"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Why would you buy the first car of a production run. You know it has a
higher probability of a design defect.


I keep suspecting with each post that you know less and less about
cars. The B9 is using a poven engine and a tweaked Outback platform. In
fact, it's just an Outback VDC model with a lot more luxury thrown in.
It's a proven car,

Law of converse accident = The sum of the parts is not the whole. The
components individually may be very good, but the aggregate system is not
field tested very much.

The Outback platform is widened and stretched for the B9. It uses different
tooling, the loading is different, the manufacturing line is different. It
will not be the same as the Outback. So, is the suspension the same? How are
the strut towers made stronger to handle the bigger load? Thicker metal? An
annealing process? Higher kips yield steel? If it is just made bigger, than
it is weaker.

Do you think that if Subaru engineers took the attitude that the car as it
is now is done and perfect (from a zero defect both engineering and
manufacturing standpoint), then Subaru would continue to make great cars?
It's ok you believe it because you buy the car.






Here's our B9 with an Icon theatre system. 3 screens, two DVDs and we
bailed on the NAV because I wanted a portable for the STI as well.
http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/mvideo.jpg

RB
35s5
NY

The Outback platform is widened and stretched for the B9. It uses
different
tooling, the loading is different, the manufacturing line is different.
It
will not be the same as the Outback.


You're right. It exceeded their target for crash tests and owners are
reporting virtually no problems. Every problem that has been reported
on the subie boards was common to the outback VDC 2.5 model as well.
So you've been proven wrong yet again.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...



You're right. It exceeded their target for crash tests and owners are
reporting virtually no problems.

The design then did not take everything into account. It should met the
design goals. Any deviation from that is cause for insufficient design
control.

Every problem that has been reported
on the subie boards was common to the outback VDC 2.5 model as well.

Let's see what you have said:

The owners are reporting virtually no problems.

The problems are common to the VDC 2.5 model as well.


So there are problems. I bet the problems are common to other cars too, ones
not even manufactured by Subaru.

What are the most common problems at 90,000 miles?

2005 Subaru Outback 3.0 R VDC Limited NHTSA Recall ID Number: 04V274000
Recall Date: JUN 09, 2004
Component: AIR BAGS:SIDE/WINDOW
Potential Units Affected: 1987
Summary: THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE CURTAIN AIR BAGS IN CERTAIN VEHICLES
INVOLVED IN THIS CAMPAIGN MAY NOT FULLY DEPLOY RAPIDLY ENOUGH WHEN ACTIVATED
IN A SIDE IMPACT COLLISION. DURING A SIDE IMPACT TEST CONDUCTED BY THE
INSURANCE INSTITUTE FOR HIGHWAY SAFETY (IIHS), THE TEST RESULTS INDICATED
THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE IIHS TEST RESULTS AND THE RESULT OF
SIDE IMPACT TESTS CONDUCTED BY FHI.
Consequence: THIS MAY RESULT IN FAILURE TO PROVIDE THE INTENDED HEAD
PROTECTION, INCREASING THE RISK OF INJURY TO A SEAT OCCUPANT.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDE CURTAIN AIR BAG
MODULES. THE RECALL BEGAN ON JUNE 11, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT
1-800-782-2783. .
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWR02

2004 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 03V303000
Recall Date: AUG 20, 2003
Component: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:TANK ASSEMBLY:FILLER PIPE AND CAP
Potential Units Affected: 7874
Summary: CERTAIN PASSENGER OR SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES MAY HAVE A LOOSE OR OUT
OF POSITION FUEL FILLER HOSE CLAMP.
Consequence: THIS COULD RESULT IN FUEL LEAKAGE. FUEL LEAKAGE IN THE PRESENCE
OF AN IGNITION SOURCE COULD RESULT IN A FIRE.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND TIGHTEN THE CLAMP ON THE FUEL FILLER HOSE.
OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN AUGUST 27, 2003. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT
1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWO-98
2004 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 04V128000
Recall Date: MAR 16, 2004
Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL:CABLES
Potential Units Affected: 127580
Summary: ON CERTAIN PASSENGER SEDANS, WAGONS, AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES,
THE CRUISE CONTROL CABLE COULD COME OUT OF ITS TRACK ON THE CRUISE CONTROL
LEVER AND LODGE ON THE CONTROL LEVER TAB WHEN THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL IS
RELEASED. IF THIS CONDITION OCCURS, THE THROTTLE WILL NOT RETURN TO THE IDLE
POSITION AND WILL REMAIN IN AN OPEN POSITION.
Consequence: IF THIS OCCURS DURING VEHICLE OPERATION, THE DRIVER COULD LOSE
CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL INSTALL A CRUISE CONTROL CABLE RETAINING CLIP TO THE
CRUISE CONTROL LEVER TAB ON THE THROTTLE SHAFT IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE
CRUISE CONTROL CABLE FROM COMING OUT OF ITS TRACK. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN
ON APRIL 12, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWQ-01


2003 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 03V153000
Recall Date: APR 22, 2003
Component: SUSPENSION:REAR
Potential Units Affected: 170000
Summary: THIS RECALL APPLIES TO CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES ORIGINALLY SOLD
IN OR CURRENTLY REGISTERED IN THE STATES OF CONNECTICUT, DELAWARE, ILLINOIS,
INDIANA, IOWA, KENTUCKY, MAINE, MARYLAND, MASSACHUSETTS, MICHIGAN,
MINNESOTA, MISSOURI, NEW HAMPSHIRE, NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, OHIO,
PENNSYLVANIA, RHODE ISLAND, VERMONT, VIRGINIA, WEST VIRGINIA, WISCONSIN, AND
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. CERTAIN REAR SUSPENSION SUBFRAME COMPONENTS WERE
PRODUCED WITH POOR PAINT QUALITY WHICH, AFTER CONTINUED EXPOSURE TO
CORROSIVE ROAD SALTS FOR A PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEARS, COULD RESULT IN RUST-OUT
OF THE COMPONENT AND POSSIBLE BREAKAGE OF THE SUBFRAME.
Consequence: IF SUCH BREAKAGE OCCURS WHILE THE VEHICLE IS BEING OPERATED,
CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE COULD BE AFFECTED, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL CLEAN AND RUST-PROOF THE REAR SUSPENSION SUBFRAME.
OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN JULY 14, 2003. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN
AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE
REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWM-96
2003 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 03V232000
Recall Date: JUN 26, 2003
Component: SUSPENSION:FRONT
Potential Units Affected: 350
Summary: ON SOME PASSENGER AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES ORIGINALLY SOLD IN OR
CURRENTLY REGISTERED IN THE STATES OF CONNECTICUT, DELAWARE, ILLINOIS,
INDIANA, IOWA, KENTUCKY, MAINE, MARYLAND, MASSACHUSETTS, MICHIGAN,
MINNESOTA, MISSOURI, NEW HAMPSHIRE, NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, OHIO,
PENNSYLVANIA, RHODE ISLAND, VERMONT, VIRGINIA, WEST VIRGINIA, WISCONSIN, AND
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, CERTAIN LEFT-HAND FRONT TRANSVERSE LINK COMPONENTS
WERE PRODUCED WITH POOR PAINT QUALITY. IF THE VEHICLE IS OPERATED FORM AN
EXTENSIVE PERIOD IN A SALT-BELT AREA, CONTINUED EXPOSURE TO SALT COULD CAUSE
THE LEFT FRONT TRANSVERSE LINK TO RUST AND EVENTUALLY BREAK.
Consequence: IF THE TRANSVERSE LINK WERE TO BREAK DUE TO RUSTING, CONTROL OF
THE VEHICLE COULD BE AFFECTED WITHOUT PRIOR WARNING, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A
CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL APPLY ANTI-RUST MATERIAL TO THE LEFT FRONT TRANSVERSE
LINK. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN AUGUST 1, 2003. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU
AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWN-97
2003 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 04V128000
Recall Date: MAR 16, 2004
Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL:CABLES
Potential Units Affected: 127580
Summary: ON CERTAIN PASSENGER SEDANS, WAGONS, AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES,
THE CRUISE CONTROL CABLE COULD COME OUT OF ITS TRACK ON THE CRUISE CONTROL
LEVER AND LODGE ON THE CONTROL LEVER TAB WHEN THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL IS
RELEASED. IF THIS CONDITION OCCURS, THE THROTTLE WILL NOT RETURN TO THE IDLE
POSITION AND WILL REMAIN IN AN OPEN POSITION.
Consequence: IF THIS OCCURS DURING VEHICLE OPERATION, THE DRIVER COULD LOSE
CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL INSTALL A CRUISE CONTROL CABLE RETAINING CLIP TO THE
CRUISE CONTROL LEVER TAB ON THE THROTTLE SHAFT IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE
CRUISE CONTROL CABLE FROM COMING OUT OF ITS TRACK. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN
ON APRIL 12, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWQ-01
2003 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 02V282000
Recall Date: OCT 30, 2002
Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
Potential Units Affected: 172564
Summary: CERTAIN SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS WERE PRODUCED WITH AN IMPROPERLY MANUFACTURED
TRANSMISSION PARKING ROD. WHEN THE TRANSMISSION SELECTOR LEVER IS PLACED IN
THE "P" (PARK) POSITION, THE TRANSMISSION PARK MECHANISM, THAT IS INTENDED
TO HOLD YOUR VEHICLE, MAY NOT ENGAGE.
Consequence: THE VEHICLE COULD THEN MOVE/ROLL WITHOUT PRIOR WARNING,
INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION PARKING ROD
ASSEMBLY. OWNER NOTIFICATION JANUARY 8, 2003. AN INTERIM OWNER NOTIFICATION
WILL BE SENT DURING NOVEMBER 2002. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN
AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE
REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWK-94
2003 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 02V235000
Recall Date: SEP 05, 2002
Component: WHEELS
Potential Units Affected: 100
Summary: ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH 6-CYLINDER ENGINES, THE
ALUMINUM WHEELS MAY HAVE AN OFF-CENTER DIAMETER.
Consequence: THIS CAN RESULT IN THE EVENTUAL LOOSENING OF THE WHEEL HUB-NUTS
DURING VEHICLE USAGE, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL REPLACE ALL 4 ALUMINUM WHEELS. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN
SEPTEMBER 12, 2002. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER
ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A
REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC.,
2003 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 02V240000
Recall Date: SEP 13, 2002
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM
Potential Units Affected: 555
Summary: ON CERTAIN SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH
4-CYLINDER ENGINES, THE WATER PUMP PULLEY CENTER HOLE WAS IMPROPERLY
MACHINED.
Consequence: IN SOME INSTANCES, THE INTERFERENCE FIT BETWEEN THE INNER WALL
OF THE PULLEY CENTER HOLE AND THE WATER PUMP DRIVE SHAFT WAS NOT AS TIGHT AS
SPECIFIED IN THE DRAWING SPECIFICATION. THIS COULD RESULT IN THE WATER PUMP
PULLEY DISLODGING FROM THE WATER PUMP SHAFT, WHICH CAN CAUSE SEVERE ENGINE
DAMAGE/SEIZURE DURING VEHICLE USAGE.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE WATER PUMP. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN
SEPTEMBER 12, 2002. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER
ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A
REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC.,

2002 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 03V153000
Recall Date: APR 22, 2003
Component: SUSPENSION:REAR
Potential Units Affected: 170000
Summary: THIS RECALL APPLIES TO CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES ORIGINALLY SOLD
IN OR CURRENTLY REGISTERED IN THE STATES OF CONNECTICUT, DELAWARE, ILLINOIS,
INDIANA, IOWA, KENTUCKY, MAINE, MARYLAND, MASSACHUSETTS, MICHIGAN,
MINNESOTA, MISSOURI, NEW HAMPSHIRE, NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, OHIO,
PENNSYLVANIA, RHODE ISLAND, VERMONT, VIRGINIA, WEST VIRGINIA, WISCONSIN, AND
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. CERTAIN REAR SUSPENSION SUBFRAME COMPONENTS WERE
PRODUCED WITH POOR PAINT QUALITY WHICH, AFTER CONTINUED EXPOSURE TO
CORROSIVE ROAD SALTS FOR A PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEARS, COULD RESULT IN RUST-OUT
OF THE COMPONENT AND POSSIBLE BREAKAGE OF THE SUBFRAME.
Consequence: IF SUCH BREAKAGE OCCURS WHILE THE VEHICLE IS BEING OPERATED,
CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE COULD BE AFFECTED, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL CLEAN AND RUST-PROOF THE REAR SUSPENSION SUBFRAME.
OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN JULY 14, 2003. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN
AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE
REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWM-96
2002 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 02V079000
Recall Date: MAR 12, 2002
Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:MASTER CYLINDER
Potential Units Affected: 1252
Summary: ON CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES, THE BRAKE MASTER CYLINDERS MAY NOT
FUNCTION PROPERLY IN AMBIENT TEMPERATURES BELOW FREEZING 32 DEGREES
FAHRENHEIT AND LOWER).
Consequence: AT THESE TEMPERATURES, THE BRAKES MAY NOT RELEASE AFTER BEING
APPLIED, EVEN WHEN THE DRIVER'S FOOT IS NO LONGER ON THE BRAKE PEDAL. THIS
CAN OCCUR WITHOUR PRIOR WARNING, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE MASTER CYLINDERS. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN
MARCH 21, 2002. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN
AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE REMEDY WITHIN A
REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC.,
2002 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 04V128000
Recall Date: MAR 16, 2004
Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL:CABLES
Potential Units Affected: 127580
Summary: ON CERTAIN PASSENGER SEDANS, WAGONS, AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES,
THE CRUISE CONTROL CABLE COULD COME OUT OF ITS TRACK ON THE CRUISE CONTROL
LEVER AND LODGE ON THE CONTROL LEVER TAB WHEN THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL IS
RELEASED. IF THIS CONDITION OCCURS, THE THROTTLE WILL NOT RETURN TO THE IDLE
POSITION AND WILL REMAIN IN AN OPEN POSITION.
Consequence: IF THIS OCCURS DURING VEHICLE OPERATION, THE DRIVER COULD LOSE
CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL INSTALL A CRUISE CONTROL CABLE RETAINING CLIP TO THE
CRUISE CONTROL LEVER TAB ON THE THROTTLE SHAFT IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE
CRUISE CONTROL CABLE FROM COMING OUT OF ITS TRACK. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN
ON APRIL 12, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWQ-01
2002 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 02V282000
Recall Date: OCT 30, 2002
Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
Potential Units Affected: 172564
Summary: CERTAIN SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS WERE PRODUCED WITH AN IMPROPERLY MANUFACTURED
TRANSMISSION PARKING ROD. WHEN THE TRANSMISSION SELECTOR LEVER IS PLACED IN
THE "P" (PARK) POSITION, THE TRANSMISSION PARK MECHANISM, THAT IS INTENDED
TO HOLD YOUR VEHICLE, MAY NOT ENGAGE.
Consequence: THE VEHICLE COULD THEN MOVE/ROLL WITHOUT PRIOR WARNING,
INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION PARKING ROD
ASSEMBLY. OWNER NOTIFICATION JANUARY 8, 2003. AN INTERIM OWNER NOTIFICATION
WILL BE SENT DURING NOVEMBER 2002. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN
AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE
REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWK-94

2001 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 03V153000
Recall Date: APR 22, 2003
Component: SUSPENSION:REAR
Potential Units Affected: 170000
Summary: THIS RECALL APPLIES TO CERTAIN PASSENGER VEHICLES ORIGINALLY SOLD
IN OR CURRENTLY REGISTERED IN THE STATES OF CONNECTICUT, DELAWARE, ILLINOIS,
INDIANA, IOWA, KENTUCKY, MAINE, MARYLAND, MASSACHUSETTS, MICHIGAN,
MINNESOTA, MISSOURI, NEW HAMPSHIRE, NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, OHIO,
PENNSYLVANIA, RHODE ISLAND, VERMONT, VIRGINIA, WEST VIRGINIA, WISCONSIN, AND
THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. CERTAIN REAR SUSPENSION SUBFRAME COMPONENTS WERE
PRODUCED WITH POOR PAINT QUALITY WHICH, AFTER CONTINUED EXPOSURE TO
CORROSIVE ROAD SALTS FOR A PERIOD OF SEVERAL YEARS, COULD RESULT IN RUST-OUT
OF THE COMPONENT AND POSSIBLE BREAKAGE OF THE SUBFRAME.
Consequence: IF SUCH BREAKAGE OCCURS WHILE THE VEHICLE IS BEING OPERATED,
CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE COULD BE AFFECTED, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL CLEAN AND RUST-PROOF THE REAR SUSPENSION SUBFRAME.
OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN JULY 14, 2003. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN
AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE
REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWM-96
2001 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 04V128000
Recall Date: MAR 16, 2004
Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL:CABLES
Potential Units Affected: 127580
Summary: ON CERTAIN PASSENGER SEDANS, WAGONS, AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES,
THE CRUISE CONTROL CABLE COULD COME OUT OF ITS TRACK ON THE CRUISE CONTROL
LEVER AND LODGE ON THE CONTROL LEVER TAB WHEN THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL IS
RELEASED. IF THIS CONDITION OCCURS, THE THROTTLE WILL NOT RETURN TO THE IDLE
POSITION AND WILL REMAIN IN AN OPEN POSITION.
Consequence: IF THIS OCCURS DURING VEHICLE OPERATION, THE DRIVER COULD LOSE
CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL INSTALL A CRUISE CONTROL CABLE RETAINING CLIP TO THE
CRUISE CONTROL LEVER TAB ON THE THROTTLE SHAFT IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE
CRUISE CONTROL CABLE FROM COMING OUT OF ITS TRACK. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN
ON APRIL 12, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWQ-01
2001 Subaru Outback VDC NHTSA Recall ID Number: 02V282000
Recall Date: OCT 30, 2002
Component: POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
Potential Units Affected: 172564
Summary: CERTAIN SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS WERE PRODUCED WITH AN IMPROPERLY MANUFACTURED
TRANSMISSION PARKING ROD. WHEN THE TRANSMISSION SELECTOR LEVER IS PLACED IN
THE "P" (PARK) POSITION, THE TRANSMISSION PARK MECHANISM, THAT IS INTENDED
TO HOLD YOUR VEHICLE, MAY NOT ENGAGE.
Consequence: THE VEHICLE COULD THEN MOVE/ROLL WITHOUT PRIOR WARNING,
INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION PARKING ROD
ASSEMBLY. OWNER NOTIFICATION JANUARY 8, 2003. AN INTERIM OWNER NOTIFICATION
WILL BE SENT DURING NOVEMBER 2002. OWNERS WHO TAKE THEIR VEHICLES TO AN
AUTHORIZED DEALER ON AN AGREED UPON SERVICE DATE AND DO NOT RECEIVE THE FREE
REMEDY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWK-94


So rust has been a problem in causing suspension collapses in the Subaru
Outback VDC. How long does it take this rust to occur? One month? 10,000
miles?



So you've been proven wrong yet again.

The facts speak for themselves. Remember, these are recalls, not technical
service bulletins (TSB's).

Care to see them?

hmmm?





RB
35s5
NY

2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi NHTSA Recall ID Number: 04V128000
Recall Date: MAR 16, 2004
Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL:CABLES
Potential Units Affected: 127580
Summary: ON CERTAIN PASSENGER SEDANS, WAGONS, AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES,
THE CRUISE CONTROL CABLE COULD COME OUT OF ITS TRACK ON THE CRUISE CONTROL
LEVER AND LODGE ON THE CONTROL LEVER TAB WHEN THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL IS
RELEASED. IF THIS CONDITION OCCURS, THE THROTTLE WILL NOT RETURN TO THE IDLE
POSITION AND WILL REMAIN IN AN OPEN POSITION.
Consequence: IF THIS OCCURS DURING VEHICLE OPERATION, THE DRIVER COULD LOSE
CONTROL OF THE VEHICLE, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL INSTALL A CRUISE CONTROL CABLE RETAINING CLIP TO THE
CRUISE CONTROL LEVER TAB ON THE THROTTLE SHAFT IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE
CRUISE CONTROL CABLE FROM COMING OUT OF ITS TRACK. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN
ON APRIL 12, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT 1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWQ-01
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi NHTSA Recall ID Number: 04V473000
Recall Date: OCT 01, 2004
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Potential Units Affected: 26
Summary: ON CERTAIN PASSENGER AND SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES, THE COVER BOLTS
FOR THE ENGINE OIL CONTROL VALVE MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENTLY TIGHTENED, ALLOWING
OIL TO LEAK FROM AROUND THE COVER GASKET.
Consequence: IF LEAKING OIL CONTACTS COMPONENTS OPERATING AT HIGH
TEMPERATURES, A FIRE COULD RESULT IN THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT.
Remedy: DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND RETIGHTEN THE OIL-FLOW CONTROL VALVE COVER
BOLTS. THE RECALL BEGAN ON OCTOBER 8, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT SUBARU AT
1-800-782-2783.
Notes: SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC., WWU-05


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The Outback platform is widened and stretched for the B9. It uses
different
tooling, the loading is different, the manufacturing line is different.
It
will not be the same as the Outback.


You're right. It exceeded their target for crash tests and owners are
reporting virtually no problems. Every problem that has been reported
on the subie boards was common to the outback VDC 2.5 model as well.
So you've been proven wrong yet again.

RB
35s5
NY

Make : SUBARU Model : B9 TRIBECA Year : 2006
Manufacturer : SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC.
Service Bulletin Num : 129105 Date of Bulletin: OCT 27, 2005
NHTSA Item Number: 10017726
Component: SEATS:MID/REAR ASSEMBLY
Summary:
SECOND ROW SEAT WON'T RECLINE. *TT
Check to Request Research. Submit below.

Make : SUBARU Model : B9 TRIBECA Year : 2006
Manufacturer : SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC.
Service Bulletin Num : 129005 Date of Bulletin: OCT 24, 2005
NHTSA Item Number: 10017725
Component: SEATS
Summary:
SLIDE LOCK LEVER FOR SECOND ROW SEAT. *TT

Make : SUBARU Model : B9 TRIBECA Year : 2006
Manufacturer : SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC.
Service Bulletin Num : 128834 Date of Bulletin: OCT 21, 2005
NHTSA Item Number: 10017701
Component: ENGINE
Summary:
LACK OF DESIGNED TORQUE EXCESSIVE FUEL CONSUMPTION

Make : SUBARU Model : B9 TRIBECA Year : 2006
Manufacturer : SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC.
Service Bulletin Num : 127388 Date of Bulletin: SEPT 24, 2005
NHTSA Item Number: 10017507
Component: BODY
Summary:
TOTAL STRUCTURAL FAILURE OF BODY WHEN OVERLOADED


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The Outback platform is widened and stretched for the B9. It uses
different
tooling, the loading is different, the manufacturing line is different.
It
will not be the same as the Outback.


You're right. It exceeded their target for crash tests and owners are
reporting virtually no problems. Every problem that has been reported
on the subie boards was common to the outback VDC 2.5 model as well.
So you've been proven wrong yet again.

RB
35s5
NY

The owners are reporting virtually no problems.
The problems are common to the VDC 2.5 model as well.
So there are problems.

Every car has problems, BC. You know better.

RB
35s5
NY

The Tribeca is based on the Subaru Outback VDC and the engine is well
tested. Therefore, it should have no defects! You said so yourself! You know
cars!




"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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The owners are reporting virtually no problems.
The problems are common to the VDC 2.5 model as well.
So there are problems.

Every car has problems, BC. You know better.

RB
35s5
NY

The Tribeca is based on the Subaru Outback VDC and the engine is well
tested. Therefore, it should have no defects! You said so yourself! You
know
cars!

every car has problems, even a Lexus.


RB
35s5
NY

Rumor has it , it is a percentage of defect per total cars made Lexus is
outstanding. I used to work for a Lexus dealer If it wern't for maintenance
we would have starved to death.
JB
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
The Tribeca is based on the Subaru Outback VDC and the engine is well
tested. Therefore, it should have no defects! You said so yourself! You
know
cars!

every car has problems, even a Lexus.


RB
35s5
NY