One more Scotty
 

This is the last one for now....I'll shoot some interior shots tomorrow
for the website.


http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/del3.jpg


RB
35s5
NY

One more Scotty
 

Nice crane!




"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
This is the last one for now....I'll shoot some interior shots tomorrow
for the website.


http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/del3.jpg


RB
35s5
NY

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Nice crane!

Now rusty is wondering if it's a road crane or knot.

Bwahahahahahahahaha

SBV

One more Scotty
 

OzOne wrote in message
For a photographer, you sure do take lousy pictures!


Is it dark and shadowy? I didn't know if it was a lousy pic or
my computer.

SBV

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Rustys such a retard, thats not even a crane.

Joe

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Nice crane!

Amen!

"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
...
On 1 Dec 2005 09:12:20 -0800, "Joe" wrote:

Rustys such a retard, thats not even a crane.

Joe

That's why I was laughing, gayboy. Don't forget to breathe!


Commodore Joe Redcloud©

One more Scotty
 

It isn't?

Scotty

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Rustys such a retard, thats not even a crane.

Joe

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"Commode Joe " wrote ...
On 1 Dec 2005 09:12:20 -0800, "Joe" wrote:

Rustys such a retard, thats not even a crane.

Joe

That's why I was laughing, like a gayboy. Don't forget to
breathe!


Right...just like that wasn't a road trailer.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

One more Scotty
 

Yes, it is.

Scotty


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Nice crane!




"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
This is the last one for now....I'll shoot some interior
shots tomorrow
for the website.


http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/del3.jpg


RB
35s5
NY

One more Scotty
 

It does fit the definition of a crane.

Two of the wheels pivot and two of the lifting points are cantilevered from
the vertical axis of the pivot.

It's a crane.

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:37 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

It isn't?

Scotty


Oi! It's not a crane, potty-scotty. It's called a Travel lift. It does not
fit
the definition of "crane", just like you and gaytex-joe do not fit the
definition of "sailor".


Commodore Joe Redcloud

One more Scotty
 

I bet stupid rusty doesn't even know what a gantry crane is. Boy
is he an idiot!

Scotty


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
.net...
It does fit the definition of a crane.

Two of the wheels pivot and two of the lifting points are
cantilevered from
the vertical axis of the pivot.

It's a crane.

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:37 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:

It isn't?

Scotty


Oi! It's not a crane, potty-scotty. It's called a Travel
lift. It does not
fit
the definition of "crane", just like you and gaytex-joe do
not fit the
definition of "sailor".


Commodore Joe Redcloud

One more Scotty
 

"Commode Joe " wrote
It isn't?

Scotty


It's called a Travel lift crane.


Commode Joe


So, you were wrong again.

One more Scotty
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I bet stupid rusty doesn't even know what a gantry crane is. Boy
is he an idiot!

Scotty

He certainly is getting slapped about. Joe really gave him some wicked pile
drivers, you got him good with the trailer. He comes back for more.

I think it's an anemia thing. He should eat some liver.

Did you see the beating that Jeff delivered to RB?

I've been busy researching lava lakes. Did you know the largest one is on
the floor of the Indian Ocean? I bet that is where Satan popped out and ran
into Iraq.



TRUCK DRIVIN' MAN
(T. FELL)

I STOPPED AT A ROADHOUSE IN TEXAS
WAS A LITTLE PLACE CALLED HAMBURGER DAN'S
I HEARD THAT OLD JUKEBOX A-PLAYIN'
A SONG ABOUT A TRUCK DRIVIN' MAN.

CHORUS
POUR ME ANOTHER CUP OF COFFEE
FOR IT IS THE BEST IN THE LAND
I'LL PUT A NICKEL IN THE JUKEBOX
AND PLAY THE TRUCK DRIVIN' MAN.

THE WAITRESS JUST BROUGHT ME SOME COFFEE
I THANKED HER BUT CALLED HER AGAIN
I SAID THAT OLD SONG SURE DOES FIT ME
YA KNOW I'M A TRUCK DRIVIN' MAN.

CHORUS
POUR ME ANOTHER CUP OF COFFEE
FOR IT IS THE BEST IN THE LAND
I'LL PUT A NICKEL IN THE JUKEBOX
AND PLAY THE TRUCK DRIVIN' MAN.

I CLIMBED BACK ABOARD MY OLD SEMI
AND THEN LIKE A FLASH I WAS GONE
I GOT THEM OLD TRUCK WHEELS A-ROLLIN'
YA KNOW I'M ON MY WAY TO SAN ANTONE.
REPEAT CHORUS

One more Scotty
 

Crane: an often horizontal projection swinging about a vertical axis:
as a : a machine for raising, shifting, and lowering heavy weights by
means of a projecting swinging arm or with the hoisting apparatus
supported on an overhead track


So pretty much all overhead lifting mechanisms fall in the crane arena.
However, in any boat yard a travellift is known to be a very different
thing compared to a crane. Cranes are also used in boat yards and the
two are not to be confused. Bob Crantz is wrong as per the actual usage
of the term and calling a travellift a crane could be technically
correct, but in the real world it's dead wrong.

Now everyone be quiet!

RB
35s5
NY

One more Scotty
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Crane: an often horizontal projection swinging about a vertical
axis:
as a : a machine for raising, shifting, and lowering heavy
weights by
means of a projecting swinging arm or with the hoisting
apparatus
supported on an overhead track


So pretty much all overhead lifting mechanisms fall in the
crane arena.
However, in any boat yard a travellift crane is know to be a
crane.


Right you are, Bob. I knew you were smarter than commode joe.

SBV

One more Scotty
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Crane: an often horizontal projection swinging about a vertical axis:
as a : a machine for raising, shifting, and lowering heavy weights by
means of a projecting swinging arm or with the hoisting apparatus
supported on an overhead track


So pretty much all overhead lifting mechanisms fall in the crane arena.

That's right.


However, in any boat yard a travellift is known to be a very different
thing compared to a crane. Cranes are also used in boat yards and the
two are not to be confused.

But a true lift has the raising mechanism below the load.


Bob Crantz is wrong as per the actual usage
of the term and calling a travellift a crane could be technically
correct, but in the real world it's dead wrong.

In your world I may be wrong as your use of language is not precise.


Now everyone be quiet!

RB
35s5
NY


RB is flogged yet again.

Amen!

One more Scotty
 

In your world I may be wrong as your use of language is not precise.



EVERY yard calls a travellift a travellift. Cranes are used for other
things. Face it. You're beat on this point. Proper usage is understood
usage. Now call a yard and ask them if they have a crain. Typically
you'll get "yes" if they have one or "Yes, and we also have a
travellift."
Check ANY yard website. The word travellift is ALWAYS used. NOT CRAIN.

RB
35s5
NY

One more Scotty
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
In your world I may be wrong as your use of language is not
precise.



EVERY yard calls a travellift a travellift crane.

Most warehouses call a forklift a 'towmotor'. But it's not.
Towmotor is a brand name, they make forklifts.

Most people would call your boat , a sailboat, even though it
hasn't got sails or even a mast.

Is a laptop / notebook not a computer?

I WIN .

Scotty

One more Scotty
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
In your world I may be wrong as your use of language is not precise.



EVERY yard calls a travellift a travellift. Cranes are used for other
things. Face it. You're beat on this point. Proper usage is understood
usage. Now call a yard and ask them if they have a crain. Typically
you'll get "yes" if they have one or "Yes, and we also have a
travellift."
Check ANY yard website. The word travellift is ALWAYS used. NOT CRAIN.

RB
35s5
NY


And the beating shall continue.

"Travellift" is a brand name.

Kleenex is a brand name.
Kleenex is a facial tissue.
Not all facial tissues are Kleenex.

Not all refrigerators are Frigidaires.

Not all tape is Scotch.

Not all software is Microsoft.

A chop saw does not chop.
It is not an axe.

And so it goes with travellift. It's name may have the word "lift", but in
classification of industrial equipment it is a crane.

Come back if you need more of a beating.

Amen!

One more Scotty
 

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...S&p_id =22813

It's official.

You lose!

KaBlam!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen!

One more Scotty
 

November 8, 1999

Hidden Harbour Marina
4370 Carraway Place
Port of Sanford
Sanford, FL 32771

Dear Mr. Borum:

Thank you for your September 10, 1999 letter to the Occupational Safety and
Health Administration's (OSHA's) Directorate of Compliance Programs (DCP).
You have questions regarding the applicability of §1910.178(l) Powered
Industrial Truck operator training to "Travel Lift" operators. Your specific
questions have been restated below for clarity.

Questions. What is OSHA's actual position on travel lift training for the
December 1999 deadline? What rule applies?

Response. In your letter, you mention that you have an Acme 25-ton Travel
Lift that is used to lift boats from the water for service. You stated that
the travel lift is inspected yearly in accordance with 29 CFR §1910.179 and
the American National Standard Institute (ANSI) B30.2 Overhead and Gantry
Cranes. In addition, you provided manufacturer's information on a Marine
Travelift Inc., Mobile Boat Hoist which you stated was a typical travel
lift.

Based on the information you provided, a "travel lift" which is
manufactured, maintained, operated, and inspected in accordance with ANSI
B30.2 would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane." OSHA's Overhead and
gantry crane standard, §1910.179 would be applicable for this type of
equipment. Therefore, the powered industrial truck operator training
standard with the December 1999 training compliance date would not be
applicable.

However, please be advised that 29 CFR 1910.179(b)(8) requires that only
designated personnel be permitted to operate a crane. OSHA defines
designated at 1910.179(a)(35) as:

Selected or assigned by the employer or the employer's representative as
being qualified to perform specific duties [emphasis added].

Because the term "qualified" is not itself defined, OSHA would interpret
"qualified" in light of operator-qualifications provisions of industry
standards such as ANSI B30.2. Although the 1910.178 training requirements do
not apply, you may also find it useful to consult that standard when
developing a training or evaluation program for "travel lift" operators.

Thank you for your interest in occupational safety and health. We hope you
find this information helpful. Please be aware that OSHA's enforcement
guidance is subject to periodic review and clarification, amplification, or
correction. Such guidance could also be affected by subsequent rulemaking.
In the future, should you wish to verify that the guidance provided herein
remains current, you may consult OSHA's website at http://www.osha.gov. If
you have any further questions, please feel free to contact the Office of
General Industry Compliance Assistance at (202) 693-1850.

Sincerely,

Richard E. Fairfax, Director
Directorate of Compliance Programs






"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:52:30 +1100, OzOne wrote:

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:13:48 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
scribbled thusly:

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:15:37 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:

It isn't?

Scotty


Oi! It's not a crane, potty-scotty. It's called a Travel lift. It does
not fit
the definition of "crane", just like you and gaytex-joe do not fit the
definition of "sailor".


Commodore Joe Redcloud

Well actually it does.
It's covered by the same industrial rules as a crane.


It's technically a hoist, but not a crane. A crane is another type of
hoist.

Cats and dogs have a lot of similarities too, but they are not the same
thing.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

One more Scotty
 

a "travel lift" which is
manufactured, maintained, operated, and inspected in accordance with
ANSI
B30.2 would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."


Yeah, when the guys at the yard want a boat moved and don't wanted it
confused with the standard crane, they yell out, "Hey, bring the mobile
gantry crane over here!"

Bwahahahahahaha! Thanks, Bob, that was pretty damn funny. But the yards
call them TRAVEL LIFTS, not crains, not even MGC's.

RB
35s5
NY

One more Scotty
 

I just called Minnefords Marina and asked if they had a travel
lift crane. They said YES!

SBV


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
In your world I may be wrong as your use of language is not
precise.



EVERY yard calls a travellift a travellift. Cranes are used
for other
things. Face it. You're beat on this point. Proper usage is
understood
usage. Now call a yard and ask them if they have a crain.
Typically
you'll get "yes" if they have one or "Yes, and we also have a
travellift."
Check ANY yard website. The word travellift is ALWAYS used.
NOT CRAIN.

RB
35s5
NY


And the beating shall continue.

"Travellift" is a brand name.

Kleenex is a brand name.
Kleenex is a facial tissue.
Not all facial tissues are Kleenex.

Not all refrigerators are Frigidaires.

Not all tape is Scotch.

Not all software is Microsoft.

A chop saw does not chop.
It is not an axe.

And so it goes with travellift. It's name may have the word
"lift", but in
classification of industrial equipment it is a crane.

Come back if you need more of a beating.

Amen!

One more Scotty
 

"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:01:21 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

November 8, 1999

Hidden Harbour Marina
4370 Carraway Place
Port of Sanford
Sanford, FL 32771

Dear Mr. Borum:

"would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."



In other words, it is NOT a mobile gantry crane, but they treat it as
if it was one, since they don't have any seperate rules that only
pertain to a Travelift Hoist.


If it is considered as a mobile gantry crane, how could you then conclude it
isn't?



That's why the guy had to write for a clarification in the first
place.

It could be the guy is as wrong (and dumb) as you.

Kapow!




Commodore Joe Redcloud©

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
a "travel lift" which is
manufactured, maintained, operated, and inspected in accordance with
ANSI
B30.2 would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."


Yeah, when the guys at the yard want a boat moved and don't wanted it
confused with the standard crane, they yell out, "Hey, bring the mobile
gantry crane over here!"


What is a standard crane?

In the boat yards I've been in they called them mobile gantry cranes.

When one gets a flat, they say it has a "deflated aerostatic perimeter".

Is your boat yard full of morons, or does it only become full when you walk
in?


Kapow!!!!





Bwahahahahahaha! Thanks, Bob, that was pretty damn funny. But the yards
call them TRAVEL LIFTS, not crains, not even MGC's.

RB
35s5
NY

One more Scotty
 

That's impossible.



"Bob Crantz" wrote

It could be the guy is as wrong (and dumb) as you.

Kapow!




Commode Joe

One more Scotty
 

I do believe the correct title is; "Travel Lift Crane." That for any
knit picker that give a ****.



http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

One more Scotty
 

http://www.impact-enterprises.com/0319.htm

The beating continues!


"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:47:18 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:01:21 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

November 8, 1999

Hidden Harbour Marina
4370 Carraway Place
Port of Sanford
Sanford, FL 32771

Dear Mr. Borum:

"would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."



In other words, it is NOT a mobile gantry crane, but they treat it as
if it was one, since they don't have any seperate rules that only
pertain to a Travelift Hoist.


If it is considered as a mobile gantry crane, how could you then conclude
it
isn't?


I didn't conclude anything. OSHA stated the fact that it wasn't, or at
the very least, failed to state that it "is".


Commodore Joe Redcloud©

One more Scotty
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

The beating continues!

Is that a wet herring or a carrot you keep slapping him with?

CM

One more Scotty
 

A mackeral!


"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:w33kf.148811$yS6.44691@clgrps12...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

The beating continues!

Is that a wet herring or a carrot you keep slapping him with?

CM

One more Scotty
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

A mackeral!

I hear it stings like hell... but won't leave a mark!!?

CM

One more Scotty
 

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:47:18 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:01:21 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

November 8, 1999

Hidden Harbour Marina
4370 Carraway Place
Port of Sanford
Sanford, FL 32771

Dear Mr. Borum:

"would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."



In other words, it is NOT a mobile gantry crane, but they treat it as
if it was one, since they don't have any seperate rules that only
pertain to a Travelift Hoist.


If it is considered as a mobile gantry crane, how could you then conclude
it
isn't?



That's why the guy had to write for a clarification in the first
place.


Is a Ford F250 pick-up truck a "passenger car"?

In Connecticut, there is a parkway where trucks and commercial vehicles
are not
allowed. The one loophole is that if you have a pick-up truck that you use
either exclusively or partly for non-commercial use, you may apply for a
"combination registration" instead of a commercial registration. What that
means
is that if you are not carrying a commercial load, or displaying
commercial
lettering on the sides, you may drive on the parkway, and you will be
"considered" as a passenger vehicle. Your truck will not actually BE a
passenger vehicle, you will still be driving that same crappy Ford TRUCK.
It
will just be considered to be the same type of vehicle as far as
applicable
laws.


A Ford truck is a vehicle and it can carry passengers.

It is a passenger vehicle, especially so because it can perform in that
capacity.

Cars, such as taxis aren't allowed on the Merritt, Southern State, Sagtikos,
Sunken Meadow, Northern or any other parkway.

Yet a taxi is a passenger vehicle.

It's the fact that a vehicle is commercial that prohibits it from the
parkways. In days of yore, trucks were almost exclusively commercial
vehicles.

Your analogy is not applicable to travel lift cranes.

That is because they can not travel on the parkway. They are not registered
motor vehicles. Even if one was registered, it could not maintain minimum
speed, which is limited by the hull speed of the boat it is carrying.

Are ambulances rushing anemic patients for iron infusion therapy allowed on
the parkway?

Amen!






Commodore Joe Redcloud

One more Scotty
 

"Commode Joe " wrote
Is a Ford F250 pick-up truck a "passenger car"?

In Connecticut, there is a parkway where trucks and commercial
vehicles are not
allowed. The one loophole is that if you have a pick-up truck
that you use
either exclusively or partly for non-commercial use, you may
apply for a
"combination registration" instead of a commercial
registration. What that means
is that if you are not carrying a commercial load, or
displaying commercial
lettering on the sides, you may drive on the parkway, and you
will be
"considered" as a passenger vehicle. Your truck will not
actually BE a
passenger vehicle, you will still be driving that same crappy
Ford TRUCK. It
will just be considered to be the same type of vehicle as far
as applicable
laws.




Commode Joe

WTF are you babbling about? Just because you call it a Travel
Lift Hoist Non Crane, doesn't make it any less of a crane than a
Manitowoc 4200.

Thom said so. So there!

Scotty

One more Scotty
 

"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:32:13 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:47:18 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:01:21 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:

November 8, 1999

Hidden Harbour Marina
4370 Carraway Place
Port of Sanford
Sanford, FL 32771

Dear Mr. Borum:

"would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."



In other words, it is NOT a mobile gantry crane, but they treat it
as
if it was one, since they don't have any seperate rules that only
pertain to a Travelift Hoist.


If it is considered as a mobile gantry crane, how could you then
conclude
it
isn't?



That's why the guy had to write for a clarification in the first
place.


Is a Ford F250 pick-up truck a "passenger car"?

In Connecticut, there is a parkway where trucks and commercial vehicles
are not
allowed. The one loophole is that if you have a pick-up truck that you
use
either exclusively or partly for non-commercial use, you may apply for
a
"combination registration" instead of a commercial registration. What
that
means
is that if you are not carrying a commercial load, or displaying
commercial
lettering on the sides, you may drive on the parkway, and you will be
"considered" as a passenger vehicle. Your truck will not actually BE a
passenger vehicle, you will still be driving that same crappy Ford
TRUCK.
It
will just be considered to be the same type of vehicle as far as
applicable
laws.


A Ford truck is a vehicle and it can carry passengers.

It is a passenger vehicle, especially so because it can perform in that
capacity.

Cars, such as taxis aren't allowed on the Merritt, Southern State,
Sagtikos,
Sunken Meadow, Northern or any other parkway.

Yet a taxi is a passenger vehicle.

It's the fact that a vehicle is commercial that prohibits it from the
parkways. In days of yore, trucks were almost exclusively commercial
vehicles.

Your analogy is not applicable to travel lift cranes.

That is because they can not travel on the parkway. They are not
registered
motor vehicles. Even if one was registered, it could not maintain minimum
speed, which is limited by the hull speed of the boat it is carrying.

Are ambulances rushing anemic patients for iron infusion therapy allowed
on
the parkway?

Amen!


Using your reasoning, a cat is a dog, and there is no way around it.

The "reasoning" I used was yours, to show the illogical outcome of your
analogy. It's disproof by absurdity.

Yes, your reasoning does conclude a cat is a dog.

As far as OSHA goes, there is no reasoning. It's definition or decree.


A Marine Travelift may be "considered" as a crane by OSHA, but that does
not
make it a crane. It just means they apply the same rules to it. BIG
difference.


OK then, just what are the defining charateristics of a crane?

1. Overhead lifting pulley or fulcrum.
2. Cantilevered lifting point or horizontal beam with lifting point.
3. Cantilevered lifting arm pivots about a vertical axis.
4. Horizontal beam lifting point moves with respect to the ground.

A hoist is the mechanism which lifts, but does in include the structure
supporting the hoist. A crane has a hoist, but the hoist alone is not
complete enough to define the crane.

If you can refute this with factual information, go ahead.

The travel lift is of the category crane. It is a crane.

A dog is a mammal.
A cat is a mammal.
Both dogs and cats are mammals.
A dog is not a cat.

A travel lift is a crane.
A trolley boom is a crane.
Both travel lifts and trolley boom are cranes.
A travel lift is not a trolley boom.

Taxonomy (from Greek verb tassein = "to classify" and nomos = law, science,
cf "economy") may refer to:

the science of classification (see alpha taxonomy)
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for example, "Car" might appear with both parents "Vehicle" and "Steel
Mechanisms". A taxonomy might also be a simple organization of objects into
groups, or even an alphabetical list. In current usage within "Knowledge
Management", taxonomies are seen as slightly less broad than ontologies.

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classifications for a given set of objects. At the top of this structure is
a single classification, the root node, that applies to all objects. Nodes
below this root are more specific classifications that apply to subsets of
the total set of classified objects. So for instance in common schemes of
scientific classification of organisms, the root is the Organism (as this
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theories of Kant and Durkheim also influenced Claude Lévi-Strauss, the
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The phrase enterprise taxonomy is used in business to describe a very
limited form of taxonomy used only within one organization.

The field of solving or best-fitting of numerical equations that
characterize all measurable quantities of a set of objects is called cluster
analysis; this is a form of taxonomy called numerical taxonomy or
taximetrics.




Commodore Joe Redcloud

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Pretty impressive for a pig farmer.
S.

"Scotty" wrote in message
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: WoW! What a beating !
:
: Even Bob was smart enough to bow out of this
one.
:
: Scotty, knows his cranes.
:

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WoW! What a beating !

Even Bob was smart enough to bow out of this one.

Scotty, knows his cranes.

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 22:32:13 GMT, "Bob Crantz"

wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:47:18 GMT, "Bob Crantz"

wrote:


"Commodore Joe Redcloud©" wrote in
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:01:21 GMT, "Bob Crantz"

wrote:

November 8, 1999

Hidden Harbour Marina
4370 Carraway Place
Port of Sanford
Sanford, FL 32771

Dear Mr. Borum:

"would be considered as a "mobile gantry crane."



In other words, it is NOT a mobile gantry crane, but
they treat it
as
if it was one, since they don't have any seperate rules
that only
pertain to a Travelift Hoist.


If it is considered as a mobile gantry crane, how could
you then
conclude
it
isn't?



That's why the guy had to write for a clarification in
the first
place.


Is a Ford F250 pick-up truck a "passenger car"?

In Connecticut, there is a parkway where trucks and
commercial vehicles
are not
allowed. The one loophole is that if you have a pick-up
truck that you
use
either exclusively or partly for non-commercial use, you
may apply for
a
"combination registration" instead of a commercial
registration. What
that
means
is that if you are not carrying a commercial load, or
displaying
commercial
lettering on the sides, you may drive on the parkway, and
you will be
"considered" as a passenger vehicle. Your truck will not
actually BE a
passenger vehicle, you will still be driving that same
crappy Ford
TRUCK.
It
will just be considered to be the same type of vehicle as
far as
applicable
laws.


A Ford truck is a vehicle and it can carry passengers.

It is a passenger vehicle, especially so because it can
perform in that
capacity.

Cars, such as taxis aren't allowed on the Merritt, Southern
State,
Sagtikos,
Sunken Meadow, Northern or any other parkway.

Yet a taxi is a passenger vehicle.

It's the fact that a vehicle is commercial that prohibits it
from the
parkways. In days of yore, trucks were almost exclusively
commercial
vehicles.

Your analogy is not applicable to travel lift cranes.

That is because they can not travel on the parkway. They are
not
registered
motor vehicles. Even if one was registered, it could not
maintain minimum
speed, which is limited by the hull speed of the boat it is
carrying.

Are ambulances rushing anemic patients for iron infusion
therapy allowed
on
the parkway?

Amen!


Using your reasoning, a cat is a dog, and there is no way
around it.

The "reasoning" I used was yours, to show the illogical outcome
of your
analogy. It's disproof by absurdity.

Yes, your reasoning does conclude a cat is a dog.

As far as OSHA goes, there is no reasoning. It's definition or
decree.


A Marine Travelift may be "considered" as a crane by OSHA,
but that does
not
make it a crane. It just means they apply the same rules to
it. BIG
difference.


OK then, just what are the defining charateristics of a crane?

1. Overhead lifting pulley or fulcrum.
2. Cantilevered lifting point or horizontal beam with lifting
point.
3. Cantilevered lifting arm pivots about a vertical axis.
4. Horizontal beam lifting point moves with respect to the
ground.

A hoist is the mechanism which lifts, but does in include the
structure
supporting the hoist. A crane has a hoist, but the hoist alone
is not
complete enough to define the crane.

If you can refute this with factual information, go ahead.

The travel lift is of the category crane. It is a crane.

A dog is a mammal.
A cat is a mammal.
Both dogs and cats are mammals.
A dog is not a cat.

A travel lift is a crane.
A trolley boom is a crane.
Both travel lifts and trolley boom are cranes.
A travel lift is not a trolley boom.

Taxonomy (from Greek verb tassein = "to classify" and nomos =
law, science,
cf "economy") may refer to:

the science of classification (see alpha taxonomy)
a classification
Initially taxonomy was only the science of classifying living
organisms, but
later the word was applied in a wider sense, and may also refer
to either a
classification of things, or the principles underlying the
classification.
Almost anything, animate objects, inanimate objects, places,
and events, may
be classified according to some taxonomic scheme.

Taxonomies are frequently hierarchical in structure. However
taxonomy may
also refer to relationship schemes other than hierarchies, such
as network
structures. Other taxonomies may include single children with
multi-parents,
for example, "Car" might appear with both parents "Vehicle" and
"Steel
Mechanisms". A taxonomy might also be a simple organization of
objects into
groups, or even an alphabetical list. In current usage within
"Knowledge
Management", taxonomies are seen as slightly less broad than
ontologies.

Mathematically, a hierarchical taxonomy is a tree structure of
classifications for a given set of objects. At the top of this
structure is
a single classification, the root node, that applies to all
objects. Nodes
below this root are more specific classifications that apply to
subsets of
the total set of classified objects. So for instance in common
schemes of
scientific classification of organisms, the root is the
Organism (as this
applies to all living things, it is implied rather than stated
explicitly).
Below this are the Domain, Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order,
Family, Genus, and
Species, with various other ranks sometimes inserted.

Some have argued that the human mind naturally organizes its
knowledge of
the world into such systems. This view is often based on the
epistemology of
Immanuel Kant. Anthropologists have observed that taxonomies
are generally
embedded in local cultural and social systems, and serve
various social
functions. Perhaps the most well-known and influential study of
folk
taxonomies is Émile Durkheim's The Elementary Forms of
Religious Life. The
theories of Kant and Durkheim also influenced Claude
Lévi-Strauss, the
founder of anthropological structuralism. Lévi-Strauss wrote
two important
books on taxonomies: Totemism and The Savage Mind.

Such taxonomies as those analyzed by Durkheim and Lévi-Strauss
are sometimes
called folk taxonomies to distinguish them from scientific
taxonomies that
claim to be disembedded from social relations and thus
objective and
universal.

A recent neologism, folksonomy, should not be confused with
Folk Taxonomy
(though it is obviously a contraction of the two words). Those
who support
scientific taxonomies have recently criticized folksonomies by
dubbing them
fauxonomies.

The phrase enterprise taxonomy is used in business to describe
a very
limited form of taxonomy used only within one organization.

The field of solving or best-fitting of numerical equations
that
characterize all measurable quantities of a set of objects is
called cluster
analysis; this is a form of taxonomy called numerical taxonomy
or
taximetrics.




Commodore Joe Redcloud

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Oink!

"NotPony" wrote in message
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Pretty impressive for a pig farmer.
S.

"Scotty" wrote in message
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: WoW! What a beating !
:
: Even Bob was smart enough to bow out of this
one.
:
: Scotty, knows his cranes.
:

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Crappie,

Is that a "Holy Mackeral" you are slapping him with:^)



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One more Scotty
 

WTF are you babbling about? Just because you call it a Travel
Lift Hoist Non Crane, doesn't make it any less of a crane than a
Manitowoc 4200.


One last time. All yards call them travellifts. That's what they're
called. Nobody calls them a crane because cranes are used in yards for
other work. That doesn't mean the TL isn't a crane, just that no one
call in one in the biz.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
WTF are you babbling about? Just because you call it a Travel
Lift Hoist Non Crane, doesn't make it any less of a crane than
a
Manitowoc 4200.


That doesn't mean the TL isn't a crane,

Well done Bob, admitting defeat is hard, but you're better off
for it. Now, could you fart out commode joe and splain it to him?

Scotty, another win!