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Jeff December 11th 05 05:45 PM

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Bart Senior wrote:
Jeff, What is the length of your traveller?

"Jeff" wrote

Or a hardtop or pilothouse.



I never measured it. Maybe 8 feet. Here's a pic:

http://www.pdqyachts.com/ver2/yachts.../ca-stern.html

The early versions, without the hardtop and the davit/bench, had the
traveler on the deck, effectively running through the after cockpit
seats. This new setup was one of the reasons we got a new boat
instead of used.

Jonathan Ganz December 11th 05 06:36 PM

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In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
That is why the liberals don't need a platform, logic,
or common sense, and have to resort to sniping..

"Dave" wrote

One major problem with your analysis, Vito. The folks in that hump on the
low side of the IQ curve vote overwhelmingly Democrat.


Please show us how the liberals in any way compare to the Swift Boat
Liars run by Cheney and Libby.



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Thom Stewart December 11th 05 06:50 PM

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I've been waiting for some one to mention the real advantage of "End
boom sheeting," no one has.

End sheeting give you Leech control without changing draft. A rather
important condition for a racer.

Nutsy, a multi hull doesn't tack fast, it sails into & thru a tack as
much as possible, to get both hull across the wind.

A "Snap Tack" @ Snap Roll tack is a light air thing, to use the motion
of the sail to create forward motion to the vessel. It is basically a
small craft technique. Not allowed in most racing circles.

Bart; A Cruising Vang/preventer set-up is probably a better set-up than
a "Boom Brake" I use both types of vangs. The preventer allows me the
option of sailing "By the Lee" with the main while Wing on Winging.



http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage


Gary December 13th 05 01:13 AM

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Thom Stewart wrote:
I've been waiting for some one to mention the real advantage of "End
boom sheeting," no one has.

End sheeting give you Leech control without changing draft. A rather
important condition for a racer.

Only if the mid boom sheeting boom has a flex problem. Otherwise the
control is the same.

Nutsy, a multi hull doesn't tack fast, it sails into & thru a tack as
much as possible, to get both hull across the wind.

A "Snap Tack" @ Snap Roll tack is a light air thing, to use the motion
of the sail to create forward motion to the vessel. It is basically a
small craft technique. Not allowed in most racing circles.

Bart; A Cruising Vang/preventer set-up is probably a better set-up than
a "Boom Brake" I use both types of vangs. The preventer allows me the
option of sailing "By the Lee" with the main while Wing on Winging.



http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage


Thom Stewart December 13th 05 03:29 AM

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Gary,

I believe most booms have enough flex in them to make a vang a
reasonable adjustment. I know mine does, and I have mid-boom sheeting.
Also a free footed main. So my vang is basically an anti lifting device
used off the wind but I can get enough bend to shorten the distance
between Tack & Clew to get enough increase in draft without adjusting
the out haul.

The leech does kind of go loose as I go off the wind. I lose the upper
part the main. I've been known to add the preventer to act as a barbar
hayl to reduce the twist and get the tell tales flying. (One man's
observation)



http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage


Gary December 13th 05 03:53 AM

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Thom Stewart wrote:
Gary,

I believe most booms have enough flex in them to make a vang a
reasonable adjustment. I know mine does, and I have mid-boom sheeting.
Also a free footed main. So my vang is basically an anti lifting device
used off the wind but I can get enough bend to shorten the distance
between Tack & Clew to get enough increase in draft without adjusting
the out haul.

The leech does kind of go loose as I go off the wind. I lose the upper
part the main. I've been known to add the preventer to act as a barbar
hayl to reduce the twist and get the tell tales flying. (One man's
observation)



http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Thom,
I think that the terms "end boom" and "mid boom" are too vague. The
mid boom sheeting is rarely mid boom and some times quite close to the
end. Mine, for example, has about 30 feet of boom ahead of the sheet
and 5 behind on one boat and on the other the proportions are about the
same.

All vangs are antilifting devices. They are supposed to start working
where the traveler becomes less efficient. Of course the pressure on
the sail is different when running and the boom may lift a little unless
the vang and boom are very strong and flex free. Different aerodynamics
- wing versus wall. I use my vang as a pre-vang by running it to the
deck at the shrouds and can keep the leech very tight.


Bart Senior December 13th 05 07:24 AM

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Ask any Vietnam Vet what he thinks about a man who
served a tour of only four months. Everyone who
went to VN served for a tour of one year.

Kerry is a coward and held in contempt among most
people in the military.

Now my friend Bill is one person who served only
a four month tour. But it was a second tour, and he
came back on a litter with a bullet in his spine unable
to walk for a long time...



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Bart Senior .@. wrote:
That is why the liberals don't need a platform, logic,
or common sense, and have to resort to sniping..

"Dave" wrote

One major problem with your analysis, Vito. The folks in that hump on
the
low side of the IQ curve vote overwhelmingly Democrat.


Please show us how the liberals in any way compare to the Swift Boat
Liars run by Cheney and Libby.

"j" ganz @@




Jonathan Ganz December 13th 05 10:15 PM

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In article , Bart Senior .@. wrote:
Ask any Vietnam Vet what he thinks about a man who
served a tour of only four months. Everyone who
went to VN served for a tour of one year.

Kerry is a coward and held in contempt among most
people in the military.

Now my friend Bill is one person who served only
a four month tour. But it was a second tour, and he
came back on a litter with a bullet in his spine unable
to walk for a long time...


That's total bull**** and you know it. Kerry is a hero and he was
awarded for it.

You can keep playing that same old soong, but it doesn't wash. Bush
was and is a cheat and a liar for not finishing his service.
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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



rgnmstr December 14th 05 01:44 AM

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That's total bull**** and you know it. Kerry is a hero and he was
awarded for it.

Too bad he won't release his service records to show how, whom and why
he was awarded his medals. Superior officers who Kerry served under
have stated that they refused Kerrys requests for medals.


Gary December 14th 05 04:48 AM

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rgnmstr wrote:
That's total bull**** and you know it. Kerry is a hero and he was
awarded for it.

Too bad he won't release his service records to show how, whom and why
he was awarded his medals. Superior officers who Kerry served under
have stated that they refused Kerrys requests for medals.

In what military do servicemen request medals?

rgnmstr December 14th 05 06:17 AM

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In what military do servicemen request medals?

In Kerry's military. He came back from his first shootout with a
scratch on his arm. He submitted his fire report and asked his
commander to put in the paperwork for a Purple Heart. His commander
refused and later on was dumbfounded when Kerry was awarded the medal.
This is well documented.


DSK December 14th 05 03:53 PM

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In what military do servicemen request medals?

rgnmstr wrote:
In Kerry's military. He came back from his first shootout with a
scratch on his arm. He submitted his fire report and asked his
commander to put in the paperwork for a Purple Heart. His commander
refused and later on was dumbfounded when Kerry was awarded the medal.
This is well documented.


Actually, it's not documented at all. It's a pack of lies
intended to convince people like you to vote against Kerry,
and it worked. So relax.

What if Pepsi made a string ofcommercials claiming Coke
gives you cancer? I bet you'd sincerely believe that, too.

DSK


Jonathan Ganz December 14th 05 06:15 PM

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In article ,
DSK wrote:
In what military do servicemen request medals?


rgnmstr wrote:
In Kerry's military. He came back from his first shootout with a
scratch on his arm. He submitted his fire report and asked his
commander to put in the paperwork for a Purple Heart. His commander
refused and later on was dumbfounded when Kerry was awarded the medal.
This is well documented.


Actually, it's not documented at all. It's a pack of lies
intended to convince people like you to vote against Kerry,
and it worked. So relax.

What if Pepsi made a string ofcommercials claiming Coke
gives you cancer? I bet you'd sincerely believe that, too.


Next up, Nixon was an honest guy.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



DSK December 14th 05 06:25 PM

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Actually, it's not documented at all. It's a pack of lies
intended to convince people like you to vote against Kerry,
and it worked. So relax.


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Next up, Nixon was an honest guy.


Of course he was. Didn't he go around stating, "I am not a
crook"?

Hey, all these hard-core right-wing guys who want to lock up
libby-rulls for the sake of freedom are all totally honest &
patriotic. Just ask them! Remember, the Constitution is an
ooutdated document, and only way we can defend freedom in
America is to torture everybody who doesn't agree!

DSK


Jonathan Ganz December 14th 05 06:31 PM

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In article ,
DSK wrote:
Actually, it's not documented at all. It's a pack of lies
intended to convince people like you to vote against Kerry,
and it worked. So relax.


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Next up, Nixon was an honest guy.


Of course he was. Didn't he go around stating, "I am not a
crook"?

Hey, all these hard-core right-wing guys who want to lock up
libby-rulls for the sake of freedom are all totally honest &
patriotic. Just ask them! Remember, the Constitution is an
ooutdated document, and only way we can defend freedom in
America is to torture everybody who doesn't agree!


And, let us not for get Agnew....

"In the United States today, we have more than our share of nattering
nabobs of negativism."

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



rgnmstr December 14th 05 10:20 PM

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Actually, it's not documented at all. It's a pack of lies
intended to convince people like you to vote against Kerry,
and it worked. So relax.

So when the liberal T. Coppel interviewed Kerry's commanding officer on
Nightline I was hearing things? Why won't Kerry release his military
records?


Jonathan Ganz December 14th 05 10:52 PM

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In article .com,
rgnmstr wrote:
Actually, it's not documented at all. It's a pack of lies
intended to convince people like you to vote against Kerry,
and it worked. So relax.

So when the liberal T. Coppel interviewed Kerry's commanding officer on
Nightline I was hearing things? Why won't Kerry release his military
records?


Why won't Bushco stop lying about Iraq?




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz December 14th 05 11:55 PM

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In article ,
Dave wrote:
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 23:12:21 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
said:

Actually, it's not documented at all. It's a pack of lies
intended to convince people like you to vote against Kerry,
and it worked. So relax.

So when the liberal T. Coppel interviewed Kerry's commanding officer on
Nightline I was hearing things? Why won't Kerry release his military
records?

Why won't Bushco stop lying about Iraq?


Refresh my memory... What medals did Bush get for serving in Viet Nam? Where was
Dick Cheney stationed? When Bush was a drunken cokehead wifebeater, did he
inhale?


So I take it both you and Ganz would like to change the subject.


So, I take it that you have nothing to say to defend Bushco.


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



DSK December 15th 05 12:03 AM

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So I take it both you and Ganz would like to change the subject.


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
So, I take it that you have nothing to say to defend Bushco.


Dave, has point, Jon. "Defending BushCo" has nothing to do
with the mendacity of the 'Swift Boat Veterans For (cough)
Truth' advertising campaign.

DSK


Jonathan Ganz December 15th 05 12:33 AM

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In article ,
DSK wrote:
So I take it both you and Ganz would like to change the subject.



Jonathan Ganz wrote:
So, I take it that you have nothing to say to defend Bushco.


Dave, has point, Jon. "Defending BushCo" has nothing to do
with the mendacity of the 'Swift Boat Veterans For (cough)
Truth' advertising campaign.


I believe the thread morphed into Kerry being a coward. I asserted
that he was a hero.

Getting those wackos to attack him is a direct reflection upon Bushco,
who probably got them the traction they needed. That makes Bushco a
bunch of liars, etc.

I was happy to defend Kerry. Why is Dave not happy to defend Bushco?

Or, did I miss something?

Oh course, it really doesn't matter, since Dave has me killfiled. :-)

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Vito December 15th 05 01:42 PM

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Next up, Nixon was an honest guy.

Actually, he was in his own framework, just not in ours.

Democrats had broken into, searched and bugged GOP Headquarters during the
previous campaign and Nixon had lost to JFK only because so many cadavers
had voted 'early and often' in Chicago so he felt justified.

Throuble is he denied Watergate when his 'plumbers' foolishly got caught.
Then he angered J-Edgar's hand picked boi by not promoting him.



Jonathan Ganz December 16th 05 04:15 AM

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In article ,
Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Next up, Nixon was an honest guy.

Actually, he was in his own framework, just not in ours.

Democrats had broken into, searched and bugged GOP Headquarters during the
previous campaign and Nixon had lost to JFK only because so many cadavers
had voted 'early and often' in Chicago so he felt justified.

Throuble is he denied Watergate when his 'plumbers' foolishly got caught.
Then he angered J-Edgar's hand picked boi by not promoting him.


None of this is right, nor should it be tolerated.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz December 20th 05 07:40 PM

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In article .com,
rgnmstr wrote:
That's total bull**** and you know it. Kerry is a hero and he was
awarded for it.

Too bad he won't release his service records to show how, whom and why
he was awarded his medals. Superior officers who Kerry served under
have stated that they refused Kerrys requests for medals.


You mean like Bush denying he skipped out on his duty and didn't serve
one day in country? Or, are you talking about the rest of the chicken
hawks in the Bushco administration?




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




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