A Boat for a Hero
 

Does your boat have a swim platform that helps to make it a safer
vessel? Or do you own a death trap like Sloco's Depress 30? Looks like
the 35s5 is designed for speed, comfort....and LIFESAVING!

MORE AMERICAN HEROES
The crew of Commotion, Ross Hunton, Astrid Hunton, Garie Blackwell
Wood, and Charlie Baumgartner, will receive the Arthur B. Hanson Rescue
Medal in recognition of their actions on July 22, 2001. US Sailing
Safety at Sea Committee member Cai Svendsen will make the presentation
Saturday, October 13 during the Columbus Day Regatta winners dinner in
Miami, FL.

Taking their turn as Race Committee for the day, Ross Hunton, and crew
went out in the 20 to 25 knot winds, and 3 to 5 foot seas for the start
at the Gulfstream Sailing Club in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. Air and water
temperatures were in the low 80s.

One and a half miles offshore, the crew saw something off to the side,
which turned out to be three scuba divers who had been separated from
their boat for more than an hour. The wind and waves continued to
build; Hunton called that the dive flag tethered to the divers be
reeled in, to prevent it from entangling the propeller on his Beneteau
35S5. When Ross came head to wind and stopped, the wind and waves
quickly blew the bow down away from their target. During the next pass,
he lay the boat ahull, drifting down on the divers position. When in
range, Ross' crew deployed three lines, one to each diver to provide
connection. Each was reeled over to the swim ladder in the scooped
transom, and was amazed to see how well this worked, hauling three
exhausted two-hundred pound men, plus their scuba equipment on board.

The US Sailing Arthur B. Hanson Rescue Medal is given to skippers of
pleasure boats or race support vessels who effect rescues of victims
from the water. The award is made for rescues in U.S. waters, or in
races that originate or terminate in a U.S. port. The Rescue Medal has
been in existence for twelve years and is administered by US Sailing's
Safety-at-Sea Committee (SASC).


RB
35s5
NY

A Boat for a Hero
 

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
Does your boat have a swim platform that helps to make it a safer
vessel? Or do you own a death trap like Sloco's Depress 30? Looks like
the 35s5 is designed for speed, comfort....and LIFESAVING!

I'm not sure that retrieving people like this in the conditions
described are something that I would want to try. I'm glad it worked
this time, but I would be concerned trying to get someone aboard from
the stern of a boat (scoop or not), since whatever hobby horsing the
boat does would tend to cause the boat to come down on the head of the
person being retrieved from the stern. Also, using a ladder of the
stern has the potential to jam people's fingers/hands/arms/stuff.
Also, you're pretty close to the prop, and if you had to start or
engage the engine, you would be putting people at risk.

Clearly, what they did worked, so it's hard to be critical, but it
sure wouldn't be my first choice. These are fairly typical conditions
where I sail, add very cold water, and I've practiced retrieving
someone. We definitely kept them away from the stern.

MORE AMERICAN HEROES
Taking their turn as Race Committee for the day, Ross Hunton, and crew
went out in the 20 to 25 knot winds, and 3 to 5 foot seas for the start
at the Gulfstream Sailing Club in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. Air and water
temperatures were in the low 80s.

Also, I'm not sure I would be concerned with the equipment in an
emergency situation. Again, it was nice that it was retrieved, but
that's secondary to getting the people on the boat. The modern stuff
(which I'm assuming they had, but in any case) includes a BC as part
of the tank, so if the equipment was disconnected from the diver, it
would still float.

connection. Each was reeled over to the swim ladder in the scooped
transom, and was amazed to see how well this worked, hauling three
exhausted two-hundred pound men, plus their scuba equipment on board.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

A Boat for a Hero
 

Exactly why the Boob is a boob. In rough conditions you bring someone
back on board at max beam.

A Boat for a Hero
 

Exactly why the Boob is a boob. In rough conditions you bring someone
back on board at max beam.


Wrong, wrong, wrong. I'm always saddened by morons like Sloco giving
out dumb and dangerous advice. I'm sure those rescued divers are glad
Sloco wasn't the boat on the scene (he probably would have been calling
for help anyway!).

While professional rescue crews employ vessels purpose built for
emergencies, the recreational boater may find themselves involved in a
rescue operation. This can happen when:
1) They are first on the scene.
2) The rescue vessel instructs them to assist is a specific manner.
Because a recreational vessel is not designed for rescue, the crew must
evaluate the conditions and risks carefully. There are no hard and fast
rules for bringing people aboard, but the order of the day is speed. A
human being, submersed for even short periods, can experience heart
failure. The motion of the vessel in bad weather can pose additional
risks, threatening to crush a person as the boat is tossed by wave
action. Powerboats are generally advised to retrieve a victim at the
rear quarter, just aft of the widest point of beam. Sailing vessels,
which may have a more predictable and controlled motion may try this,
and also from the stern, especially when making some headway. Again,
the specific state of seas and motion of the vessel may dictate
different tactics.

What a dick, Sloco is. These guys rescue some divers using a
recreational sailboat and a swim platform, get a medal, and like a
little girl he's gonna tell them that they saved lives wrong!!!!


RB
35s5 XL, WK 34-09
NY

A Boat for a Hero
 

The motion of the vessel in bad weather can pose additional
risks, threatening to crush a person as the boat is tossed by wave


Exactly the point of not bringing them to the stern.


Jonathan, I'm not the author of those comments. They're from my Colgate
book. The bottom line illustrated by the rescue is that they found a
workable solution. The boat may have been rolling or other problems or
perhaps they could not get the divers to drop their gear (which was in
fact the case). You do what works and a swim platform, while not the
best first method, does offer yet another rescue option.

RB

A Boat for a Hero
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
The motion of the vessel in bad weather can pose additional

risks, threatening to crush a person as the boat is tossed by wave



Exactly the point of not bringing them to the stern.


Jonathan, I'm not the author of those comments. They're from my Colgate
book. The bottom line illustrated by the rescue is that they found a
workable solution. The boat may have been rolling or other problems or
perhaps they could not get the divers to drop their gear (which was in
fact the case). You do what works and a swim platform, while not the
best first method, does offer yet another rescue option.

RB

Come on guys, throw the guy a line, bring him aboard where it's easiest.
Probably on the scoop/swim platform on this boat. Certainly not on my
double ender.

Shove the colgate book.

A Boat for a Zero
 

Super Duper Pooper Scooper

A Boat for a Hero
 

A hero is a sandwich.


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does your boat have a swim platform that helps to make it a safer
vessel? Or do you own a death trap like Sloco's Depress 30? Looks like
the 35s5 is designed for speed, comfort....and LIFESAVING!

MORE AMERICAN HEROES
The crew of Commotion, Ross Hunton, Astrid Hunton, Garie Blackwell
Wood, and Charlie Baumgartner, will receive the Arthur B. Hanson Rescue
Medal in recognition of their actions on July 22, 2001. US Sailing
Safety at Sea Committee member Cai Svendsen will make the presentation
Saturday, October 13 during the Columbus Day Regatta winners dinner in
Miami, FL.

Taking their turn as Race Committee for the day, Ross Hunton, and crew
went out in the 20 to 25 knot winds, and 3 to 5 foot seas for the start
at the Gulfstream Sailing Club in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. Air and water
temperatures were in the low 80s.

One and a half miles offshore, the crew saw something off to the side,
which turned out to be three scuba divers who had been separated from
their boat for more than an hour. The wind and waves continued to
build; Hunton called that the dive flag tethered to the divers be
reeled in, to prevent it from entangling the propeller on his Beneteau
35S5. When Ross came head to wind and stopped, the wind and waves
quickly blew the bow down away from their target. During the next pass,
he lay the boat ahull, drifting down on the divers position. When in
range, Ross' crew deployed three lines, one to each diver to provide
connection. Each was reeled over to the swim ladder in the scooped
transom, and was amazed to see how well this worked, hauling three
exhausted two-hundred pound men, plus their scuba equipment on board.

The US Sailing Arthur B. Hanson Rescue Medal is given to skippers of
pleasure boats or race support vessels who effect rescues of victims
from the water. The award is made for rescues in U.S. waters, or in
races that originate or terminate in a U.S. port. The Rescue Medal has
been in existence for twelve years and is administered by US Sailing's
Safety-at-Sea Committee (SASC).


RB
35s5
NY

A Boat for a coward
 

"Capt. Rob" barfed out these gems
oups.com...
Does your boat have a swim platform that helps to make it a safer
vessel? Or do you own a death trap like Sloco's Depress 30? Looks like
the 35s5 is designed for speed, comfort....and LIFESAVING!


Bwahaahhahahhahahhahahhahhahaha

Paint it yellow.

John Cairns

A Boat for a Hero
 

You do what works and a swim platform, while not the
best first method, does offer yet another rescue option.

Well gee that's not what you said a few posts back.
Remember: "Wrong, wrong, wrong"
Pick yourself up, brush off and try to learn something about boating.

A Boat for a coward
 

The swim platform on the 35s5 was not designed for the purpose of
lifesaving. It was designed to allow Beneteau to sell a 32 foot boat
for the
price of a 35 foot boat.

Actually, without the platform she measures 34.8 feet. Just like most
other boats these days. I wonder how they still got such a huge cabin
into a 34.8 foot boat? It's close to the old Catalina 34 in length if
not actually longer and I'm talking about the Cat without a platform.
Same headroom as the cruising catalina, but with bigger bunks and head.
And of course the cabin is much bigger than my C&C 32.
Swim platforms are awesome, especially if you swim, have a dinghy or
like to get your toes wet! They also SAVE LIVES!

RB
35s5
NY

A Boat for a Hero
 

Well gee that's not what you said a few posts back.
Remember: "Wrong, wrong, wrong"


Wrong wrong wrong was to your post that picking up on the widest beam
was the ONLY option. It's not. You're ignorant, narrow minded, own a
slower more dated boat and won't get laid tonight!
That's your life. Enjoy!

RB
35s5
NY

A Boat for a Hero
 

"Gary" wrote in message
Come on guys, throw the guy a line, bring him aboard where it's easiest.
Probably on the scoop/swim platform on this boat. Certainly not on my
double ender.

That's the truth...... for me it would be aft of abeam alongside the
cockpit coaming... I can snap on a block&tackle to my boom and raise even
500lbs out of the water with little to no effort.

CM

A Boat for a Zero
 

The perfect name and class for Swabbies boat............... SDPS 1.

As an engineer Doug would comfirm.

Joe

A Boat for a Hero
 

You're ignorant, narrow minded, own a slower more dated boat
.

Funny thing though ........... I don't think we've ever been beat by a
boat that started 5 minutes after us. In fact we've beat boats that
started 5 minutes ahead of us. BAM .............. Bitch slap!

A Boat for a Zero
 

Joe wrote:
The perfect name and class for Swabbies boat............... SDPS 1.

As an engineer Doug would comfirm.


No. That would have to be SDPS II.

Piers Anthony

A Boat for a coward
 

"Swab Rob" wrote in


Swim platforms are awesome, especially if you swim, have a
dinghy or
like to get your toes wet! They also SAVE LIVES!


And great for peeing off of.

SBV

A Boat for a Zero
 

Why, what's SDPS really mean?

S
"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Joe wrote:
The perfect name and class for Swabbies boat...............
SDPS 1.

As an engineer Doug would comfirm.


No. That would have to be SDPS II.

Piers Anthony

A Boat for a Hero
 

No, that's a compass.

"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:21:52 GMT, "jlrogers" wrote:

A hero is a sandwich.



No, that's a gyro!


Commodore Joe Redcloud

A Boat for a coward
 

Even better for taking a dump or swishing out your cedar bucket.

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Swab Rob" wrote in


Swim platforms are awesome, especially if you swim, have a
dinghy or
like to get your toes wet! They also SAVE LIVES!


And great for peeing off of.

SBV

A Boat for a Hero
 

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
The motion of the vessel in bad weather can pose additional
risks, threatening to crush a person as the boat is tossed by wave

Exactly the point of not bringing them to the stern.

Jonathan, I'm not the author of those comments. They're from my Colgate
book. The bottom line illustrated by the rescue is that they found a
workable solution. The boat may have been rolling or other problems or
perhaps they could not get the divers to drop their gear (which was in
fact the case). You do what works and a swim platform, while not the
best first method, does offer yet another rescue option.

No disagreement here. What I'm emphasising is that just because it
worked once, doesn't mean it'll work the next time. I can't imagine
there would be rolling problems in the conditions described. As to the
divers not wanting to drop their gear, if I thought it would cause
more problems going for a stern recovery (you bad, bad, people, you),
I would give them the option of being saved (and removing their gear)
or waiting until the next boat came by. Perhaps they needed a bit of
motivation.




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

A Boat for a Hero
 

In article wq9ff.113230$y_1.80114@edtnps89,
Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Gary" wrote in message
Come on guys, throw the guy a line, bring him aboard where it's easiest.
Probably on the scoop/swim platform on this boat. Certainly not on my
double ender.

That's the truth...... for me it would be aft of abeam alongside the
cockpit coaming... I can snap on a block&tackle to my boom and raise even
500lbs out of the water with little to no effort.

That's a good plan, but first contact with the MOB should ideally be
at the beam, then you can move them where you need to...is that where
you would make first contact with the people in the water?
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

A Boat for a Hero
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

That's a good plan, but first contact with the MOB should ideally be
at the beam, then you can move them where you need to...is that where
you would make first contact with the people in the water?

Allow me to enlighten you... since it seems I've noticed that being a
"licensed" Captain means very little in your neck of the water..

Visual Contact first

Manoeuvring to close safely

Floating Device to Victim if situation allows

Where you actually undertake the initial physical contact for removal is
dependent on vessel design and sea state conditions. Abeam with the vessel
on the lee in a full keel boat. I might consider abeam with bow to the
wind/wave in a fin keeler

Actual removal of a victim from the water on my vessel would be ... as I
stated clearly.. tackled from aft of abeam in the lee, along the cockpit
coaming using a system I have designed and practiced with for that purpose.

CM

A Boat for a Hero
 

You didn't answer my quesiton. Where is your first contact with the MOB?
Beam?

Clearly, you can try to insult me all you want, but it would be nice if you
could answer my question if you're able.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Gcqff.119174$S4.88720@edtnps84...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

That's a good plan, but first contact with the MOB should ideally be
at the beam, then you can move them where you need to...is that where
you would make first contact with the people in the water?

Allow me to enlighten you... since it seems I've noticed that being a
"licensed" Captain means very little in your neck of the water..

Visual Contact first

Manoeuvring to close safely

Floating Device to Victim if situation allows

Where you actually undertake the initial physical contact for removal is
dependent on vessel design and sea state conditions. Abeam with the vessel
on the lee in a full keel boat. I might consider abeam with bow to the
wind/wave in a fin keeler

Actual removal of a victim from the water on my vessel would be ... as I
stated clearly.. tackled from aft of abeam in the lee, along the
cockpit coaming using a system I have designed and practiced with for that
purpose.

CM

A Boat for a Hero
 

Clearly you have comprehension problems along with the plethora of issues
you already suffer from.

What type of contact?
What type of boat?
What type of Sea state?

If you are referring to physical contact..... that could be accomplished on
any point from bow to stern. It's a matter of opportunity.

If you are referring to actual hoist... then it's a matter of vessel design
and systems available.

Both are affected by sea state.

If you had the intelligence to formulate a logical question.. you might get
an answer to suit your needs.

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You didn't answer my quesiton. Where is your first contact with the MOB?
Beam?

Clearly, you can try to insult me all you want, but it would be nice if
you could answer my question if you're able.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Gcqff.119174$S4.88720@edtnps84...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

That's a good plan, but first contact with the MOB should ideally be
at the beam, then you can move them where you need to...is that where
you would make first contact with the people in the water?

Allow me to enlighten you... since it seems I've noticed that being a
"licensed" Captain means very little in your neck of the water..

Visual Contact first

Manoeuvring to close safely

Floating Device to Victim if situation allows

Where you actually undertake the initial physical contact for removal is
dependent on vessel design and sea state conditions. Abeam with the
vessel on the lee in a full keel boat. I might consider abeam with bow
to the wind/wave in a fin keeler

Actual removal of a victim from the water on my vessel would be ... as I
stated clearly.. tackled from aft of abeam in the lee, along the
cockpit coaming using a system I have designed and practiced with for
that purpose.

CM

A Boat for a Hero
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:4Zrff.119339$S4.35571@edtnps84...
Clearly you have comprehension problems along with the plethora of issues
you already suffer from.

You clearly have reading skill problems, since we're talking about a
sailboat.

What type of contact?

How many kinds are there? Physical contact between boat and MOB.

What type of boat?

Sailboat.

What type of Sea state?

As described previously.

If you are referring to physical contact..... that could be accomplished
on any point from bow to stern. It's a matter of opportunity.

NO! Wrong! At the beam is the most appropriate. If you truly don't
understand why, then you have no business on the water.

If you are referring to actual hoist... then it's a matter of vessel
design and systems available.

No. Your method for your boat makes perfect sense.

Both are affected by sea state.

Sure, but not for the sea state in the original post.

If you had the intelligence to formulate a logical question.. you might
get an answer to suit your needs.

Keep at the insults. You need the practice.

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
You didn't answer my quesiton. Where is your first contact with the MOB?
Beam?

Clearly, you can try to insult me all you want, but it would be nice if
you could answer my question if you're able.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:Gcqff.119174$S4.88720@edtnps84...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

That's a good plan, but first contact with the MOB should ideally be
at the beam, then you can move them where you need to...is that where
you would make first contact with the people in the water?

Allow me to enlighten you... since it seems I've noticed that being a
"licensed" Captain means very little in your neck of the water..

Visual Contact first

Manoeuvring to close safely

Floating Device to Victim if situation allows

Where you actually undertake the initial physical contact for removal is
dependent on vessel design and sea state conditions. Abeam with the
vessel on the lee in a full keel boat. I might consider abeam with bow
to the wind/wave in a fin keeler

Actual removal of a victim from the water on my vessel would be ... as
I stated clearly.. tackled from aft of abeam in the lee, along the
cockpit coaming using a system I have designed and practiced with for
that purpose.

CM

A Boat for a Hero
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

You clearly have reading skill problems, since we're talking about a
sailboat.

Ganz.. do you practise at being this Stupid??

How many kinds are there? Physical contact between boat and MOB.

You might want to think that over..... but that would entail actual
brainwave activity!


NO! Wrong! At the beam is the most appropriate. If you truly don't
understand why, then you have no business on the water.

You idiot... you can't envision but one type of boat and one situation...
probably from your handy instructor's manual.... you haven't a clue and
act like some prima donna on the subject.


Keep at the insults. You need the practice.

How am I doin' so far ?

CM

A Boat for a Hero
 

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:tHvff.149720$Io.29812@clgrps13...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message

You clearly have reading skill problems, since we're talking about a
sailboat.

Ganz.. do you practise at being this Stupid??

I'm not a natural like you!


How many kinds are there? Physical contact between boat and MOB.

You might want to think that over..... but that would entail actual
brainwave activity!

Please enlighten us. After all, we're just dumb Americans.


NO! Wrong! At the beam is the most appropriate. If you truly don't
understand why, then you have no business on the water.

You idiot... you can't envision but one type of boat and one situation...
probably from your handy instructor's manual.... you haven't a clue and
act like some prima donna on the subject.

No, you can't.

Keep at the insults. You need the practice.

How am I doin' so far ?

Poorly, but that's what I was expecting.

A Boat for a Zero
 

er...Super Duper Pooper Scooper...haven't you been following?
Need to eat your sprouts, Scotty!

(OK, they're all bad SF puns, resulting from a macroscopic
diet unwisely taken years ago, with a smattering of Sidney
Lanier. However, the book ahs been recently republish.)

Scotty wrote:
Why, what's SDPS really mean?

S
"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Joe wrote:

The perfect name and class for Swabbies boat...............

SDPS 1.

As an engineer Doug would comfirm.


No. That would have to be SDPS II.

Piers Anthony




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