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The ones I am familiar with call it an after cabin but they are really
just bunked in lazzarettes with a door. Kind of built for the charter
market with 6 folks on a 35 footer.


Except that the aft bunk on the 35s5 is 7 feet long. Most of the boats
out there don't have room for someone over 6 feet to sleep. Doug
doesn't realize that most of the boats on his "list" have poor
accomodations for taller folk.

RB
35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Yes, they all do, except that a number of them may or may
not have aft cabins (but even so would have comparable
accomodation).

No, Doub. An aft cabin is quite different. It generally has a door for
one. It also usually has a larger bunk than a boat with a simple open
quarterberth.
Most of the boats you listed have no swim platform, too much draft and
so on. Why not just list 10 boats that are comparable. You can't even
do that.

RB
35s5
NY

I'd like to see your list of ten boats 34-36 feet long that have more
than 6 feet draft and adhere to the other parameters.

That aft cabin is just a trimmed out storage space only good at anchor.
It would drive you nuts at sea with the on watch walking about right
above your face.

Gaz

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Capt. Rob wrote:
And many do have have aft
cabins, for that matter there are some center cockpit boats
on the list!


Prove it. Post 10 boats with aft cabins and swim platforms that fit the
criteria I posted. So far you've posted boats that you call
"comparable." That's just not the case. An aft cabin is an aft cabin.
Telling us we can build a swim platform doesn't cut it either, Doug.
You struck out.

RB
35s5
NY

Bavaria 36, 35h, 34 (most models)
Beneteau Oceanus 370, Mooring 352, First 35s5 (most models)
Catalina 34
CS 34
Dehler 36 (draft 6.5'
Gib'Sea 36
Hunter 36 Vision, 35.5, 35 (Most models)
Jeanneau Sundance 36, Sunrise 35 etc
Northwind 35
Olson 34
Pearson 34-2

In fact it seems that all the boats in that price range and that vintage
were very similar in design.

Pretty much the same stuff over and over again. I guess that is what
the weekend sailors want, floating motorhomes.

Gaz

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Capt. Rob wrote:
The ones I am familiar with call it an after cabin but they are really
just bunked in lazzarettes with a door. Kind of built for the charter
market with 6 folks on a 35 footer.


Except that the aft bunk on the 35s5 is 7 feet long. Most of the boats
out there don't have room for someone over 6 feet to sleep. Doug
doesn't realize that most of the boats on his "list" have poor
accomodations for taller folk.

RB
35s5
NY

I'm 6'6" and all the bunks on my boat are 6'8" and rectangular. Is your
7' length the part behind the companionway ladder or along the longest
part by the hull? .

You won't find bunks like that on a proper yacht.

Gaz
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"The only vehicle that benefits from additional unnecessary
weight is a steam roller." -Uffa Fox


And fork trucks, cranes, excavators, bascule bridges............

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"Commode Joe " wrote


Careful, Crantz. If you corner Doug, he'll quickly shift to
personal attacks and
other distractions. That's his well established M.O.


Commode Joe



But he won't stoop so low as to post your address and phone #,
right?


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

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My 'aft quaterberth' is 9' long. My main bunk in the salon is 8'
long.

What's your point?

SV


"Swab Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The ones I am familiar with call it an after cabin but they are
really
just bunked in lazzarettes with a door. Kind of built for the
charter
market with 6 folks on a 35 footer.


Except that the aft bunk on the 35s5 is 7 feet long. Most of
the boats
out there don't have room for someone over 6 feet to sleep.
Doug
doesn't realize that most of the boats on his "list" have poor
accomodations for taller folk.

RB
35s5
NY

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I'm 6'6" and all the bunks on my boat are 6'8" and rectangular. Is
your
7' length the part behind the companionway ladder or along the longest
part by the hull?


You can see the dimensions here to some degree.

http://www.cuy.org.uk/content/trips/.../35s5-plan.jpg

It's one of the few boats under 40 feet where my wife and I have a
place to sleep together. I could care less what some bozo calls a
"proper yacht." If I can't sleep because most designers are too dumb to
realize that a good night's sleep is more important than making a roomy
salon, then it's junk to me.
A good example of this? The awful Tartan 34 or Sweden 39. If a boat
lacks proper living spaces, it's junk. Period.


RB
35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Hunters aren't built for long term hard sailing. Stuff
starts coming apart.

Utter nonsense....the kind of crap you hear from old dock farts. I
don't care for Hunters one bit, but we've had plenty come through our
yard as transients. Quite a few had been sailed long distances and were
just fine along with their happy owners. In fact I'm selling a Hunter
43 now that has cruised the entire coast and also made a crossing in
the late 90's. She's in A-1 shape. We have a Beneteau 38 here that has
done several crossings and a little Catalina 34 that just came back
from St. Pete's.

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatreviews/hunter28.htm

Pascoe normally reviews powerboats, but he does a few sailboats. I
love comments like:

"A winged, bulbous keel? Ought to be fun trying to get unstuck when
you run aground in this one. Especially in mud. The bottom of the
thing is shaped like a giant suction cup...Fads are cool, until you
find out that's all it is."

"Some people don't think that a weak hull on a boat is much to be
concerned about. The attitude is that as long as it doesn't fail under
normal conditions, then its okay. My view on that is that people who
hold that attitude have never been out to sea in a storm. I've sail
raced all over North American, and I've seen my share of hull
failures, including some that have cost lives. In one case, a knock
down with the spinnaker up resulted in the deck pulling right off the
hull. In another, the hull side caved in when hit by a wave broadside.
And these boats were built far better than the Hunter 28. Of course,
many people rationalize by saying that they only go sailing on nice
days. Okay, its you're life. But add to this the fact that this very
thin bottom was badly blistered and you have plenty of reasons to take
a pass on the Hunter 28."

"The fiberglass content of the hull is about as little as it could be
without falling apart. The hull bottom was so thin that it frightened
me. In just about any place there wasn't a frame, you could push in
the bottom with your thumb. Tapping on it with a hammer, it would
vibrate. In the unsupported aft quarters, it dimpled as easily as an
oil can."


MOST production boats can go anywhere with a little prep and the owners
will come apart long before the boat will. Note that Doug is a
powerboater now. Nuff said.

http://www.beneteau235.com/f235_rudder.htm
nuff said.



RB - used boat salesman
nuff said
NY

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"Ericson 38-2 SD"

what does the "-2 SD" indicate ??

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http://www.beneteau235.com/f235_rudder.htm
nuff said.


I don't own a 235. But I do own a First 35s5, a boat that won boat of
the year, design awards and is a proven offshore sailor.
C&C, Pearson, even Valiant made boats with some serious problems. Are
you aware of the Pearson deck problems on the Wanderers and Tridents?
Are you aware of the C&C keel problems? Did you know that Valiant had a
run of VERY serious blister problems.
All bad boats, right Jeff?
Still can't find a PDQ that went around the world like the 35s5. Wonder
why...


RB
35s5
NY

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thanx Commorore......

"likely a 38-200"