"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message

SNIP TIRADE OF IDIOCY

My 1986 C&C has the original glued in windows and they have never leaked.
I've
had two knockdowns onto the starboard side.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha......

You're a complete Goofball....

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Well let's see how the tally is going.....

The 35s5 has a big proper racing wheel.

The 35s5 has floorboards that creak!!!


Regards


Donal
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Nonsense. Car marketing departments always claim their cars have "roll
cage
construction". It's essentially puffery.


I'm afraid you're wrong about this. Not only does the Subaru have
integral roll members, it has more than one. It also has a frame much
stronger than the original Outback chassis, since they plan to add a
lot more HP down the road.

My 1986 C&C has the original glued in windows and they have never
leaked. I've
had two knockdowns onto the starboard side.

My C&C 32 required all new windows. The buyer (when we sold her) had
looked at a lot of boats at many had window issues. Fixing those
windows, which have no external flange on bracing, was a common topic
on Sailnet for years. Steve's Express also required new windows. It's a
common issue on the C&C boats and one I'm happy to leave behind.
BTW, aprox 70% of cars and SUV's in production can support 2 times
their weight or better on the roof.

RB
35s5
NY

The 35s5 has a big proper racing wheel.

The 35s5 has floorboards that creak!!!


They are about as well fit as my old C&C 32 and better fit than any of
the new Beneteau's I've been aboard over the last few years.


RB
35s5
NY

Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:
On 10 Dec 2005 07:02:22 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Go check out the windshield in your Tribeca, Rob! It is heavily
depended upon
for supporting the roof in a rollover. See how it's fastened?


Actually, the B9 frame can support twice it's weight in a rollover due
to circular members incorporated into the chassis. The for and aft
windows are designed to pop out.

Nonsense. Car marketing departments always claim their cars have "roll cage
construction". It's essentially puffery. When I bought a brand new Pontiac
Firebird 400 H.O. convertible in 1969, the salesman told me that the frame
around the windshield was an effective rollbar! A meaningful roll cage would
not fit in the space allowed between the skin and the headliner. All they are
saying, is that the roof is supported by ribs - just like every other car with a
hardtop. Supporting twice it's weight is really nothing in the context of a
rollover, where the force exerted will likely be many, many times that.

The idea that your car's windshield is "designed" to pop out is laughable in the
age of airbags. It's like yelling "Sit" at a dog who is already sitting, to make
it look like it was your idea. If your windshield is prone to popping out in
accidents, it is a serious design flaw. It was not intentional! In the 60's and
70's, Saab and a handful of others designed windshields that would pop out if
your head struck them hard enough. Saab also designed engine mounts so that in a
front end collision, the engine would go up over you, and kill your kids in the
back seat instead. Nobody does pop-out windshields any longer, as shoulder belts
and airbags completely eliminate the need. Meanwhile, windshields are
universally part of the design of cars for integral rollover protection. Not
just some cars. ALL cars legal for sale in the US.

Your Beneteau makes use of a lot of modern adhesives for structural integrity.
So do more and more boats and cars. Welding and bolting are passe, and no longer
cost effective in many applications where the right adhesive is far superior and
cheaper to use than mechanical fasteners. If you could brag that your new boat
had "All modern adhesive construction with no mechanical fasteners", now, THAT
would be noteworthy.

If you ever have the windshield in your Tribeca replaced, you will be told that
you cannot drive the car for an hour or more. If you ask why, they will say it
is purely due to the fact that if you were to pull out of the parking lot and
get into an accident resulting in a rollover, you would not be properly
protected, and the installer does not want to be responsible. Other than that
factor, you could drive away immediately with no ill effect on the windshield or
its installation.

Your windshield is a vital structural element of your Tribeca, and it is glued
in place, with essentially the same system used on the old C&C's and Expresses.

My 1986 C&C has the original glued in windows and they have never leaked. I've
had two knockdowns onto the starboard side.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

CJR:

You are exactly correct about the rollover protection. According to
this:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...standards.html

Capt. Rob's Tribeca does not have adequate roll over protection and
would not meet the new standard of 2.5 times car weight. The Tribeca is
not a Volvo and it's pretty ugly too.

Bret

You're only seeing a little bit of history here. For years, Sloco
has
been going on about his Express 30 being faster or newer or god knows
what.

Absolute balderdash.

Your Beneteau makes use of a lot of modern adhesives for structural
integrity.

Crap they used to use rivets. Yes, Beneteau was slammed for years for
using rivets on the deck to hull joint. What a builder.

"Commode Joe " wrote in message
My 1986 C&C has the original glued in windows and they have
never leaked. I've
had two knockdowns onto the starboard side.

Were you 'snapping a tack' at the time?

SV

"Swab Rob" wrote ...

Finishing off my book, playing with my beatiful son, spending
time with
by sexy wife.....

It's spelled, ''bi-sexual''.

Scotty

What's more telling is that a Olson 911S which is a 30 footer that's
only a little bit newer than mine and has a beautiful interior that
makes it a great dual purpose boat HAS THE SAME PHRF RATING AS YOUR
BOAT.


I assume you mean the failed boat picked up by Ericson after Pacific
went under. The interior is nicer than yours, but it's still nowhere
near what we have now. The 911s looks to be a better pick for you. Why
didn't you buy one instead of the depress 30. It's also a better
looking boat than yours by a wide mile!


RB
35s5
NY