Rather than throw around a lot of BS like many others here, I'm now
going to rate the 3 FASTEST racer/cruiser boats here, PERIOD. So here
we go....

#1 Donal's 33.7: Yup, it's probably a bit faster than my 35s5 with
it's deep fin and higher pointing. Maybe on a reach I'd have him in
some conditions, but the 33.7 is a more advanced and refined hull. The
35s5 has it beat for cruising with a nicer interior.

#2 RB's 35s5: A fast boat that has beaten Express 35's and First 38s
boat for boat, but there's no doubt that it takes a skilled crew to get
the speed potential from this hull. Every owner says typical speed is
great, but wringing out the top end is work.

#3 Loco's Express: While old and dated, boats like the Express 30,
Santana 30/30 and J30 can still be wickedly fast boats that will blow
past most newer 30 footers. An Express 30 may be rated a bit slower,
but it could beat my 35s5 or the 33.7 on any given day.

All three of the boats above represent excellent mating of the cruising
boat and racer. The 35s5 has the best cabin by far, but the 33.7 has
the merits of a much newer design. The Express 30 is quite inexpensive
and like the J30 offer folks seeking more speed a way in without
breaking the bank.

RB
35s5
NY0.

Any similar in length multi will blow away a mono if the multi is just off
the wind.

In fact, my old windrider 16, could torch just about any mono I encountered,
even pointing high. I could and did do donuts around 35 foot monos, even
though the windrider stopped everytime it encountered chop larger than a
couple of feet. That was in 20+ kts in the north SF bay. Down south in light
air, I beat every boat off Dana Point (mostly a beam reach) except a 45 foot
catamaran, though I pretty much kept up with them until I gave up at about 3
miles off the coast.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Rather than throw around a lot of BS like many others here, I'm now
going to rate the 3 FASTEST racer/cruiser boats here, PERIOD. So here
we go....

#1 Donal's 33.7: Yup, it's probably a bit faster than my 35s5 with
it's deep fin and higher pointing. Maybe on a reach I'd have him in
some conditions, but the 33.7 is a more advanced and refined hull. The
35s5 has it beat for cruising with a nicer interior.

#2 RB's 35s5: A fast boat that has beaten Express 35's and First 38s
boat for boat, but there's no doubt that it takes a skilled crew to get
the speed potential from this hull. Every owner says typical speed is
great, but wringing out the top end is work.

#3 Loco's Express: While old and dated, boats like the Express 30,
Santana 30/30 and J30 can still be wickedly fast boats that will blow
past most newer 30 footers. An Express 30 may be rated a bit slower,
but it could beat my 35s5 or the 33.7 on any given day.

All three of the boats above represent excellent mating of the cruising
boat and racer. The 35s5 has the best cabin by far, but the 33.7 has
the merits of a much newer design. The Express 30 is quite inexpensive
and like the J30 offer folks seeking more speed a way in without
breaking the bank.

RB
35s5
NY0.

Any similar in length multi will blow away a mono if the multi is just
off
the wind.

Exactly, and I'm talking about performance here which includes not
always being off the wind. The PDQ is also not a racer/cruiser which I
specified. It's a long range family cruiser only. It doesn't even fit
into the comparison.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Any similar in length multi will blow away a mono if the multi is just
off
the wind.

Exactly, and I'm talking about performance here which includes not
always being off the wind. The PDQ is also not a racer/cruiser which I
specified. It's a long range family cruiser only. It doesn't even fit
into the comparison.

We don't have the polars for your boat or mine, and I'll even concede
that mine, as configured (without tall rig, with diesels, loaded for
cruising, etc.) doesn't have scintillating upwind performance, but:

The polars for the big version of mine, the PDQ 42, can be compared to
the big version of yours, the Farr designed 40.7, a hot racing
machine. They show that while the Bene might point a few degrees
higher, the PDQ will walk away from it *upwind* in winds over 12
knots. In 16 knots, for instance, the Bene is pointing at 38 degrees
with a VMG of 5.37, while the PDQ is at 42 degrees with a VMG of 5.88.
If you compare the boats point for point, you find that the only
significant advantage the Bene has is upwind in winds under 10 knots
and less. Even in 6 knots of wind, the PDQ is walking away from the
Bene off the wind.

Why did you get rid of it, Jon?

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Any similar in length multi will blow away a mono if the multi
is just off
the wind.

In fact, my old windrider 16, could torch just about any mono I
encountered,
even pointing high. I could and did do donuts around 35 foot
monos, even
though the windrider stopped everytime it encountered chop
larger than a
couple of feet. That was in 20+ kts in the north SF bay. Down
south in light
air, I beat every boat off Dana Point (mostly a beam reach)
except a 45 foot
catamaran, though I pretty much kept up with them until I gave
up at about 3
miles off the coast.

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www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Rather than throw around a lot of BS like many others here,
I'm now
going to rate the 3 FASTEST racer/cruiser boats here, PERIOD.
So here
we go....

#1 Donal's 33.7: Yup, it's probably a bit faster than my
35s5 with
it's deep fin and higher pointing. Maybe on a reach I'd have
him in
some conditions, but the 33.7 is a more advanced and refined
hull. The
35s5 has it beat for cruising with a nicer interior.

#2 RB's 35s5: A fast boat that has beaten Express 35's and
First 38s
boat for boat, but there's no doubt that it takes a skilled
crew to get
the speed potential from this hull. Every owner says typical
speed is
great, but wringing out the top end is work.

#3 Loco's Express: While old and dated, boats like the
Express 30,
Santana 30/30 and J30 can still be wickedly fast boats that
will blow
past most newer 30 footers. An Express 30 may be rated a bit
slower,
but it could beat my 35s5 or the 33.7 on any given day.

All three of the boats above represent excellent mating of
the cruising
boat and racer. The 35s5 has the best cabin by far, but the
33.7 has
the merits of a much newer design. The Express 30 is quite
inexpensive
and like the J30 offer folks seeking more speed a way in
without
breaking the bank.

RB
35s5
NY0.

I have no f*cking idea.... sigh.... I think my original reason was that I
can sail for free and the WR was very wet in the north bay.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
Why did you get rid of it, Jon?

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Any similar in length multi will blow away a mono if the multi
is just off
the wind.

In fact, my old windrider 16, could torch just about any mono I
encountered,
even pointing high. I could and did do donuts around 35 foot
monos, even
though the windrider stopped everytime it encountered chop
larger than a
couple of feet. That was in 20+ kts in the north SF bay. Down
south in light
air, I beat every boat off Dana Point (mostly a beam reach)
except a 45 foot
catamaran, though I pretty much kept up with them until I gave
up at about 3
miles off the coast.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Rather than throw around a lot of BS like many others here,
I'm now
going to rate the 3 FASTEST racer/cruiser boats here, PERIOD.
So here
we go....

#1 Donal's 33.7: Yup, it's probably a bit faster than my
35s5 with
it's deep fin and higher pointing. Maybe on a reach I'd have
him in
some conditions, but the 33.7 is a more advanced and refined
hull. The
35s5 has it beat for cruising with a nicer interior.

#2 RB's 35s5: A fast boat that has beaten Express 35's and
First 38s
boat for boat, but there's no doubt that it takes a skilled
crew to get
the speed potential from this hull. Every owner says typical
speed is
great, but wringing out the top end is work.

#3 Loco's Express: While old and dated, boats like the
Express 30,
Santana 30/30 and J30 can still be wickedly fast boats that
will blow
past most newer 30 footers. An Express 30 may be rated a bit
slower,
but it could beat my 35s5 or the 33.7 on any given day.

All three of the boats above represent excellent mating of
the cruising
boat and racer. The 35s5 has the best cabin by far, but the
33.7 has
the merits of a much newer design. The Express 30 is quite
inexpensive
and like the J30 offer folks seeking more speed a way in
without
breaking the bank.

RB
35s5
NY0.

Now that's just BS....No-One our for a cruise around the bay will put
as much effort into trimming, tweaking and maintaining max VMG...ever!



Of my many sailing friends, all but two of us are racers. Aboard their
boats it's ALWAYS a race. Always tweaking, always pushing. I learned a
lot this summer because of that and I plan to push the 35s5 as well.
It's fun. This thread was started as: Fastest Racer/Cruisers. See the
opening post. Multihulls simply don't qualify and only one person in
this whole group seems to want one. I certainly don't know anyone who
wants one. Most of us dream of Baltics and Swans, not PDQ's or Prouts.

RB
35s5
NY

I would much prefer a multi. I've had my eye on the F-33 since it came out.
The true ocean cruiser is also a possibility, but I don't like the fact that
it isn't the folding type.

http://www.f-boat.com/f-33.html

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Now that's just BS....No-One our for a cruise around the bay will put
as much effort into trimming, tweaking and maintaining max VMG...ever!



Of my many sailing friends, all but two of us are racers. Aboard their
boats it's ALWAYS a race. Always tweaking, always pushing. I learned a
lot this summer because of that and I plan to push the 35s5 as well.
It's fun. This thread was started as: Fastest Racer/Cruisers. See the
opening post. Multihulls simply don't qualify and only one person in
this whole group seems to want one. I certainly don't know anyone who
wants one. Most of us dream of Baltics and Swans, not PDQ's or Prouts.

RB
35s5
NY