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Why not give us a list of 30 footers that are roomier & faster?

Capt. Rob wrote:
.... Loco picked a
cruiser/racer and yet he admits he doesn't do anything but races and
daysails.
Not a good choice based on the info given by Loco, now is it?

Is that the same as admitting you don't know?

DSK

"Gary" wrote in

What are the great all round boats considering seakindliness,
seaworthyness, speed, simplicity and the other attributes of a great
sailboat.

Cabo Rico 34 & 38

Hans Christian 32 & 38

Nordica 16, 20 & 30

Halman 20 & 27

Lord Nelson 42

Contessa 32

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Actually there are a ton of boats that do exactly what the Nordica does
and they do it far better.

No there isn't Bob..... not tons.... maybe a half dozen comparable and a
few one off builds. The Hans Christian 33 is a very nice...
http://www.hanschristianyachts.com/

But there aren't too many boats that do what
a Menger does, which is why it's a standout.

Race boat which will be subject to design improvements in a few years and a
better model will be built.

CM

The Nordica 300 is a sweet boat. Worked in tandem with them in 91
removing old platforms in the Gulf, At the time they had an A frame on
the stern. The crew was Jelious of us, we made on average 300% more
money then they did. They had the nicer boat.

http://www.fma.fi/palvelut/tietopalv...mg/nordica.jpg

The ultimate sailboat is a Sundeer IMO

A couple of full keelers were buildt
http://www.ravencruise.com/images/Ra...tta%202002.jpg

Joe

Joe wrote:

The Nordica 300 is a sweet boat. Worked in tandem with them in 91
removing old platforms in the Gulf, At the time they had an A frame on
the stern. The crew was Jelious of us, we made on average 300% more
money then they did. They had the nicer boat.

http://www.fma.fi/palvelut/tietopalv...mg/nordica.jpg

Wow. Does that thing really have three bow thrusters?

The ultimate sailboat is a Sundeer IMO

A couple of full keelers were buildt
http://www.ravencruise.com/images/Ra...tta%202002.jpg

No Sundeers were built with "full keels" in the usual sense of the term.
A few of them had bulb-dagger-keels, the rest were stubby (but
efficient) fin keels. They do like to put the rudder on a large & sturdy
skeg, maybe that's what you're thinking of?

DSK

Not a good choice based on the info given by Loco, now is it?

Is that the same as admitting you don't know?

Guess I got you on that one. J29. Better for Loco's needs as he stated
them. He probably bought the Express thinking he might cruise. Wrong
boat.

RB
35s5
NY

a Menger does, which is why it's a standout.

Race boat which will be subject to design improvements in a few years
and a
better model will be built.

Holy crap. The Menger RACE BOAT...

http://www.buy-a-boat.com/Menger23_.jpg

Mooron knows boats even better than Loco!

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Personally, I'd consider something like this
http://www.boatshow.com/Passoa54.html

Like I said, it's a pretty pointless question. A Menger Cat is a great
boat if that's what fits your sailing grounds and other requirements.
When we made a list of what we wanted in a boat, we looked to some
"premium" makes that failed to make the grade by basic design. A great
boat is determined by what your needs are and how well they are met by
a given design, not by some Trawler clown doing google searches for
boats he'll never own or even sail.
Gary, if you are serious about the question try drawing up some
parameters. What size, typical sailing conditions expected, cost and so
on. If you sailing in an area with too little water a lot of great
boats won't be so great for you.

Robert B
35s5
NY

I'm not looking for lessons on boat buying or a diatribe on the quality
of the question. I am simply asking, if you were selecting a boat for
the "Hall of Fame: so to speak, which would you choose and what would be
your reasons for choosing that boat?

I understand that something like the Passoa 54 is a lovely boat, but is
it a hall of famer?

Gaz

Gary wrote:
I'm not looking for lessons on boat buying or a diatribe on the quality
of the question.

Especailly not from a crank-yanker like Bubbles (BTW he's nuts).

... I am simply asking, if you were selecting a boat for
the "Hall of Fame: so to speak, which would you choose and what would be
your reasons for choosing that boat?

OK
There are a LOT of boats that might be entered, largely because it's
such a personal question. Everybody has different tastes and different
priorities.

I'm tempted to nominate the Hunter 19 because I've never seen a
trailerable boat that was so practical & so comfortable, but it could
have been a better boat even so. Instead I'll say the Johnson 18, rugged
& stable, good looking, very responsive, fast enough to give you the
feeling that you're in a Road Runner cartoon.

Stone Horse- 23' classic, lovely boat, sails quite well and very able in
bad weather, surprisingly comfortable for her size.

Laser 28- a roomy 28 footer, well built, faster than most 32 footers;
another in a similar category is the Olson 911. If you get 3-foot-itis
get a Frers 33.

Another great boat (and not too expensive) is the old Morgan 30. Not a
grand prix boat but can keep up with much newer racer-cruisers of her
size, not as roomy but with good stowage & 6'3" headroom, a handsome
looking boat to my eye, and shallow draft for getting the best anchorage.

I understand that something like the Passoa 54 is a lovely boat, but is
it a hall of famer?

Depends on if you like aluminum. It makes a lot of sense especially for
bigger boats & boats that will go where conditions are tough. They have
to be very well insulated though, or the crew freezes even in mild
weather. But the Garcia boats are pretty IMHO (although I don't like the
traveller up on a crash bar), they sail very well, definitely seaworthy
as can be, and the shoal draft is a huge cruising benefit.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

There are a LOT of boats that might be entered, largely because it's
such a personal question. Everybody has different tastes and different
priorities.

Wow, note that Doug just repeated me. Amazing and shameless at the same
time!

RB
35s5
NY