Heh..... here is the sailcalc comparison between a Sea Sprite 34 & the
Nordica 30. I believe the Nordica 30 has a 180 PHRF. I think the telling
factor lies in the displacement to LWL which places the Sea Sprite in the
very heavy cruiser class at over 400.

Performance Comparison LOA Sea Sprite 34 34.08

Nordica 30 29.49

LWL Sea Sprite 34 24.26

Nordica 30 25

Beam Sea Sprite 34 10.4

Nordica 30 9.77

Displacement Sea Sprite 34 13208

Nordica 30 10220

Sail Area Sea Sprite 34 535

Nordica 30 502

Capsize Ratio Sea Sprite 34 1.76

Nordica 30 1.8

Hull Speed Sea Sprite 34 6.6

Nordica 30 6.7

Sail Area to Displacement Sea Sprite 34 15.32

Nordica 30 17.06

Displacement to LWL Sea Sprite 34 413

Nordica 30 292

LWL to Beam Sea Sprite 34 2.33

Nordica 30 2.56

Motion Comfort Sea Sprite 34 32.9

Nordica 30 28.57

Pounds/Inch Sea Sprite 34 902

Nordica 30 873


"Maxprop" wrote in message

I'll grant that CCA-type boats were relatively common in the 40s and 50s,
but not today. She never fails to attract compliments and photographers
like flies every time she's on the water. And at the dock. Her curving
sheerline and aesthetic overhangs never fail to draw praise and smiles.

That would be a serious mistake if you chose to race against my boat in,
say, a fin keel Catalina 34 with a PHRF of 144. My boat tends to sail
with C34s upwind and beats them easily off the wind or downwind. My boat
placed second in her class in the Chicago-Mac. Her rating of 190 is a
gift.


The Nordic isn't the prettiest of the canoe stern boats, but it is better
looking than, say, something with a horrendous, big-ass swim platform.

Max

The Nordica will sail circles, figure eights and hexagons around the
Sea Sprite 34.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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The Nordica will sail circles, figure eights and hexagons around the
Sea Sprite 34.

Heh, heh. Okay.

Max

Capt. Rob wrote:
The Nordica will sail circles, figure eights and hexagons around the
Sea Sprite 34.


RB
35s5
NY

Interesting how it is boats that win races when it's someone elses and
skippers that win races when its your own. I would like to sail both
these boats but I think the Sea Sprite would have it on comfort and
liveability and the Nordica might be a bit quicker of the mark. In a
long distance race I would prefer the SS, in a beer can I would prefer
the Nordica or the 35s5.

"Gary" wrote in message
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Capt. Rob wrote:
The Nordica will sail circles, figure eights and hexagons around the
Sea Sprite 34.


RB
35s5
NY

Interesting how it is boats that win races when it's someone elses and
skippers that win races when its your own. I would like to sail both
these boats but I think the Sea Sprite would have it on comfort and
liveability and the Nordica might be a bit quicker of the mark. In a long
distance race I would prefer the SS, in a beer can I would prefer the
Nordica or the 35s5.

There is no way the Nordica will sail circles around the Sea Sprite. Both
vessels are cruisers and designed for a wide range of conditions. The 35s5
isn't of the size that it's light air design and fin keel wouldn't make long
passages stressful for the crew. In a harbour beer can race, neither the Sea
Sprite nor the Nordica would stand a chance against the 35s5. If it was a
long distance race with open water ..... the playing field would prefer the
cruisers.

I sail out on the ocean just south of Halifax ... off Peggy's Cove. [ Swiss
Air Disaster area] We get rough water on many occasions. I've done the
passage between Mahone Bay and Prospect [40nm] during 46 kt sustained and
20ft+ seas. [2 reefs in the main and a 100% jib] Surf was breaking onto the
roadway at Cranberry cove. It was a wickedly fun trip and we took no green
water the entire way. I know the speeds my vessel is capable of maintaining
in 20 ft seas.... it's nothing short of impressive. Surfing the rollers
coming into Prospect Head was awesome.

CM

The 35s5
isn't of the size that it's light air design and fin keel wouldn't make
long
passages stressful for the crew. In a harbour beer can race, neither
the Sea
Sprite nor the Nordica would stand a chance against the 35s5. If it was
a
long distance race with open water ..... the playing field would
prefer the
cruisers.


Mooron, don't get too carried away by the 35s5's racing ability. I
seriously doubt ANY long range conditions would favor the Sea Sprite or
Nordica. You may be more comfortable, but you won't be in front. The
35s5 is used for offshore racing, long distance cruising and has
circumnavigated. At 11'460 lbs and near 30 feet LWL it's not very
heavy, but it's not a Mumm 30 either.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
The 35s5
isn't of the size that it's light air design and fin keel wouldn't make
long
passages stressful for the crew. In a harbour beer can race, neither
the Sea
Sprite nor the Nordica would stand a chance against the 35s5. If it was
a
long distance race with open water ..... the playing field would
prefer the
cruisers.


Mooron, don't get too carried away by the 35s5's racing ability. I
seriously doubt ANY long range conditions would favor the Sea Sprite or
Nordica. You may be more comfortable, but you won't be in front. The
35s5 is used for offshore racing, long distance cruising and has
circumnavigated. At 11'460 lbs and near 30 feet LWL it's not very
heavy, but it's not a Mumm 30 either.

RB
35s5
NY

My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.

My limited experience would indicate that the 35s5 will feel like it's
going to come apart long before the Sea Sprite or Nordica. I think
that
ratings would favour the Sea Sprite.


Gary, that idea of a boat "coming apart" shows how little experience
you have. Even the lowest end boats will hold together just fine. The
35s5 has circumnavigated as a stock boat.

RB
35s5
NY

So have 60 ft sleads, The thing is your going to work your ass off to
make a long passage Bob, a real cruising vessel is set up right and
pretty much take care or herself. Unless you have a tough well tested
crew of 3 I would not want to make an ocean passage on a 35s5. And as
OZ has pointed out you have a good chance of having your rudder wiped
out late at night, which on a 35s5 looks like it might take the rudder
and sugar scoop out in one big crunch.

You better stick to LIS and her light breezes and mild chopp.

Joe

a real cruising vessel is set up right and
pretty much take care or herself. Unless you have a tough well tested
crew of 3 I would not want to make an ocean passage on a 35s5.


And yet the Beneteau users groups are filled with owners who use their
boats for long passages, Joe. I know a fellow who's made long passages
on a little Bristol 27 and another who does it on a dirt cheap US
yachts 30. They love it and don't feel abused by their boats.
Joe, you're sounding more and more like a panzy-ass sailor. The 35s5
has circumnavgated on a family trip.

RB
35s5
NY