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So what are the great boats? I think most would agree it isn't any
Benehuntalina. What about Valiants? Folkboats? Fast Passage 39?

What are the great all round boats considering seakindliness,
seaworthyness, speed, simplicity and the other attributes of a great
sailboat.

Gaz

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So what are the great boats? I think most would agree it isn't any
Benehuntalina. What about Valiants? Folkboats? Fast Passage 39?


Oh boy.


RB
35s5
NY

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"Gary" wrote in message
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So what are the great boats? I think most would agree it isn't any
Benehuntalina. What about Valiants? Folkboats? Fast Passage 39?

What are the great all round boats considering seakindliness,
seaworthyness, speed, simplicity and the other attributes of a great
sailboat.

The 40 and 41 Passports.

Max

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The 40 and 41 Passports.


Those are good boats, but in truth there are a lot of good boats at
various price points. I view great boats as the ones that reshaped the
industry and sailing world. For that reason I'd call J24, Catalina 22,
25, 27, 30, CD Typhoon and the Rhodes 19 all great boats. For a price
be damned list, you can go on endlessly with Baltics, Swans and
Oysters....all great quality vessels. It's kinda of a useless list to
make without breaking it down by application. We chose our "great boat"
by application/intended usage.

RB
35s5
NY

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"Gary" wrote
So what are the great boats? I think most would agree it isn't any
Benehuntalina. What about Valiants? Folkboats? Fast Passage 39?


The issue with the Benehuntalina crowd isn't that they're not pretty
good boats (many of them) but that they're so common.

What are the great all round boats considering seakindliness,
seaworthyness, speed, simplicity and the other attributes of a great
sailboat.


Usually the key attributes of a sailboat are functional opposites.
Seakindliness is very easy to achieve with a heavy boat, and a heavy
boat is slow.

Draft is a keey issue as well IMHO


Maxprop wrote:
The 40 and 41 Passports.


Shannon

Hinckley

Morris

Personally, I'd consider something like this
http://www.boatshow.com/Passoa54.html

Anything built by Carroll, Holby, or New Orleans Marine.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Personally, I'd consider something like this
http://www.boatshow.com/Passoa54.html


Like I said, it's a pretty pointless question. A Menger Cat is a great
boat if that's what fits your sailing grounds and other requirements.
When we made a list of what we wanted in a boat, we looked to some
"premium" makes that failed to make the grade by basic design. A great
boat is determined by what your needs are and how well they are met by
a given design, not by some Trawler clown doing google searches for
boats he'll never own or even sail.
Gary, if you are serious about the question try drawing up some
parameters. What size, typical sailing conditions expected, cost and so
on. If you sailing in an area with too little water a lot of great
boats won't be so great for you.

Robert B
35s5
NY

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You can't do better than a Nordica 30'.

SBV


"Gary" wrote in message
news:rQRdf.502271$tl2.255581@pd7tw3no...
So what are the great boats? I think most would agree it isn't
any
Benehuntalina. What about Valiants? Folkboats? Fast Passage
39?

What are the great all round boats considering seakindliness,
seaworthyness, speed, simplicity and the other attributes of a
great
sailboat.

Gaz

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You can't do better than a Nordica 30'.


Actually there are a ton of boats that do exactly what the Nordica does
and they do it far better. But there aren't too many boats that do what
a Menger does, which is why it's a standout. Jeff's PDQ is also in that
arena though there are other good cats on the market.
If your boat is specific to your needs and does better than others at
the price point then you have a great boat. Loco does not have a great
boat because there are boats better suited for his needs.

RB
35s5...a great boat
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
... Loco does not have a great
boat because there are boats better suited for his needs.


I guess you know what Loco "needs"?

Why not give us a list of 30 footers that are roomier & faster?

DSK

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guess you know what Loco "needs"?

Why not give us a list of 30 footers that are roomier & faster?


Guess you don't read people's posts. Typical selfish powerboater. Loco
has already stated MANY times that he doesn't cruise. So a J29 would
have served him better as it's faster, has rig options and a racing
class that actually can be found in many areas. Loco picked a
cruiser/racer and yet he admits he doesn't do anything but races and
daysails.
Not a good choice based on the info given by Loco, now is it?

RB
35s5...the right boat for daysails, racing AND weekend cruises!
NY

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Why not give us a list of 30 footers that are roomier & faster?


Capt. Rob wrote:
.... Loco picked a
cruiser/racer and yet he admits he doesn't do anything but races and
daysails.
Not a good choice based on the info given by Loco, now is it?


Is that the same as admitting you don't know?

DSK

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"Gary" wrote in

What are the great all round boats considering seakindliness,
seaworthyness, speed, simplicity and the other attributes of a great
sailboat.

Cabo Rico 34 & 38

Hans Christian 32 & 38

Nordica 16, 20 & 30

Halman 20 & 27

Lord Nelson 42

Contessa 32


CM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Actually there are a ton of boats that do exactly what the Nordica does
and they do it far better.

No there isn't Bob..... not tons.... maybe a half dozen comparable and a
few one off builds. The Hans Christian 33 is a very nice...
http://www.hanschristianyachts.com/

But there aren't too many boats that do what
a Menger does, which is why it's a standout.

Race boat which will be subject to design improvements in a few years and a
better model will be built.

CM

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The Nordica 300 is a sweet boat. Worked in tandem with them in 91
removing old platforms in the Gulf, At the time they had an A frame on
the stern. The crew was Jelious of us, we made on average 300% more
money then they did. They had the nicer boat.

http://www.fma.fi/palvelut/tietopalv...mg/nordica.jpg


The ultimate sailboat is a Sundeer IMO

A couple of full keelers were buildt
http://www.ravencruise.com/images/Ra...tta%202002.jpg

Joe

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Joe wrote:

The Nordica 300 is a sweet boat. Worked in tandem with them in 91
removing old platforms in the Gulf, At the time they had an A frame on
the stern. The crew was Jelious of us, we made on average 300% more
money then they did. They had the nicer boat.

http://www.fma.fi/palvelut/tietopalv...mg/nordica.jpg


Wow. Does that thing really have three bow thrusters?



The ultimate sailboat is a Sundeer IMO

A couple of full keelers were buildt
http://www.ravencruise.com/images/Ra...tta%202002.jpg


No Sundeers were built with "full keels" in the usual sense of the term.
A few of them had bulb-dagger-keels, the rest were stubby (but
efficient) fin keels. They do like to put the rudder on a large & sturdy
skeg, maybe that's what you're thinking of?

DSK

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Not a good choice based on the info given by Loco, now is it?

Is that the same as admitting you don't know?


Guess I got you on that one. J29. Better for Loco's needs as he stated
them. He probably bought the Express thinking he might cruise. Wrong
boat.

RB
35s5
NY

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a Menger does, which is why it's a standout.


Race boat which will be subject to design improvements in a few years
and a
better model will be built.

Holy crap. The Menger RACE BOAT...

http://www.buy-a-boat.com/Menger23_.jpg

Mooron knows boats even better than Loco!


RB
35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Personally, I'd consider something like this
http://www.boatshow.com/Passoa54.html


Like I said, it's a pretty pointless question. A Menger Cat is a great
boat if that's what fits your sailing grounds and other requirements.
When we made a list of what we wanted in a boat, we looked to some
"premium" makes that failed to make the grade by basic design. A great
boat is determined by what your needs are and how well they are met by
a given design, not by some Trawler clown doing google searches for
boats he'll never own or even sail.
Gary, if you are serious about the question try drawing up some
parameters. What size, typical sailing conditions expected, cost and so
on. If you sailing in an area with too little water a lot of great
boats won't be so great for you.

Robert B
35s5
NY

I'm not looking for lessons on boat buying or a diatribe on the quality
of the question. I am simply asking, if you were selecting a boat for
the "Hall of Fame: so to speak, which would you choose and what would be
your reasons for choosing that boat?

I understand that something like the Passoa 54 is a lovely boat, but is
it a hall of famer?

Gaz

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Gary wrote:
I'm not looking for lessons on boat buying or a diatribe on the quality
of the question.

Especailly not from a crank-yanker like Bubbles (BTW he's nuts).

... I am simply asking, if you were selecting a boat for
the "Hall of Fame: so to speak, which would you choose and what would be
your reasons for choosing that boat?


OK
There are a LOT of boats that might be entered, largely because it's
such a personal question. Everybody has different tastes and different
priorities.

I'm tempted to nominate the Hunter 19 because I've never seen a
trailerable boat that was so practical & so comfortable, but it could
have been a better boat even so. Instead I'll say the Johnson 18, rugged
& stable, good looking, very responsive, fast enough to give you the
feeling that you're in a Road Runner cartoon.

Stone Horse- 23' classic, lovely boat, sails quite well and very able in
bad weather, surprisingly comfortable for her size.

Laser 28- a roomy 28 footer, well built, faster than most 32 footers;
another in a similar category is the Olson 911. If you get 3-foot-itis
get a Frers 33.

Another great boat (and not too expensive) is the old Morgan 30. Not a
grand prix boat but can keep up with much newer racer-cruisers of her
size, not as roomy but with good stowage & 6'3" headroom, a handsome
looking boat to my eye, and shallow draft for getting the best anchorage.

I understand that something like the Passoa 54 is a lovely boat, but is
it a hall of famer?

Depends on if you like aluminum. It makes a lot of sense especially for
bigger boats & boats that will go where conditions are tough. They have
to be very well insulated though, or the crew freezes even in mild
weather. But the Garcia boats are pretty IMHO (although I don't like the
traveller up on a crash bar), they sail very well, definitely seaworthy
as can be, and the shoal draft is a huge cruising benefit.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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There are a LOT of boats that might be entered, largely because it's
such a personal question. Everybody has different tastes and different
priorities.


Wow, note that Doug just repeated me. Amazing and shameless at the same
time!


RB
35s5
NY

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Loco picked a cruiser/racer and yet he admits he doesn't do anything
but races and
daysails.

I think I've always said "mostly"

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So a J29 would have served him better as it's faster, has rig options
and a racing
class that actually can be found in many areas.

Not true. I was done bending over down below when I sold my Merit.

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So a J29 would have served him better as it's faster, has rig options
and a racing
class that actually can be found in many areas.

rgnmstr wrote:
Not true. I was done bending over down below when I sold my Merit.


Dang, can't you even wait for Scotty to gay up the thread first??

DSK

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Yes and Cort Nozzles on the stern, Dynamic positioning system. Good to
within 3 ft just click where you want the boat to stay and point
computer does the rest.

I coulda swore Sundeer made a couple of custom full keelers.

Joe

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Joe wrote:
I coulda swore Sundeer made a couple of custom full keelers.


Maybe they did, and never publicized them? I never heard of any.

DSK

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I think you mostly said "always"

You wern't here. You were still locked up on the reservation.

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Captain Joe Redcloud© wrote:
Maybe you should try and get a refund for that CD.


???

You paid for a date with a cross dresser?

DSK

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"Swab Rob" wrote
If your boat is specific to your needs and does better than
others at
the price point then you have a great boat.

yes, I do.

SV

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"Swab Rob" wrote


Guess you don't read people's posts. Typical selfish
powerboater. Loco
has already stated MANY times that he doesn't cruise.

Guess *YOU* don't read people's posts. Loco has posted quite
often about overnighting in his boat.

SV

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Guess *YOU* don't read people's posts. Loco has posted quite
often about overnighting in his boat.


He doesn't cruise. You can overnite in a J29 just fine...and have a
better boat for what he likes. A J29 is a good match for my 35s5 and is
tons of fun. Plus, lots around and no inboard on many to hassle with.
It's a great boat.

RB
35s5
NY

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"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
I think you mostly said "always"

You wern't here. You were still locked up on the reservation.


Yup, the Chief caught him in a squaws dress, again.



SV

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DSK wrote:
Joe wrote:

I coulda swore Sundeer made a couple of custom full keelers.


Maybe they did, and never publicized them? I never heard of any.

DSK

Sundeer boat are not on my list, not because they aren't great boats but
because of their size. I think it is easier to make big boats pretty
and capable. The challenge is small boats. How abour the Bristol
Channel Cutter?

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Small, get a Flicka, or Dana. Nothing better

Joe