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On alt.sailing.asa we have some Sllllooooowwww boats! These boats are
not bad boats, but they are generally pretty darn slow and need help
from their engines in certain conditions.

Joe's Steel Motorsailer:
Even though she can certainly move with a fresh breeze and carry her
heavy LWL with some speed, she's not a performer. In light air you'd
best start the motor, which Joe does often.

Jeff's PDQ 36:
Strange how the fastest boat is also the slowest. In light air the PDQ
suffers and tacking requires some hand work with the jib or even the
engines. Jeff has admitted (and well he should) that this is a weak
point on the boat and he "generally motors when speeds drop below 5
knots."

Mooron's Nordica 30:
In many ways she's the best performing slow boat here, having
reasonable sail area for her displacement. Still, she's got some heft
and more wetted surface to deal with along with a less then modern
shape.

Maxi's Sea Sprite 34:
A devastingly old underbody combined with some serious weight and a
small rig make for a boat that needs real air to be at her best. If
Maxi is carrying older sails he's really in trouble.

John's Catalina 28:
It's hard to imagine a more boring boat, especially as a newer entry
from Catalina. It's also hard to image a boat that's slower for her
age. A Hunter 28 rates as fast. People buy Catalina 28's and 30's for
space and not for the sailing experience.


RB
First 35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
On alt.sailing.asa we have some Sllllooooowwww boats! These boats are
not bad boats, but they are generally pretty darn slow and need help
from their engines in certain conditions.

Certain conditions? You mean like, trying to do 50 to 100 miles in a
day and getting secured before dark? Or making through a canal or
hole before the tide turns? Since you've never actually done these
things, you have no idea what you're talking about.

And what does it mean that I fire up an engine if we're doing under 5
knots? That says nothing about my light air performance, it really
speaks more of the performance in conditions I frequently encounter.
Since I usually do 6 to 8 knots, and sometimes average higher than
that, my planning is based on doing 7 knots. If I'm only doing 3.5,
that turns a 6 hour trip into 12 hours; not necessarily fun.

Further, it says nothing about the speed of the boat. You could have
the world's best light air sailer and still decide to power when the
speed goes below 5 knots. When I had a slower boat, my cutoff was
lower. And, of course, when I daysailed, the engine was hardly ever used.

I appreciate that you think 5 knots is an odd "cutoff" point. Since
you've chosen to live where there's no wind, you'll be lucky to see
even that speed most of the time. As a daysailor, all you ever do is
go out for an hour, then head for an hour; the actual boat speed is
irrelevant. Your boat will tip and bounce and give the illusion of
speed while you drift around and impress your friends.

And remember, your boat was singled out for having an extra 24 point
handicap in light air. So while you might think its a great light air
boat, the computer doesn't.

And for the record, if I were given your boat, the first thing I would
do is put it on the market. All of the other boats you've listed, I
would consider keeping.




Joe's Steel Motorsailer:
Even though she can certainly move with a fresh breeze and carry her
heavy LWL with some speed, she's not a performer. In light air you'd
best start the motor, which Joe does often.

Jeff's PDQ 36:
Strange how the fastest boat is also the slowest. In light air the PDQ
suffers and tacking requires some hand work with the jib or even the
engines. Jeff has admitted (and well he should) that this is a weak
point on the boat and he "generally motors when speeds drop below 5
knots."

Mooron's Nordica 30:
In many ways she's the best performing slow boat here, having
reasonable sail area for her displacement. Still, she's got some heft
and more wetted surface to deal with along with a less then modern
shape.

Maxi's Sea Sprite 34:
A devastingly old underbody combined with some serious weight and a
small rig make for a boat that needs real air to be at her best. If
Maxi is carrying older sails he's really in trouble.

John's Catalina 28:
It's hard to imagine a more boring boat, especially as a newer entry
from Catalina. It's also hard to image a boat that's slower for her
age. A Hunter 28 rates as fast. People buy Catalina 28's and 30's for
space and not for the sailing experience.


RB
First 35s5
NY

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"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:
On alt.sailing.asa we have some Sllllooooowwww boats! These boats are
not bad boats, but they are generally pretty darn slow and need help
from their engines in certain conditions.

Certain conditions? You mean like, trying to do 50 to 100 miles in a
day and getting secured before dark? Or making through a canal or
hole before the tide turns? Since you've never actually done these
things, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Do you think urgency or purpose ever crosses RB's plate?



And what does it mean that I fire up an engine if we're doing under 5
knots? That says nothing about my light air performance, it really
speaks more of the performance in conditions I frequently encounter.
Since I usually do 6 to 8 knots, and sometimes average higher than
that, my planning is based on doing 7 knots. If I'm only doing 3.5,
that turns a 6 hour trip into 12 hours; not necessarily fun.


You mean to say that starting up the engine is a subjective based act of
volition?

Don't engines start by themselves automatically as a factor of PHRF? Isn't
it like some law of physics?



Further, it says nothing about the speed of the boat. You could have
the world's best light air sailer and still decide to power when the
speed goes below 5 knots. When I had a slower boat, my cutoff was
lower. And, of course, when I daysailed, the engine was hardly ever used.

I appreciate that you think 5 knots is an odd "cutoff" point. Since
you've chosen to live where there's no wind, you'll be lucky to see
even that speed most of the time. As a daysailor, all you ever do is
go out for an hour, then head for an hour; the actual boat speed is
irrelevant. Your boat will tip and bounce and give the illusion of
speed while you drift around and impress your friends.

This is getting brutal...



And remember, your boat was singled out for having an extra 24 point
handicap in light air. So while you might think its a great light air
boat, the computer doesn't.


Why let facts and objective measurement get in the way of lacking experience
and delusional opinion?


And for the record, if I were given your boat, the first thing I would
do is put it on the market. All of the other boats you've listed, I
would consider keeping.


If the foo ****s, should RB wear it?

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Certain conditions? You mean like, trying to do 50 to 100 miles in a
day and getting secured before dark?


Afraid to sail at night as well, aye? Boo!

Or making through a canal or
hole before the tide turns? Since you've never actually done these
things, you have no idea what you're talking about.


Gee, I think my many dealings with the east river and hells gate says
otherwise. Boo!


And what does it mean that I fire up an engine if we're doing under 5

knots? That says nothing about my light air performance.

You said that you GENERALLY start the engines when doing less than 5
knots. I know EXACTLY what kind of sailor your are, Jeff. I could care
less how far you sail. Just takes time. You're a notch above a
powerboater and sail that way.


And remember, your boat was singled out for having an extra 24 point

handicap in light air. So while you might think its a great light air
boat, the computer doesn't.

Does the computer like my big wheel???

And for the record, if I were given your boat, the first thing I
would
do is put it on the market.

That's because you're not a sailor. If I was given ANY boat the first
thing I'd do is sail it.
But you know best!

Good gawd! Crantz...stay on Jeff's side. He needs help But are you
helping?


RB
First 35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Good gawd! Crantz...stay on Jeff's side. He needs help But are you
helping?



Gasoline poured onto a fire warms all bystanders.

Amen!

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Good gawd! Crantz...stay on Jeff's side. He needs help But are you
helping?



Gasoline poured onto a fire warms all bystanders.

Amen!

Tossin' a box of shotshells in loaded with bird shot.... that's another
thing altogether.

CM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
Maxi's Sea Sprite 34:
A devastingly old underbody combined with some serious weight and a
small rig make for a boat that needs real air to be at her best. If
Maxi is carrying older sails he's really in trouble.

Newer high-tech cruising laminates, actually. And she does half the wind
speed over 5kts of wind. Not too bad for a "devastatingly old underbody
combined with some serious weight."

Max

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Newer high-tech cruising laminates, actually. And she does half the
wind
speed over 5kts of wind. Not too bad for a "devastatingly old
underbody
combined with some serious weight."

Sounds faster than Jeff's boat! And better looking of course.

RB
35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Certain conditions? You mean like, trying to do 50 to 100 miles in a
day and getting secured before dark?


Afraid to sail at night as well, aye? Boo!

Let's see how many night sails you do with Thomas on board. I've done
a dozen or so night passages of over 100 miles (not counting OPB's),
most of them before GPS and Radar. We don't do them much with a child
on board.

And actually, the issue is often arriving in time to get a mooring
inside the harbor.

And since you've been more than a few miles from shore, you have no
right to comment on any aspect of cruising.



Or making through a canal or
hole before the tide turns? Since you've never actually done these
things, you have no idea what you're talking about.


Gee, I think my many dealings with the east river and hells gate says
otherwise. Boo!

Your "many dealings"? BWAHAHAHAHA! Maybe, just maybe, you can get
someone to believe you took your own boat through Hell Gate once. If
you had, you might know the correct spelling.

And besides, Hell Gate is not particularly challenging compared to
Wood's Hole. And you would wet your pants if you saw what happens at
the ends of the CC Canal if there's an opposing wind.

Is there something about the East River? I never found that any
problem at all, other than dodging the swimmers.




And what does it mean that I fire up an engine if we're doing under 5

knots? That says nothing about my light air performance.

You said that you GENERALLY start the engines when doing less than 5
knots. I know EXACTLY what kind of sailor your are, Jeff.

And we all know what kind you are.

I could care
less

And I could care less what you care.

how far you sail. Just takes time.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Sure thing, booby. Going out for a month or two away from home,
cruising Down East where there aren't too many marinas, navigating in
thick fog, being prepared to anchor out in any weather, handle any
repairs ... why should I bother? You claimed that "sailing without
A/C would be horrific" and you don't even have a genset!


You're a notch above a
powerboater and sail that way.

And you're about ten notches below. In 10 years of sailing you're
still talking about maybe doing a few overnights. Why do you even
bother owning a boat?




And remember, your boat was singled out for having an extra 24 point

handicap in light air. So while you might think its a great light air
boat, the computer doesn't.

Does the computer like my big wheel???

And for the record, if I were given your boat, the first thing I
would
do is put it on the market.

That's because you're not a sailor. If I was given ANY boat the first
thing I'd do is sail it.
But you know best!

I gave that some thought, but in this case I'd be afraid it would
depreciate too much. Aren't you the one who said: "Beneteau: Crap
floats, but you can't sleep on it." and "Beneteau is well packaged
junk."?


Good gawd! Crantz...stay on Jeff's side. He needs help But are you
helping?

I don't really need anyone's help. But haven't you noticed, they all
agree with me!

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"Swab Rob" wrote


That's because I'm not a sailor. If I was given ANY boat the
first
thing I'd do is truck it, shrink wrap it and let it sit on the
hard for
a few months.

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Let's see how many night sails you do with Thomas on board.


Why, will he be afraid of the dark like you???

I've done
a dozen or so night passages of over 100 miles

I'm sure Capt. Neal will send you the Joshua Slocum award!

And since you've been more than a few miles from shore, you have no
right to comment on any aspect of cruising.

Oh. So if I cruise 100 miles within a few miles of shore...uh....it's
not cruising? Ok!

Maybe, just maybe, you can get
someone to believe you took your own boat through Hell Gate once.

Yup, with all of my boats and even the "wrong way" a few years ago to
return from the worst fireworks ever.

And I could care less what you care.

Then why answer EVERY post? You seem very wound up about what I think
of your PDQ. I guess if you had some self confidence you could move on.

You claimed that "sailing without
A/C would be horrific" and you don't even have a genset!

Never said that. Prove it with a link. Like you I refered to a specific
time period (it's August here) where it been so hot and still, that
most folks don't even both with their boats. You used the word
"oppressive." With A/C at the slip at least I can spend some time
aboard. And of course we're getting a genset, Jeff...so take it easy,
bub!

In 10 years of sailing you're
still talking about maybe doing a few overnights. Why do you even
bother owning a boat?

Funny. My friend owns a J30 and he rarely cruises anywhere. He just
sails and sails locally because he loves it. I guess he's a bad sailor
too! Good call, Jeff. Sorry everyone isn't playing with their toys to
suit you. Then again our toys are actually entertaining to use!

But haven't you noticed, they all
agree with me!

Jeff, snap out of it. I you said the earth was flat and I said it was
round, they'd still side with you. Or haven't you noticed? The fact
that I can take ALL of you on and still beat you with your own oars is
why this is so much fun. And you STILL manage to be wrong 90% of the
time!

RB
35s5...the best boat here!
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote
On alt.sailing.asa we have some Sllllooooowwww boats! These boats are
not bad boats, but they are generally pretty darn slow and need help
from their engines in certain conditions.

Well, of course. If you bought ANY sailboat hoping to go fast you are an
idiot. Not a one of them can keep up with those hotels-on-a-barge called
cruise ships, let alone match their comfort.

No, sailboats are meant to be worked on - to keep you from having too much
idle time on your hands or money in your pockets that you might otherwise
spend on wenching or other sin. The proper guage of sailboat "goodness" is
how much money and time one spends working on one each season minus the time
actually spent sailing. I'm not sure where taking ones children to swim in a
sewer fits into that equation ....

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jeff, snap out of it. I you said the earth was flat and I said it was
round, they'd still side with you. Or haven't you noticed? The fact
that I can take ALL of you on and still beat you with your own oars is
why this is so much fun. And you STILL manage to be wrong 90% of the
time!

RB
35s5...the best boat here!
NY


Not so. I can deliver to you a severe beating at will. I've done it many
times. You can't even attack my boat! You have no edge on me.

Amen!

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Not so. I can deliver to you a severe beating at will. I've done it
many
times. You can't even attack my boat! You have no edge on me.


Edge? Blunt instruments work just fine on you! :-)


RB
35s5...the best boat EVER made!
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Not so. I can deliver to you a severe beating at will. I've done it
many
times. You can't even attack my boat! You have no edge on me.


Edge? Blunt instruments work just fine on you! :-)


'To be struck down,
Pierced by sword i' the heart, from a hero's hand!'
That I had dreamed. O mockery of Fate!
--Killed, I! of all men--in an ambuscade!
Struck from behind, and by a lackey's hand!
'Tis very well. I am foiled, foiled in all,
Even in my death."




RB
35s5...the best boat EVER made!
NY

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Bob, you don't have a boat , remember.
JB


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jeff, snap out of it. I you said the earth was flat and I said it was
round, they'd still side with you. Or haven't you noticed? The fact
that I can take ALL of you on and still beat you with your own oars is
why this is so much fun. And you STILL manage to be wrong 90% of the
time!

RB
35s5...the best boat here!
NY


Not so. I can deliver to you a severe beating at will. I've done it many
times. You can't even attack my boat! You have no edge on me.

Amen!

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Capt. Rob wrote:



And since you've been more than a few miles from shore, you have no
right to comment on any aspect of cruising.

Oh. So if I cruise 100 miles within a few miles of shore...uh....it's
not cruising? Ok!

There are lots of ways to go cruising. You haven't done any yet.




Maybe, just maybe, you can get
someone to believe you took your own boat through Hell Gate once.

Yup, with all of my boats and even the "wrong way" a few years ago to
return from the worst fireworks ever.

dream on. But even so, Hell Gate is only about 8 miles from your
slip. And are you seriously claiming that you wouldn't turn on the
engine to make a favorable tide?


And I could care less what you care.

Then why answer EVERY post? You seem very wound up about what I think
of your PDQ. I guess if you had some self confidence you could move on.

You're the one who has been begging for approval Bob. With every
post, you've groveled before us. Rather pathetic for an allegedly
grown man.



You claimed that "sailing without
A/C would be horrific" and you don't even have a genset!

Never said that. Prove it with a link.

I wouldn't think you'd be so stupid as to want to relive that blunder.
On Nov. 7 you said: "It even has AC and heat. A boat without AC is
horrific in August."


Like you I refered to a specific
time period (it's August here) where it been so hot and still, that
most folks don't even both with their boats.

Well, we didn't think you meant it would be horrific in winter. But
you still don't get it. How do you actually plan to use the A/C?
You're bragging that for the month of August the only use you'll have
of your boat is sitting down below in your slip. So that puts you
where on your rating system? About 10 levels below a powerboater?


You used the word
"oppressive." With A/C at the slip at least I can spend some time
aboard. And of course we're getting a genset, Jeff...so take it easy,
bub!

Now you're bragging that you'll be the asshole everyone hates, not
just here but out on the water. You're already well on your way.



In 10 years of sailing you're
still talking about maybe doing a few overnights. Why do you even
bother owning a boat?

Funny. My friend owns a J30 and he rarely cruises anywhere. He just
sails and sails locally because he loves it.

Good for him. Does he spend all his time making up reasons why his
boat is superior to all others?


I guess he's a bad sailor too!

He may well be a great sailor. One the best sailors I've had out on
my boat (an Olympic alternate in the Star class) almost ran my boat
aground just a mile from his normal race course. He thought my "old
man's boat" was lots of fun to sail.

Good call, Jeff. Sorry everyone isn't playing with their toys to
suit you. Then again our toys are actually entertaining to use!

No Bob, its the other way around. YOU haven't earned to right to
complain about how I, or anyone else uses their boat. Have you ever
seen me comment adversely on anyone's boat (not counting Irwins and a
certain Coronado)? I have no problem with how people use their boats,
I like most of the boats here, and respect the experience of most of
the skippers. Most of them have earned the right to comment,
occasionally harshly, on others and their boats. You have not.

You started this with your pathetic insistence that everyone approve
of you new boat. It wasn't enough that people think its a good choice
for your use, you need to keep making idiotic lists of reasons why
your boat vastly superior to all others, and that you got it for half
price.

Sorry Bob, you may own a sailboat, and you may (someday) actually
leave the slip, but you're not a sailor in my book.



But haven't you noticed, they all
agree with me!

Jeff, snap out of it. I you said the earth was flat and I said it was
round, they'd still side with you.

I wonder why that is?

Or haven't you noticed? The fact
that I can take ALL of you on and still beat you with your own oars is
why this is so much fun.

And the best part is that when Thomas asks "what was daddy like?"
there will be a record that he can read.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
...

And the best part is that when Thomas asks "what was daddy like?"
there will be a record that he can read.


Ouch!

Amen!

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There are lots of ways to go cruising. You haven't done any yet.

Our 3 and 4 days trips were cruises, Jeff. Sorry. Short cruises, yes,
but cruises all the same.

And are you seriously claiming that you wouldn't turn on the
engine to make a favorable tide?

Lord, you're dumb. It's a few miles away. If there's that little wind,
I'd rather wait for some. I like to sail, not motor. One of the few
times we ever ran our diesel for an extended period was coming back
from Port Jeff in 95 degree weather and one of the girls was sick from
the heat.


Does he spend all his time making up reasons why his
boat is superior to all others?

He owns a J30. That boat is a blast to sail and about 500 times more
fun than your boat.

You started this with your pathetic insistence that everyone approve

of you new boat.

To "approve" of my boat means admitting that you made a dopey choice
when you bought yours. Not many people will admit to that. If you
didn't feel so badly about your boat you would never have responded to
any of this. With each response I can see how deeply this has hurt you.
Sorry!

Well, we didn't think you meant it would be horrific in winter. But

you still don't get it. How do you actually plan to use the A/C?

If only you asked that to begin with you wouldn't look like such a punk
right now.

YOU haven't earned to right to
complain about how I, or anyone else uses their boat.

Eh, wake up, Jeff. I rarely, if ever question how people use their
boats. This has been about the boat choices themselves. You and many of
the others are the ones crying over all the miles you've sailed, as if
that means ANYTHING! It's so funny...I know people who sail on lakes.
They don't sail far, but they sail GREAT. That's sailing, Jeff. You
wanna cruise...great! Buy a Trawler and best of luck...or a Multi.

Sorry Bob, you may own a sailboat, and you may (someday) actually
leave the slip, but you're not a sailor in my book.

That would be: "How to Buy a Dull Boat" from Avon Books right?

And the best part is that when Thomas asks "what was daddy like?"
there will be a record that he can read.

Another lame duck attack using my kid. Amazing and dirt low. I can see
what sort of person your are. I wonder if anyone else can?
Jeff, you may be worse than humorless. You may in fact be scum. No way
will I retaliate using your children. Just like my boat is better than
yours, I'm also better than you.


RB
35s5
NY

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Another lame duck attack using my kid. Amazing and dirt low. I can
see
what sort of person your are. I wonder if anyone else can?
Jeff, you may be worse than humorless. You may in fact be scum. No way
will I retaliate using your children. Just like my boat is better than
yours, I'm also better than you...

What an asshat. Your not better than anybody. You sir made derogatory
comments about my mother when she passed away. In my book that makes
you the lowest of the low. At least your ****ing inbread kid born by
your 42nd street skank wife is alive.

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Capt. Rob wrote:
There are lots of ways to go cruising. You haven't done any yet.

Our 3 and 4 days trips were cruises, Jeff. Sorry. Short cruises, yes,
but cruises all the same.

lame


And are you seriously claiming that you wouldn't turn on the
engine to make a favorable tide?

Lord, you're dumb. It's a few miles away. If there's that little wind,
I'd rather wait for some.

the tide waits for name man.

I like to sail, not motor. One of the few
times we ever ran our diesel for an extended period was coming back
from Port Jeff in 95 degree weather and one of the girls was sick from
the heat.


Does he spend all his time making up reasons why his
boat is superior to all others?

He owns a J30. That boat is a blast to sail and about 500 times more
fun than your boat.

and this proves what? You keep spewing these "facts" as though the
are true or would mean anything. They make you sound like an idiot.


You started this with your pathetic insistence that everyone approve

of you new boat.

To "approve" of my boat means admitting that you made a dopey choice
when you bought yours.

What a jackass you are!!!

Not many people will admit to that. If you
didn't feel so badly about your boat you would never have responded to
any of this. With each response I can see how deeply this has hurt you.

I just like keeping you on my hook. After all, you've already
admitted that everyone agrees with me.

Sorry!

You certainly are.


Well, we didn't think you meant it would be horrific in winter. But

you still don't get it. How do you actually plan to use the A/C?

If only you asked that to begin with you wouldn't look like such a punk
right now.

More lies. You never stop, do you? You just lie, and lie, and then
call be a liar. You're just a Republican, aren't you?

In my response to your "horrific" post, I said:

"BWAAHAHAHAHAHA!! A boat without A/C is horrific! I think that says
it all! And even more bizarre, he doesn't even have a genset, so it
can only be used at the slip with shorepower."

And a few days later when you said you'd get a genset, I immediately said:
"So tell us Bob, are you the type of "cruiser" that always stays at
slips, or are you the type that runs a genset all night?"

You know what we call both of these types of "cruisers" around here?
POWERBOATERS!"

You really are a pathological liar, aren't you? You don't have to
answer that, we wouldn't believe you anyways.


YOU haven't earned to right to
complain about how I, or anyone else uses their boat.

Eh, wake up, Jeff. I rarely, if ever question how people use their
boats. This has been about the boat choices themselves.

True, but you do claim they're all crap.

You and many of
the others are the ones crying over all the miles you've sailed, as if
that means ANYTHING!

To a sailor, it means a lot. To you, it means little.

....
And the best part is that when Thomas asks "what was daddy like?"
there will be a record that he can read.

Another lame duck attack using my kid.

How am I using your kid? I'm talking about you. If you were doing
something exceptionally dangerous, I might point out you now have a
child to think of. This is no different. I'm quite serious Bob. You
think you have two lives, one in the "real" world, and one on the
'net. There's some truth to that, I admit, but if I where asked what
type of person you really are, I'd have to say "just look at his
record on ASA."

Amazing and dirt low. I can see
what sort of person your are.

We all know what kind of person you are, Bob. If my daughter read
what I wrote, I could live with it. How about you?

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but cruises all the same.

lame

I dunno, Jeff. We had a really good time and some awesome sex aboard.

That boat is a blast to sail and about 500 times more
fun than your boat.

and this proves what?

Well, he's sailed the 35s5 a few times. Before I bought one he said it
was twice as much as his boat which makes my boat 1000 times more fun
than your boat, give or take a few times.

You never stop, do you? You just lie,

You never really asked how we'd use the A/C. Period.


To a sailor, it means a lot.

No, Jeff. Only a louse would quantify the merits of someone's passion
by make up their set of values to judge it. And only a total ass like
yourself would react the way you have at someone who's "judged" you
boat, no matter how accurately. That's why you panties are in a twist
and that's why you're now stuck with me.

We all know what kind of person you are, Bob. If my daughter read
what I wrote, I could live with it. How about you?

Sorry, loser. That's one bit of bait I'll never touch. I don't ever
involve someone's kids in these antics on any level. It's just too low.
You're an asshole, Jeff. Plain and simple. I actually only think one
other poster here is as big as ass as you or a bigger tool.
And the bottom line is...and will always be....that I pegged your PDQ
for what it was after a single sail and it MATTERED to you. Since
you've never stepped aboard a 35s5 I have no interest in what you say.
You're last boat was a Nonsuch fer cripes sake, another boat for the
elderly.

RB
35s5
NY

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What an asshat. Your not better than anybody. You sir made derogatory

comments about my mother when she passed away.


Your mother probably passed away from worrying if her son would ever
stop being a pathetic whiny cheap asshole. Now that she's dead there
are a lot of sick worms I'm sure. Was she cremated? No wonder air
pollution is worse. But she was an adult, faior game and I have no
reason to believe anything you say about anything. That said, I don't
target people's kids. My kid is inbred? I bet your mother would drop
dead again if she heard you talk like that.
And Sloco....your boat is a tired POS worth about a 3rd of my boat. And
that's why you've got a whole gross of Jeff's butplugs up your ass.
Yep, you're the OTHER asshole...and like Jeff it's in real life.

RB
35s5
NY

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In essence Bob...... you're saying Loco's Mom is a Saint!

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
What an asshat. Your not better than anybody. You sir made derogatory

comments about my mother when she passed away.


Your mother probably passed away from worrying if her son would ever
stop being a pathetic whiny cheap asshole. Now that she's dead there
are a lot of sick worms I'm sure. Was she cremated? No wonder air
pollution is worse. But she was an adult, faior game and I have no
reason to believe anything you say about anything. That said, I don't
target people's kids. My kid is inbred? I bet your mother would drop
dead again if she heard you talk like that.
And Sloco....your boat is a tired POS worth about a 3rd of my boat. And
that's why you've got a whole gross of Jeff's butplugs up your ass.
Yep, you're the OTHER asshole...and like Jeff it's in real life.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


I actually only think one
other poster here is as big as ass as you or a bigger fool.


RB
35s5
NY


There you go again, always putting yourself on top!


Kablooey!

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n essence Bob...... you're saying Loco's Mom is a Saint!


She probably was, which is why the dark moronic contrast of her
offspring stopped her heart.

RB
35s5
NY

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Now was that hard to say???..... courtesy is contagious. You keep this up
and the whole group will have to be placed in quarantine.

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
n essence Bob...... you're saying Loco's Mom is a Saint!


She probably was, which is why the dark moronic contrast of her
offspring stopped her heart.

RB
35s5
NY

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Having a bad day, Bob?


"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:8n4kf.148823$yS6.59800@clgrps12...
In essence Bob...... you're saying Loco's Mom is a Saint!

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
What an asshat. Your not better than anybody. You sir made
derogatory

comments about my mother when she passed away.


Your mother probably passed away from worrying if her son
would ever
stop being a pathetic whiny cheap asshole. Now that she's
dead there
are a lot of sick worms I'm sure. Was she cremated? No wonder
air
pollution is worse. But she was an adult, faior game and I
have no
reason to believe anything you say about anything. That said,
I don't
target people's kids. My kid is inbred? I bet your mother
would drop
dead again if she heard you talk like that.
And Sloco....your boat is a tired POS worth about a 3rd of my
boat. And
that's why you've got a whole gross of Jeff's butplugs up
your ass.
Yep, you're the OTHER asshole...and like Jeff it's in real
life.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Swab Rob" wrote ...
but cruises all the same.

Taking Commode Joe for a 1 hour daysail is lame

I dunno, Jeff. We had a really good time and some awesome sex
aboard.



Who steered?

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A 3 pointer.


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...


I actually only think one
other poster here is as big as ass as you or a bigger fool.


RB
35s5
NY


There you go again, always putting yourself on top!


Kablooey!

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I have no reason to believe anything you say about anything. That
said, I don't target people's kids. My kid is inbred? I bet your mother
would drop dead again if she heard you talk like that.
And Sloco....your boat is a tired POS worth about a 3rd of my
boat.

Only a pathetic liar like yourself always thinks others are lieing.
Two people on here know me personally and know that I don't lie about
anything on here. What would be the point. Unlike yourself I don't
feel the need to impress. Hell, I don't even think I've posted much
about myself so what pray tell would I be lieing about? As far as my
boat being worth a third of your boat .... so what. There's a lot of
boats that cost more than mine. At least my boat finishes in front of
the pack and oh yea that's the pack it started with by the way.

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Only a pathetic liar like yourself always thinks others are lieing.
Two people on here know me personally and know that I don't lie about
anything on here.


What a total fag! 2 people know you...and 3 know me. What does that
prove? You're such a tool and a dumbass. You can't even get out of your
own way to clear a way for your fresh stupidity.

As far as my
boat being worth a third of your boat .... so what.

Sloco isn't bothered by it, but wanted everyone to know I couldn't
afford his Lincoln LS, though my current 2006 Tribeca cost more! No,
no, Sloco...you're totally "honest" in everything you say!!!!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB
35s5
NY

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Asshat, like I've said before... my train collection is worth more than
your lame cars.

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my train collection is worth more than
your lame cars.


Note that Sloco keeps calling me "asshat." Poor guy has no idea that
he's outing himself. I guess you have about 100K in trains, but then I
have 4 movie posters that are worth more than your trains.
Now that you have the inferior sailboat, I guess we're down to talking
about toy trains with Sloco!

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
my train collection is worth more than
your lame cars.


Note that Sloco keeps calling me "asshat." Poor guy has no idea
that
he's outing himself. I guess you have about 100K in trains, but
then I
have 4 movie posters that are worth more than your trains.

I have 3 stepladders that are worth 12 times your posters.

SV

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My Dad had a camera stroe in the 40's and also
sold trains. You would not believe what I have
in the original boxes.

"rgnmstr" wrote
Asshat, like I've said before... my train collection is worth more than
your lame cars.

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My Dad had a camera stroe in the 40's and also
sold trains. You would not believe what I have
in the original boxes.


I own original artwork for Day the Earth Stood still US poster and the
original mockups for Bogart's To Have and Have not, among other
goodies. They're worth more than Sloco's trains and would also sell in
an instant at auction.

RB
35s5
NY

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My Dad had a camera stroe in the 40's and also
sold trains. You would not believe what I have
in the original boxes. ..

You should get them out at this time of the year and have fun running
them and remembering your father.

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"Swab Rob" wrote


I own original artwork for Day the Earth Stood still US poster
and the
original mockups for Bogart's To Have and Have not, among other
goodies. They're worth more than Sloco's trains and would also
sell in
an instant at auction.


Why didn't you sell one of them and buy a NICE boat?

SV