A Boat for a Hero
 

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
The motion of the vessel in bad weather can pose additional
risks, threatening to crush a person as the boat is tossed by wave

Exactly the point of not bringing them to the stern.

Jonathan, I'm not the author of those comments. They're from my Colgate
book. The bottom line illustrated by the rescue is that they found a
workable solution. The boat may have been rolling or other problems or
perhaps they could not get the divers to drop their gear (which was in
fact the case). You do what works and a swim platform, while not the
best first method, does offer yet another rescue option.

No disagreement here. What I'm emphasising is that just because it
worked once, doesn't mean it'll work the next time. I can't imagine
there would be rolling problems in the conditions described. As to the
divers not wanting to drop their gear, if I thought it would cause
more problems going for a stern recovery (you bad, bad, people, you),
I would give them the option of being saved (and removing their gear)
or waiting until the next boat came by. Perhaps they needed a bit of
motivation.




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A Boat for a Hero
 

In article wq9ff.113230$y_1.80114@edtnps89,
Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Gary" wrote in message
Come on guys, throw the guy a line, bring him aboard where it's easiest.
Probably on the scoop/swim platform on this boat. Certainly not on my
double ender.

That's the truth...... for me it would be aft of abeam alongside the
cockpit coaming... I can snap on a block&tackle to my boom and raise even
500lbs out of the water with little to no effort.

That's a good plan, but first contact with the MOB should ideally be
at the beam, then you can move them where you need to...is that where
you would make first contact with the people in the water?
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A Boat for a Hero
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

That's a good plan, but first contact with the MOB should ideally be
at the beam, then you can move them where you need to...is that where
you would make first contact with the people in the water?

Allow me to enlighten you... since it seems I've noticed that being a
"licensed" Captain means very little in your neck of the water..

Visual Contact first

Manoeuvring to close safely

Floating Device to Victim if situation allows

Where you actually undertake the initial physical contact for removal is
dependent on vessel design and sea state conditions. Abeam with the vessel
on the lee in a full keel boat. I might consider abeam with bow to the
wind/wave in a fin keeler

Actual removal of a victim from the water on my vessel would be ... as I
stated clearly.. tackled from aft of abeam in the lee, along the cockpit
coaming using a system I have designed and practiced with for that purpose.

CM

A Boat for a Hero
 

You didn't answer my quesiton. Where is your first contact with the MOB?
Beam?

Clearly, you can try to insult me all you want, but it would be nice if you
could answer my question if you're able.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Gcqff.119174$S4.88720@edtnps84...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

That's a good plan, but first contact with the MOB should ideally be
at the beam, then you can move them where you need to...is that where
you would make first contact with the people in the water?

Allow me to enlighten you... since it seems I've noticed that being a
"licensed" Captain means very little in your neck of the water..

Visual Contact first

Manoeuvring to close safely

Floating Device to Victim if situation allows

Where you actually undertake the initial physical contact for removal is
dependent on vessel design and sea state conditions. Abeam with the vessel
on the lee in a full keel boat. I might consider abeam with bow to the
wind/wave in a fin keeler

Actual removal of a victim from the water on my vessel would be ... as I
stated clearly.. tackled from aft of abeam in the lee, along the
cockpit coaming using a system I have designed and practiced with for that
purpose.

CM

A Boat for a Hero
 

Clearly you have comprehension problems along with the plethora of issues
you already suffer from.

What type of contact?
What type of boat?
What type of Sea state?

If you are referring to physical contact..... that could be accomplished on
any point from bow to stern. It's a matter of opportunity.

If you are referring to actual hoist... then it's a matter of vessel design
and systems available.

Both are affected by sea state.

If you had the intelligence to formulate a logical question.. you might get
an answer to suit your needs.

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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You didn't answer my quesiton. Where is your first contact with the MOB?
Beam?

Clearly, you can try to insult me all you want, but it would be nice if
you could answer my question if you're able.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Gcqff.119174$S4.88720@edtnps84...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

That's a good plan, but first contact with the MOB should ideally be
at the beam, then you can move them where you need to...is that where
you would make first contact with the people in the water?

Allow me to enlighten you... since it seems I've noticed that being a
"licensed" Captain means very little in your neck of the water..

Visual Contact first

Manoeuvring to close safely

Floating Device to Victim if situation allows

Where you actually undertake the initial physical contact for removal is
dependent on vessel design and sea state conditions. Abeam with the
vessel on the lee in a full keel boat. I might consider abeam with bow
to the wind/wave in a fin keeler

Actual removal of a victim from the water on my vessel would be ... as I
stated clearly.. tackled from aft of abeam in the lee, along the
cockpit coaming using a system I have designed and practiced with for
that purpose.

CM

A Boat for a Hero
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:4Zrff.119339$S4.35571@edtnps84...
Clearly you have comprehension problems along with the plethora of issues
you already suffer from.

You clearly have reading skill problems, since we're talking about a
sailboat.

What type of contact?

How many kinds are there? Physical contact between boat and MOB.

What type of boat?

Sailboat.

What type of Sea state?

As described previously.

If you are referring to physical contact..... that could be accomplished
on any point from bow to stern. It's a matter of opportunity.

NO! Wrong! At the beam is the most appropriate. If you truly don't
understand why, then you have no business on the water.

If you are referring to actual hoist... then it's a matter of vessel
design and systems available.

No. Your method for your boat makes perfect sense.

Both are affected by sea state.

Sure, but not for the sea state in the original post.

If you had the intelligence to formulate a logical question.. you might
get an answer to suit your needs.

Keep at the insults. You need the practice.

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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You didn't answer my quesiton. Where is your first contact with the MOB?
Beam?

Clearly, you can try to insult me all you want, but it would be nice if
you could answer my question if you're able.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Gcqff.119174$S4.88720@edtnps84...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

That's a good plan, but first contact with the MOB should ideally be
at the beam, then you can move them where you need to...is that where
you would make first contact with the people in the water?

Allow me to enlighten you... since it seems I've noticed that being a
"licensed" Captain means very little in your neck of the water..

Visual Contact first

Manoeuvring to close safely

Floating Device to Victim if situation allows

Where you actually undertake the initial physical contact for removal is
dependent on vessel design and sea state conditions. Abeam with the
vessel on the lee in a full keel boat. I might consider abeam with bow
to the wind/wave in a fin keeler

Actual removal of a victim from the water on my vessel would be ... as
I stated clearly.. tackled from aft of abeam in the lee, along the
cockpit coaming using a system I have designed and practiced with for
that purpose.

CM

A Boat for a Hero
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

You clearly have reading skill problems, since we're talking about a
sailboat.

Ganz.. do you practise at being this Stupid??

How many kinds are there? Physical contact between boat and MOB.

You might want to think that over..... but that would entail actual
brainwave activity!


NO! Wrong! At the beam is the most appropriate. If you truly don't
understand why, then you have no business on the water.

You idiot... you can't envision but one type of boat and one situation...
probably from your handy instructor's manual.... you haven't a clue and
act like some prima donna on the subject.


Keep at the insults. You need the practice.

How am I doin' so far ?

CM

A Boat for a Hero
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:tHvff.149720$Io.29812@clgrps13...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

You clearly have reading skill problems, since we're talking about a
sailboat.

Ganz.. do you practise at being this Stupid??

I'm not a natural like you!


How many kinds are there? Physical contact between boat and MOB.

You might want to think that over..... but that would entail actual
brainwave activity!

Please enlighten us. After all, we're just dumb Americans.


NO! Wrong! At the beam is the most appropriate. If you truly don't
understand why, then you have no business on the water.

You idiot... you can't envision but one type of boat and one situation...
probably from your handy instructor's manual.... you haven't a clue and
act like some prima donna on the subject.

No, you can't.

Keep at the insults. You need the practice.

How am I doin' so far ?

Poorly, but that's what I was expecting.

A Boat for a Zero
 

er...Super Duper Pooper Scooper...haven't you been following?
Need to eat your sprouts, Scotty!

(OK, they're all bad SF puns, resulting from a macroscopic
diet unwisely taken years ago, with a smattering of Sidney
Lanier. However, the book ahs been recently republish.)

Scotty wrote:
Why, what's SDPS really mean?

S
"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
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Joe wrote:

The perfect name and class for Swabbies boat...............

SDPS 1.

As an engineer Doug would comfirm.


No. That would have to be SDPS II.

Piers Anthony




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