![]() |
|
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Mid-Boom Sheeting 1/05/2003
While many racers prefer the load advantages from end-boom sheeting relative to the mainsheet, end boom sheeting offers no real performance advantages. Some racers advocate mid-boom sheeting on more modern designs because vang adjustment, while still required, is less critical. A boat snapping off a tack may find a proper set sooner than a boat with end boom sheeting that also requires more dramatic vang implementation. This may sound trivial, but serious races are all about the 1/2 second advantages afforded by better designed gear. On the other hand, a greater number of blocks may also slow sheeting times. Thus far, the vast majority of hardcore race boats are fitted with end-boom sheeting. For the cruiser racer, the mid-boom sheeting is the clear winner. It clears the cockpit and is far more friendly to guests and young children. RB 35s5 NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"Capt. Rob" wrote
While many racers prefer .... ...... This may sound trivial, but serious races are all about the 1/2 second advantages ..... Two important things happened back in the 1960's. Roe vs Wade legalized abortion and birth control and intellegent people began limiting the number of children they produced. This meant that relatively fewer intellegent children were born. Simultaniously, LBJ's Aid to Dependent Children (ADC) program began paying stupid folk, village idiots, and others with defective genes, to have as many offspring like themselves as possible. The two quickly produced a big "hump" on the low side of the IQ bell curve with the effect that the whole US population has been "dumbing down" for almost 50 years. The results are plain to see - the resurgence of fundamental religion, the triumphs of faith over reason and logic, the election and reelection of politicians like Bush, and the popularity of racing things like lawn mowers, stock cars and sail boats. |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Oh dear.....! Bad news, Ozzy. I didn't reveal the source of that text for a reason. You don't agree with it? Please outline for everyone what aspect of the comments on mid-boom sheeting are not accurate. This is your big chance! RB 35s5 NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message For the cruiser racer, the mid-boom sheeting is the clear winner. It clears the cockpit and is far more friendly to guests and young children. That's a design shortfall... not a safety feature. CM |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"Capt" Rob" wrote-
For the cruiser racer, the mid-boom sheeting is the clear winner. No it isn't. It puts more strain on the rig and gives less leverage to the trimmer. Mid-boom sheeting is a holdover from the bad old days of the IOR rule when racers all had tiny mainsails with very short, downward-sloping (negative stive) booms. The mainsheet could be over the companionway and still be at (or close to) the end of the boom for good leverage. .... It clears the cockpit and is far more friendly to guests and young children. Capt.Mooron wrote: That's a design shortfall... not a safety feature. Oh yes, it *is* a safety feature if you assume that the sailor in question will always be too clumsy to keep clear of the mainsheet and too stupid to learn to handle it properly. DSK |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"DSK" wrote in message Oh yes, it *is* a safety feature if you assume that the sailor in question will always be too clumsy to keep clear of the mainsheet and too stupid to learn to handle it properly. I'll refer you to the "Boom Gallows"..... CM |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
DSK wrote:
"Capt" Rob" wrote- For the cruiser racer, the mid-boom sheeting is the clear winner. No it isn't. It puts more strain on the rig and gives less leverage to the trimmer. Mid-boom sheeting is a holdover from the bad old days of the IOR rule when racers all had tiny mainsails with very short, downward-sloping (negative stive) booms. The mainsheet could be over the companionway and still be at (or close to) the end of the boom for good leverage. .... It clears the cockpit and is far more friendly to guests and young children. Capt.Mooron wrote: That's a design shortfall... not a safety feature. Oh yes, it *is* a safety feature if you assume that the sailor in question will always be too clumsy to keep clear of the mainsheet and too stupid to learn to handle it properly. DSK Of course we could just Hunterize the main sheet and have end boom to over cockpit arch to get the best of everything? |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Capt.Mooron wrote:
I'll refer you to the "Boom Gallows"..... Does that make this Boom Gallows Humor? DSK |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Gary wrote:
Of course we could just Hunterize the main sheet and have end boom to over cockpit arch to get the best of everything? Actually, I like that idea and have seen a couple of boats (not Hunters) where the idea was well implemented. DSK |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"Gary" wrote in message Of course we could just Hunterize the main sheet and have end boom to over cockpit arch to get the best of everything? Shame when design flaws delegate what should be a boom gallows to nothing more than a flimsy, rakish, equipment arch. It's the "look fast - go nowhere" theme of modern sailboat design. CM CM |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
The two
quickly produced a big "hump" on the low side of the IQ bell curve with the effect that the whole US population has been "dumbing down" for almost 50 years. The results are plain to see - the resurgence of fundamental religion, the triumphs of faith over reason and logic, the election and reelection of politicians like Bush, and the popularity of racing things like lawn mowers, stock cars and sail boats Nah, racing sailboats was a lot more popular back in the old days... not as much going on. I'm serious. News reports of the day indicate that sailboat races used to draw big crowds along the shore and in spectator boats... I guess a comparison to modern times would be if there was a "Grass Growing" cable channel... Dave wrote: One major problem with your analysis, Vito. The folks in that hump on the low side of the IQ curve vote overwhelmingly Democrat. You mean like the ones who were persuaded to vote for President Bush because of his church-distributed pamphlets explaining that Kerry was going to outlaw the Bible and make teaching homosexuality mandatory in public schools? DSK |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message news:R7Ylf.235612$ir4.194782@edtnps90... "Gary" wrote in message Of course we could just Hunterize the main sheet and have end boom to over cockpit arch to get the best of everything? Shame when design flaws delegate what should be a boom gallows to nothing more than a flimsy, rakish, equipment arch. It's the "look fast - go nowhere" theme of modern sailboat design. CM CM No, it's a spoiler! Hundreds of pounds of downward force to level out the boat as it goes into semi-plane mode. Amen! |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:08:57 -0500, "Vito" said: The two quickly produced a big "hump" on the low side of the IQ bell curve with the effect that the whole US population has been "dumbing down" for almost 50 years. The results are plain to see - the resurgence of fundamental religion, the triumphs of faith over reason and logic, the election and reelection of politicians like Bush, and the popularity of racing things like lawn mowers, stock cars and sail boats One major problem with your analysis, Vito. The folks in that hump on the low side of the IQ curve vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Why shouldn't they vote Democrat? It's the party of handouts and when the government has the power to rob Peter to pay Paul you can always count on Paul's vote. Enforce the Constitution. Get the Federal Government out of schools, healthcare, housing, the workplace, the bedroom, the library, etc. "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is "needed" before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' "interests", I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can. " Amen! |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Gary wrote:
clears the cockpit and is far more friendly to guests and young children. Capt.Mooron wrote: That's a design shortfall... not a safety feature. Oh yes, it *is* a safety feature if you assume that the sailor in question will always be too clumsy to keep clear of the mainsheet and too stupid to learn to handle it properly. DSK Of course we could just Hunterize the main sheet and have end boom to over cockpit arch to get the best of everything? Or a hardtop or pilothouse. |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
No it isn't. It puts more strain on the rig and gives less
leverage to the trimmer. Leverage problem is easily solved with more purchase. Swan seems to think it works! So did C&C, Sweden...would like to see a list of pricey boats you wish you could own with mid-boom sheeting? How about a Shannon 43? How about a Swan 48? How about a nice new C&C 121? Good work Doug! And just to make things "clear" for you (cuz you truly are dumber than rock salt), I'm in now way suggesting that mid boom/coach roof sheeting is "best" only that it's a perfectly fine alternative employed on many fine yachts. Perhaps you'll own one someday and follow in my footsteps! RB 35s5 NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
sailor in question will always be too clumsy to keep clear
of the mainsheet and too stupid to learn to handle it properly. Yeah! Damn those 18 month old toddlers! A finger crushed in the traveler will learn 'em! Best put 'em in a straightjacket and keep them safe! Doug, you are truly stupid...I mean...TRULY stupid. RB 35s5 NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"Dave" wrote in message
... On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:08:57 -0500, "Vito" said: The two quickly produced a big "hump" on the low side of the IQ bell curve with the effect that the whole US population has been "dumbing down" for almost 50 years. The results are plain to see - the resurgence of fundamental religion, the triumphs of faith over reason and logic, the election and reelection of politicians like Bush, and the popularity of racing things like lawn mowers, stock cars and sail boats One major problem with your analysis, Vito. The folks in that hump on the low side of the IQ curve vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Sure, and watch NASCAR and race their sail boats and .... |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
No it isn't. It puts more strain on the rig and gives less
leverage to the trimmer. "Capt" Rob wrote: Leverage problem is easily solved with more purchase. Except that then you need more blocks & longer line ... Swan seems to think it works! So did C&C, Sweden... Like I said... it was a common arrangement back in the days of boats that were driven primarily by genoa and had small main sails with short booms. ... would like to see a list of pricey boats you wish you could own with mid-boom sheeting? How about a Shannon 43? How about a Swan 48? How about a nice new C&C 121? Actually, the Swan and the C&C 121 have mid-boom sheeting as an option, and it's not one that would be chosen by a serious sailor for the reasons I've already given. I don't know about the Shannon 43 but it's not a performance boat by any stretch of the imagination. .... Perhaps you'll own one someday and follow in my footsteps! I don't think so. Sailing is a lot more fun. try it some time. DSK |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Except that then you need more blocks & longer line
So? For a family boat this doesn't make sense to you? Hey, I see it on the new Tartan boats! They're all junk! Doug, you are truly a dope! I notice you had no comment about the toddler safety issue and the original comment is from The Handbook of Sailing. Buh bye! RB 35s5 NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message the original comment is from The Handbook of Sailing. Buh bye! The Hand Book of Sailing???.... sounds like they stole the title from your book ..... "The Hand-Job of Sailing" CM |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
sounds like they stole the title from your
book ..... "The Hand-Job of Sailing" Did it just get cold in here??? Brrrrr! RB 35s5 NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... sounds like they stole the title from your book ..... "The Hand-Job of Sailing" Did it just get cold in here??? Brrrrr! Oh Great!... I hope this doesn't mean you'll be quoting "Chilly Willy" now! CM |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Bob Crantz wrote:
"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message news:R7Ylf.235612$ir4.194782@edtnps90... "Gary" wrote in message Of course we could just Hunterize the main sheet and have end boom to over cockpit arch to get the best of everything? Shame when design flaws delegate what should be a boom gallows to nothing more than a flimsy, rakish, equipment arch. It's the "look fast - go nowhere" theme of modern sailboat design. CM CM No, it's a spoiler! Hundreds of pounds of downward force to level out the boat as it goes into semi-plane mode. Amen! It would have to be upward force |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Only if your traveler system is mounted on top of your deck house...
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Mid-Boom Sheeting 1/05/2003 While many racers prefer the load advantages from end-boom sheeting relative to the mainsheet, end boom sheeting offers no real performance advantages. Some racers advocate mid-boom sheeting on more modern designs because vang adjustment, while still required, is less critical. A boat snapping off a tack may find a proper set sooner than a boat with end boom sheeting that also requires more dramatic vang implementation. This may sound trivial, but serious races are all about the 1/2 second advantages afforded by better designed gear. On the other hand, a greater number of blocks may also slow sheeting times. Thus far, the vast majority of hardcore race boats are fitted with end-boom sheeting. For the cruiser racer, the mid-boom sheeting is the clear winner. It clears the cockpit and is far more friendly to guests and young children. RB 35s5 NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Some racers advocate mid-boom sheeting on more modern
designs because vang adjustment, while still required, is less critical. A boat snapping off a tack may find a proper set sooner than a boat with end boom sheeting that also requires more dramatic vang implementation. . Utter bull****. I haven't seen any new race boats with coach roof travelers. Secondly, any boat that's "snapping off a tack" (never heard the phrase) is sailing upwind I assume and wouldn't be using the vang anyway. What a dope! No wonder the 35s5 is always at the back of the pack. |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Secondly, any boat that's "snapping off a tack" (never
heard the phrase) is sailing upwind I assume and wouldn't be using the vang anyway. I no longer believe that Sloco even races. How far off the wind do you have to be before it's NOT a tack and is a vang ever used on that point of sail? Of course you never heard the term as it's used by professional racers. Something tells me I'd beat Sloco in a race with just my main up! RB 35s5 NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Capt. Rob wrote:
I no longer believe that Sloco even races. How far off the wind do you have to be before it's NOT a tack and is a vang ever used on that point of sail? Of course you never heard the term as it's used by professional racers. So, what does "snap off a tack" mean? In what way is it different from "a tack"? -- Capt Scumbalino |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
So, what does "snap off a tack" mean? In what way is it different from
"a tack"? Snap off a tack as in "as fast as possible" so as not to lose boat speed. Not just a racing term. It's certainly used here and when I was sailing in FL last month. RB 35s5 NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Capt. Rob wrote:
Snap off a tack as in "as fast as possible" so as not to lose boat speed. Not just a racing term. It's certainly used here and when I was sailing in FL last month. But only by professional sailors, right? -- Capt Scumbalino |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote: So, what does "snap off a tack" mean? In what way is it different from "a tack"? Snap off a tack as in "as fast as possible" so as not to lose boat speed. Not just a racing term. It's certainly used here and when I was sailing in FL last month. I've heard "snap tack" but not "snap off a tack," unless you're talking about some strange attempt to convey the desire to do an efficient tack or American English isn't your native language. I might say, "let's do a snap tack." I might say, "let's do a snappy tack." I would never say say, "let's snap off a tack." -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Which means one other yokrl said it, BS thought it sounded cook, so he
adopted it... "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... So, what does "snap off a tack" mean? In what way is it different from "a tack"? Snap off a tack as in "as fast as possible" so as not to lose boat speed. Not just a racing term. It's certainly used here and when I was sailing in FL last month. RB 35s5 NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
The Boob looks like a ****** on every thread.
|
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Only a few important points you forgot to mention.
1) Mid-boom sheeting requires larger main sheet gear as you have less leverage compared to end-boom sheeting. 2) The forces on the main sheet are generally higher and the boom is far more susceptible to breakage, as the outer end of the boom is essentially unsupported and the mid-sheet mounting weakens the boom where it is attached. 3) Prevents the use of boom roller furling gear for the mainsail. On 2005-12-08 07:23:02 -0500, "Capt. Rob" said: . For the cruiser racer, the mid-boom sheeting is the clear winner. It clears the cockpit and is far more friendly to guests and young children |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Only a few important points you forgot to mention.
1) Mid-boom sheeting requires larger main sheet gear as you have less leverage compared to end-boom sheeting. Yeah, so? You add more main sheet gear. 2) The forces on the main sheet are generally higher and the boom is far more susceptible to breakage, as the outer end of the boom is essentially unsupported and the mid-sheet mounting weakens the boom where it is attached. I can't find a single instance of a boom breaking (outside of really old boats like Neal's) from this arrangement. Like a deck stepped mast, cable based steering system or RF sails, it can all work well when designed properly. 3) Prevents the use of boom roller furling gear for the mainsail. I've seen mid boom sheeting on in boom reefing mains. That said, after sailing three boats over the last two seasons with in boom and in mast reefing, I wouldn't want it. RB 35s5...the greatest boat here! NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
"Swab Rob" wrote That said, after sailing three miles over the last two seasons.... RB Tribecky...built for lesbians, bi lesbians NY |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
My thoughts exactly!
OzOne wrote "Swabbie Robbie" scribbled thusly: Mid-Boom Sheeting 1/05/2003 While many racers prefer the load advantages from end-boom sheeting relative to the mainsheet, end boom sheeting offers no real performance advantages. Some racers advocate mid-boom sheeting on more modern designs because vang adjustment, while still required, is less critical. A boat snapping off a tack may find a proper set sooner than a boat with end boom sheeting that also requires more dramatic vang implementation. This may sound trivial, but serious races are all about the 1/2 second advantages afforded by better designed gear. On the other hand, a greater number of blocks may also slow sheeting times. Thus far, the vast majority of hardcore race boats are fitted with end-boom sheeting. For the cruiser racer, the mid-boom sheeting is the clear winner. It clears the cockpit and is far more friendly to guests and young children. RB Oh dear.....! Oz1...of the 3 twins. |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
I would definately want a boom brake with
end boom sheeting--in fact I'd want one anyway. "Capt.Mooron" wrote "DSK" wrote in message Oh yes, it *is* a safety feature if you assume that the sailor in question will always be too clumsy to keep clear of the mainsheet and too stupid to learn to handle it properly. I'll refer you to the "Boom Gallows"..... CM |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
Jeff, What is the length of your traveller?
"Jeff" wrote Or a hardtop or pilothouse. |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
That is why the liberals don't need a platform, logic,
or common sense, and have to resort to sniping.. "Dave" wrote One major problem with your analysis, Vito. The folks in that hump on the low side of the IQ curve vote overwhelmingly Democrat. |
Mid-Boom Sheeting
dog wrote:
Only a few important points you forgot to mention. 1) Mid-boom sheeting requires larger main sheet gear as you have less leverage compared to end-boom sheeting. 2) The forces on the main sheet are generally higher and the boom is far more susceptible to breakage, as the outer end of the boom is essentially unsupported and the mid-sheet mounting weakens the boom where it is attached. Not normally a problem as the points where the sheeting system connects to the boom are normally spread out ( on my boat over 2 feet) 3) Prevents the use of boom roller furling gear for the mainsail. Lots of boat with mid boom sheeting have inside boom furling as for the old roller reefing, who has that anymore? On 2005-12-08 07:23:02 -0500, "Capt. Rob" said: . For the cruiser racer, the mid-boom sheeting is the clear winner. It clears the cockpit and is far more friendly to guests and young children It seems to me that whatever system you have, provided it is properly designed should be fine. I prefer to have mid boom because it keeps the sheet up high at the forward end of the cockpit and out of the way of the way. On a big boat it makes dodgers and biminis etc less complicated. In a small boat it makes ducking the boom less traumatic. |
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:54 PM. |
|
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com