than a proper sailboat.

4) If your boat is 30 feet LOA or larger and lacks a proper aft cabin
you own dated JUNK!!!!

Aft cabins can be good, but some are quite poorly implemented. Center
cockpits can be problematic with efficient steering gear.

5) If your boat has a puny wheel sized like the one on a Express 30 or
35 you own JUNK!

Some wheels are oversized because the steering system is poorly
designed, and because of the poor design, a larger wheel is needed to
give you leverage. I personally prefer a tiller. It is more
responsive, and takes up far less room in the cockpit.


7) If your boat has a tiny head with no room you own JUNK!!!!

If you're full of enough sh!t, then the largest head will not have
enough room for you.

8) If your boat's lazerette can't handle a 10' foot dinghy, 5 sail bags
without using half the space you own JUNK!!!!

Again, this is all quite subjective.

Let's face it. Most of you are frauds. You bought cheap crappy boats
(Sloco). Or you caved and bought a Trawler (Doug). Or you gave up and
bought a cat (Jeff). Or you own some slow slug-like beast that can't
sail out it's own way and needs a bow thruster to tack.

What is fraudulent about a catamaran. For some sailing, a multihull
makes far more sense than a monohull. In most cases, the cost of the
boat, the size of the boat, the finish of the furnishings on the boat
have very little to do with the quality of the person sailing the boat.
For someone who has to scream so often about how good your boat is, I
must wonder, what kind of sailor you truly are.

Serious racers want to win regattas. Individual races are not so
important.


Sorry, Jeff. You can't sell that phony bill of goods here, even if the
resident dopes want to back you. NO racer enters any race and tosses it
or takes it lightly. Most are pretty serious folks racing at 7 MPH on
average and want every win. It's 100% hillarious that you claim
otherwise, but then most of what you say is pretty funny....however
unintentionally.


RB
35s5
NY

For some sailing, a multihull
makes far more sense than a monohull.


Yup. For sitting dockside, doing a good mimic of a small motel, a multi
is great. The few we have at our club do exactly that.

RB
35s5
NY

In fact, when on open ocean, large bunks,
like those found on a Bennie 35s5, are often uncomfortable and
dangerous

You are pretty ignorant. Most Beneteau's have the same too-small bunks
found on other junky boats. You don't seem to know that Beneteau builds
several lines of boats, each quite different from the next. The First
series, like the 35s5 are nothing like the Oceanus hulls. The 35s5 was
built for fast sailing, light cruising and club racing. Our intended
usage does not include the racing. Do some research and then we can
talk.

RB
35s5
NY