Capt. Rob wrote:
The Nordica will sail circles, figure eights and hexagons around the
Sea Sprite 34.


RB
35s5
NY

Interesting how it is boats that win races when it's someone elses and
skippers that win races when its your own. I would like to sail both
these boats but I think the Sea Sprite would have it on comfort and
liveability and the Nordica might be a bit quicker of the mark. In a
long distance race I would prefer the SS, in a beer can I would prefer
the Nordica or the 35s5.

"Gary" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:
The Nordica will sail circles, figure eights and hexagons around the
Sea Sprite 34.


RB
35s5
NY

Interesting how it is boats that win races when it's someone elses and
skippers that win races when its your own. I would like to sail both
these boats but I think the Sea Sprite would have it on comfort and
liveability and the Nordica might be a bit quicker of the mark. In a long
distance race I would prefer the SS, in a beer can I would prefer the
Nordica or the 35s5.

There is no way the Nordica will sail circles around the Sea Sprite. Both
vessels are cruisers and designed for a wide range of conditions. The 35s5
isn't of the size that it's light air design and fin keel wouldn't make long
passages stressful for the crew. In a harbour beer can race, neither the Sea
Sprite nor the Nordica would stand a chance against the 35s5. If it was a
long distance race with open water ..... the playing field would prefer the
cruisers.

I sail out on the ocean just south of Halifax ... off Peggy's Cove. [ Swiss
Air Disaster area] We get rough water on many occasions. I've done the
passage between Mahone Bay and Prospect [40nm] during 46 kt sustained and
20ft+ seas. [2 reefs in the main and a 100% jib] Surf was breaking onto the
roadway at Cranberry cove. It was a wickedly fun trip and we took no green
water the entire way. I know the speeds my vessel is capable of maintaining
in 20 ft seas.... it's nothing short of impressive. Surfing the rollers
coming into Prospect Head was awesome.

CM

The 35s5
isn't of the size that it's light air design and fin keel wouldn't make
long
passages stressful for the crew. In a harbour beer can race, neither
the Sea
Sprite nor the Nordica would stand a chance against the 35s5. If it was
a
long distance race with open water ..... the playing field would
prefer the
cruisers.


Mooron, don't get too carried away by the 35s5's racing ability. I
seriously doubt ANY long range conditions would favor the Sea Sprite or
Nordica. You may be more comfortable, but you won't be in front. The
35s5 is used for offshore racing, long distance cruising and has
circumnavigated. At 11'460 lbs and near 30 feet LWL it's not very
heavy, but it's not a Mumm 30 either.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
The 35s5
isn't of the size that it's light air design and fin keel wouldn't make
long
passages stressful for the crew. In a harbour beer can race, neither
the Sea
Sprite nor the Nordica would stand a chance against the 35s5. If it was
a
long distance race with open water ..... the playing field would
prefer the
cruisers.


Mooron, don't get too carried away by the 35s5's racing ability. I
seriously doubt ANY long range conditions would favor the Sea Sprite or
Nordica. You may be more comfortable, but you won't be in front. The
35s5 is used for offshore racing, long distance cruising and has
circumnavigated. At 11'460 lbs and near 30 feet LWL it's not very
heavy, but it's not a Mumm 30 either.

RB
35s5
NY

My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.

My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think
that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.


Gary, that idea of a boat "coming apart" shows how little experience
you have. Even the lowest end boats will hold together just fine. The
35s5 has circumnavigated as a stock boat.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think
that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.


Gary, that idea of a boat "coming apart" shows how little experience
you have. Even the lowest end boats will hold together just fine. The
35s5 has circumnavigated as a stock boat.

RB
35s5
NY

Little experience?

Gary said:
Little experience?

Let me help you Gary

That mean NOT MUCH, havent been there, book learned, canada Navy, very
little.

Hopes this helps. Is your native tounge French?

Joe

"Gary" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:
My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel
like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I
think
that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.


Gary, that idea of a boat "coming apart" shows how little
experience
you have. Even the lowest end boats will hold together just
fine. The
35s5 has circumnavigated as a stock boat.

RB
35s5
NY

Little experience?

I guess he hasn't seen the web site.

Scotty

Capt. Rob wrote:
My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think
that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.


Gary, that idea of a boat "coming apart" shows how little experience
you have. Even the lowest end boats will hold together just fine. The
35s5 has circumnavigated as a stock boat

You keep saying that. Where is the link? You did provide a link to a
partial circumnavigation, but it doesn't seem to have been completed,
even though its been ongoing for 5 years. And the almost no mention
of the actually traveling, what the passages were like, or what
repairs might have been needed.

Moreover, there are lots of examples of individual boats making long
passages. Almost any solid production boat can cross oceans,
especially if the take their time and chose weather windows and
company wisely. Your Bene, for instance, did its Atlantic crossing as
part of a large rally. Every larger boat I've owned or sailed a lot
has sisterships that have crossed the Atlantic, and that includes a
Rhodes 18 and a 24 foot Eastwind. And the Galaxy, which I've cruised
on extensively, is said to be the first production glass boat to
circumnavigate.

Webb Chiles certainly proved that small racing boats can be used for
circumnavigations. I got a lecture from him when, not realizing who
he was, I commented that his one tonner looked rather sea worthy for a
smaller boat. ("Well, this one, and another like it, have taken me
around the world a few times ...")

More interesting is the percentage of a given design that have been
chosen for passagemaking. I've heard claims for both Prout and
Valiant as having done the most circumnavigations. And its gotten to
the point where larger boats are manufactured away from their markets,
and then delivered on their own bottoms. Almost every charter cat in
the Caribbean has done an Atlantic crossing.

And of course, there's the question of how many people gave up their
plans after the first passage, and what type of boat they had. It
would be interesting to find out whats for sale in those spots where
some folks pack it in, such as Panama.

Here's a partial list of circumnavigators from the West Coast.
http://www.latitude38.com/features/circumnav.htm

You keep saying that. Where is the link? You did provide a link to a
partial circumnavigation, but it doesn't seem to have been completed,
even though its been ongoing for 5 years.

Jeff, are you so dumb you can't nav a website either? That website had
many many pages of pics where that 35s5 had sailed to. Far, far, far
more t han your PDQ has or ANY PDQ I googled up. In addition to that
the Beneteau website is filled with First series boats making long
passages. Beneteau's make more ocean passages than all of the Island
Packets, PDQs and Pacific Seacrafts combined.
The sad thing is that you probably know this, but continue to troll
with lies. Why? I've told the truth about the PDQ based on your own
comments and actually being aboard one. On the other hand, you've never
sailed my boat and can only draw made-up conclusions in the face of
reality. While you are fond of saying my time on the PDQ is a "lie" I
never said anything really bad about the boat, now did I. We just found
it dull to sail...a 100% subjective comment obviously shared by many
others who prefer monohulls.
Get over it, dude. I don't like your boat. You already said you liked
mine, then tried to backpedal. You're like a two year old!

RB
35s5
NY