"Joe" wrote in message
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Everything America leads the world requires the workforce be highly
education.

You mean highly educated right?

No, education.


Education drives unions and low skilled labor away. Send jobs for
the ignorant to China

Right , you think the Chinese are stupid and un-educated?

As long as they stay in factory jobs.

Your in for a rude awakening, I know of many high tech products being
designed on US software by Chinese optical engineers in china for US
made products. Why pay a Phd or Master's degreed engineer here 150K
when you can find one in China for 30K.

Engineers in the US don't make 150K with either a PhD or Masters. In fact,
engineers salaries remain pretty flat after 5 years. So what are these high
tech products? What is the software?

It's not a question of pay. It's a question of productivity. If I pay an
engineer in China 30K and he produces 1M$ of value, and I pay a US engineer
150K and he produces 2M$ of value, which engineer provides the most
production? Which engineer provides the greatest return on investment? Which
is the better engineer to hire?



keep the commies stupid.


I'm not worried at all. America will always be first in the hardest,
most
sophisticated industrial arenas.

Until all of our bright kids are working at Home-Depot or Burger King
because they can not find work here.

There's plenty of work for bright kids. Smart lawyers do well, the medical
field is going gang busters. There are too many engineers in this country.
We could use about 1/3 - 1/2 as many. Why is it that everyone believes smart
kids should study science and math? All the smart kids I know that studied
science and math and are now grown up are telling their kids to avoid
engineering and science careers.



Why? Because bean counting became priorty over making sure we remainded
the leader by training and fostering design and engineering here.

What is so important about fostering design and engineering here in the US?
If it is important, increase the pay for engineers. The high paying jobs are
in finance and lawyering. Good God, entry level nurses make more than
engineers with a decade of experience.

It's
not just grunt labor anymore Bob.

Engineers are treated like grunt labor. Layoffs every few years, abuse of
overtime (60-80 hour work weeks), reduction in benefits, no continuing
education, if you are over 35 you are toast. The IT guys have it even worse.

Look at America's highest paid groups:

Movie stars/ entertainers: generally high school education, only Bill Cosby
has PhD.

Athletes: college educated, usually in some goof ball major.

Corporate CEO's : some are educated, Bill Gates did not finish college.
Education is not really a factor.

So why would someone who is smart want to work so hard for relatively so
little? An experienced engineer may make 1.5 - 2 times what the UPS guy
makes with no overtime pay and work 60 hours/week. An
entertainer/athlete/CEO makes 10-500 times what an engineer makes for the
same work hours.

America needs less engineers and scientists.


Joe