The Nordica will sail circles, figure eights and hexagons around the
Sea Sprite 34.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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The Nordica will sail circles, figure eights and hexagons around the
Sea Sprite 34.

Heh, heh. Okay.

Max

Capt. Rob wrote:
The Nordica will sail circles, figure eights and hexagons around the
Sea Sprite 34.


RB
35s5
NY

Interesting how it is boats that win races when it's someone elses and
skippers that win races when its your own. I would like to sail both
these boats but I think the Sea Sprite would have it on comfort and
liveability and the Nordica might be a bit quicker of the mark. In a
long distance race I would prefer the SS, in a beer can I would prefer
the Nordica or the 35s5.

"Gary" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:
The Nordica will sail circles, figure eights and hexagons around the
Sea Sprite 34.


RB
35s5
NY

Interesting how it is boats that win races when it's someone elses and
skippers that win races when its your own. I would like to sail both
these boats but I think the Sea Sprite would have it on comfort and
liveability and the Nordica might be a bit quicker of the mark. In a long
distance race I would prefer the SS, in a beer can I would prefer the
Nordica or the 35s5.

There is no way the Nordica will sail circles around the Sea Sprite. Both
vessels are cruisers and designed for a wide range of conditions. The 35s5
isn't of the size that it's light air design and fin keel wouldn't make long
passages stressful for the crew. In a harbour beer can race, neither the Sea
Sprite nor the Nordica would stand a chance against the 35s5. If it was a
long distance race with open water ..... the playing field would prefer the
cruisers.

I sail out on the ocean just south of Halifax ... off Peggy's Cove. [ Swiss
Air Disaster area] We get rough water on many occasions. I've done the
passage between Mahone Bay and Prospect [40nm] during 46 kt sustained and
20ft+ seas. [2 reefs in the main and a 100% jib] Surf was breaking onto the
roadway at Cranberry cove. It was a wickedly fun trip and we took no green
water the entire way. I know the speeds my vessel is capable of maintaining
in 20 ft seas.... it's nothing short of impressive. Surfing the rollers
coming into Prospect Head was awesome.

CM

The 35s5
isn't of the size that it's light air design and fin keel wouldn't make
long
passages stressful for the crew. In a harbour beer can race, neither
the Sea
Sprite nor the Nordica would stand a chance against the 35s5. If it was
a
long distance race with open water ..... the playing field would
prefer the
cruisers.


Mooron, don't get too carried away by the 35s5's racing ability. I
seriously doubt ANY long range conditions would favor the Sea Sprite or
Nordica. You may be more comfortable, but you won't be in front. The
35s5 is used for offshore racing, long distance cruising and has
circumnavigated. At 11'460 lbs and near 30 feet LWL it's not very
heavy, but it's not a Mumm 30 either.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
The 35s5
isn't of the size that it's light air design and fin keel wouldn't make
long
passages stressful for the crew. In a harbour beer can race, neither
the Sea
Sprite nor the Nordica would stand a chance against the 35s5. If it was
a
long distance race with open water ..... the playing field would
prefer the
cruisers.


Mooron, don't get too carried away by the 35s5's racing ability. I
seriously doubt ANY long range conditions would favor the Sea Sprite or
Nordica. You may be more comfortable, but you won't be in front. The
35s5 is used for offshore racing, long distance cruising and has
circumnavigated. At 11'460 lbs and near 30 feet LWL it's not very
heavy, but it's not a Mumm 30 either.

RB
35s5
NY

My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.

My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think
that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.


Gary, that idea of a boat "coming apart" shows how little experience
you have. Even the lowest end boats will hold together just fine. The
35s5 has circumnavigated as a stock boat.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think
that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.


Gary, that idea of a boat "coming apart" shows how little experience
you have. Even the lowest end boats will hold together just fine. The
35s5 has circumnavigated as a stock boat.

RB
35s5
NY

Little experience?

Capt. Rob wrote:
My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think
that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.


Gary, that idea of a boat "coming apart" shows how little experience
you have. Even the lowest end boats will hold together just fine. The
35s5 has circumnavigated as a stock boat

You keep saying that. Where is the link? You did provide a link to a
partial circumnavigation, but it doesn't seem to have been completed,
even though its been ongoing for 5 years. And the almost no mention
of the actually traveling, what the passages were like, or what
repairs might have been needed.

Moreover, there are lots of examples of individual boats making long
passages. Almost any solid production boat can cross oceans,
especially if the take their time and chose weather windows and
company wisely. Your Bene, for instance, did its Atlantic crossing as
part of a large rally. Every larger boat I've owned or sailed a lot
has sisterships that have crossed the Atlantic, and that includes a
Rhodes 18 and a 24 foot Eastwind. And the Galaxy, which I've cruised
on extensively, is said to be the first production glass boat to
circumnavigate.

Webb Chiles certainly proved that small racing boats can be used for
circumnavigations. I got a lecture from him when, not realizing who
he was, I commented that his one tonner looked rather sea worthy for a
smaller boat. ("Well, this one, and another like it, have taken me
around the world a few times ...")

More interesting is the percentage of a given design that have been
chosen for passagemaking. I've heard claims for both Prout and
Valiant as having done the most circumnavigations. And its gotten to
the point where larger boats are manufactured away from their markets,
and then delivered on their own bottoms. Almost every charter cat in
the Caribbean has done an Atlantic crossing.

And of course, there's the question of how many people gave up their
plans after the first passage, and what type of boat they had. It
would be interesting to find out whats for sale in those spots where
some folks pack it in, such as Panama.

Here's a partial list of circumnavigators from the West Coast.
http://www.latitude38.com/features/circumnav.htm

So have 60 ft sleads, The thing is your going to work your ass off to
make a long passage Bob, a real cruising vessel is set up right and
pretty much take care or herself. Unless you have a tough well tested
crew of 3 I would not want to make an ocean passage on a 35s5. And as
OZ has pointed out you have a good chance of having your rudder wiped
out late at night, which on a 35s5 looks like it might take the rudder
and sugar scoop out in one big crunch.

You better stick to LIS and her light breezes and mild chopp.

Joe