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Bob Crantz wrote:
Did those things open with compressed air? I thought it was electric motors.
I was not a BT.

But at least your heart's in the right place.

Actually, a lot of people over in the boiler room weren't BTs either
regardless of what it said on their shirt.

.... I remember the air vent between the two boilers that you
could sit under.

A lifesaver, especially in the Persian Gulf. A friend of mine used to
bring a sheet from bunk and make himself a little air lock under vent.

... At least the engine room had AC in the control room.

Do you think they still have the same OBA's?


Last time I was on a Navy ship, a little over ten years ago, they did.
In fact I recognized the serial numbers on some of the canisters.

DSK

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The only law I ever saw a Mexicans break was
****ing in public. From what I've seen they are
a hard working people.

I'm more worried about the needy-zero's who
won't, not can't, work, and suddenly find themselves
hungry, cold, or both.

I don't mind that
"rgnmstr" wrote
A lightbulb should go off in the heads of Americans while watching what
is going on in France. What will we do when one day the millions of
Mexicans who have entered the US and spread throughout the country
decide to start rioting and burning.

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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:02:59 -0800, rgnmstr wrote:


How about the liberal Supreme Courts
rulling this year that allows local governments to take private property
and give it to private developers? Are you ready to give your house to a
guy who wants your lot to build a strip center? I can't wait till that's
overturned and it will be.

Not quite accurate. Seven of the nine Justices on that "liberal" Supreme
Court, were appointed by Republicans. Secondly, while I think the ruling
was a travesty, the New London Development Corporation was "a private
nonprofit entity established some years earlier to assist the City in
planning economic development", but it hardly fits most people's
definition of a "private developer." The ruling hinged on "public use",
not private gain.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...0&invol=04-108

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When I lived in Arizona (Tucson), I noticed a few things.

There were a hell of a lot of Hispanics working minimum wage jobs.

There were 'help wanted' ads in a lot of shop windows.

There were Anglo beggars hitting on people outside shops wanting staff.

I never saw a Hispanic beggar.

My conclusion is that AZ, NM, Texas and probably California would grind
to a halt without the illegals doing all the 'scut work' jobs.

PDW

In article , Jonathan Ganz
wrote:

In article .com,
rgnmstr wrote:
Dang, Loco, did you really write that? You wear one o' them pointy
hoods
too? ..

Well Doug that's a nice accusation. My gripe is not with legal
immigration. It's with the millions who just walk in every year
illegally. My gripe is with the criminals and thugs who walk in
illegally every year and that's a fact. My gripe is with the illegals
who get here and want everything changed to accomadate THEM. They
don't want to learn the language. They don't want to take a
citizenship test. They just want to run for office so they can change
things to suit themselves. They don't want to join America. Does your
accusation mean you approve of breaking the law?

I think it's more of an economic issue in Mexico and south than it is
criminal intent. I don't think it's possible to close the border
logistically speaking. If the number were reduced due to improved
conditions below the border, then it would be much, much easier to
enforce border integrity. We don't have much of a border issue from
Canada in a large part because of the better economic condition
there.

My experience with Mexican nationals in the US is that they
desperately want a better life for themselves and their families, and
will take just about any job or surmount any hardship to accomplish
that. Most do have some English language skills, but are not really
given much opportunity to learn in a formal way. Some would like to
bar their kids from going to school. This makes no sense, since it
perpetuates the situation.

I like the idea of a guest worker program, but this isn't the entire
solution. In many ways, the US would not be able to function without
the kind of workers that are now here illegally.

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Not quite accurate. Seven of the nine Justices on that "liberal"
Supreme
Court, were appointed by Republicans. Secondly, while I think the
ruling
was a travesty, the New London Development Corporation was "a private
nonprofit entity established some years earlier to assist the City in
planning economic development", but it hardly fits most people's
definition of a "private developer." The ruling hinged on "public
use",
not private gain.

Well thunder the case you cite is only one. There is a whole counry
outside of New London. In one Maryland county the county exec. tried
to take a large number of homes and small business in a waterfront area
and give it to private DEVELOPERS for the purpose of RETAIL
DEVELOPEMENT. These were homes and business that people have owned for
years. This was before the Supreme Court decision. The people went
nuts and the county exec. was stopped. The people are now wondering if
he will try again. This is just a way for big time developers to get
land a bargin prices and get in bed with those in office.

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:16:18 -0800, rgnmstr wrote:


Well thunder the case you cite is only one. There is a whole counry
outside of New London. In one Maryland county the county exec. tried to
take a large number of homes and small business in a waterfront area and
give it to private DEVELOPERS for the purpose of RETAIL DEVELOPEMENT.
These were homes and business that people have owned for years. This was
before the Supreme Court decision. The people went nuts and the county
exec. was stopped. The people are now wondering if he will try again.
This is just a way for big time developers to get land a bargin prices and
get in bed with those in office.

Hey, I said the ruling was a travesty. Property rights have been eroding
under eminent domain abuse for years. I don't like it at all, and agree
that it is a slippery slope heading in the direction you suggest. I was
only trying to clarify the New London case.

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"rgnmstr" wrote
A lightbulb should go off in the heads of Americans while watching what
is going on in France.

Now that part of what you said, I agree with. Watching what the French
gov't is doing should be part of that light bulb.

Bart Senior wrote:
The only law I ever saw a Mexicans break was
****ing in public. From what I've seen they are
a hard working people.


Of the people that I work with, the Hispanics are the ones who save up
for the future, and urge their kids to do well in school (instead of
threatening to sue the teacher). The worst thing they do is drive drunk
and think handing the police officer a 20 will fix it... but to be fair,
that's the way it works where they're from.


I'm more worried about the needy-zero's who
won't, not can't, work, and suddenly find themselves
hungry, cold, or both.


That's why I mentioned the riots of the '60s and early '70s. The U.S. is
tilting, socially and economically, and if it tilts far enough then
those on the bottom will start trying to push it back by more direct
means. As a friend of mine is fond of saying, "This is not an orderly
process." Opportunity is what America is all about, as long as people
can work hard and get ahead then they have hope in the future. If they
have no hope then why does anyone expect them to play by rules that are
only pushing them further down? What would *you* do?

DSK

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What rules are "pushing down" legal immigrants?

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rgnmstr wrote:
What rules are "pushing down" legal immigrants?


Loco, I suggest you talk to a legal immigrant... not hard to find, your
doctor may be one... and ask them about how the INS treats them. Doctors
have it particularly tough because over the past 5 years the AMA has
made it all but impossible for a foreign doctor to get licensed. Like we
have a surplus or something.

But one thing that is HURTING the U.S. is that the overseas 'brain
drain' which brought so much scientific & engineering & technological
talent here, is now reversed. We are literally driving these people away.

DSK

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BTW Loco another thing I found while poking around looking at WW1 photos
& stories: in The Great War, over 1/2 million French colonial troops
served on the European Front. Most of them were Muslims from North
Africa (Algeria, Morocco, etc etc).

Do you think any of the rioters are descendents of these men? Would you
look in the eye of a great-grandson of a French WW1 vet, and tell him
he's not a good enough French citizen to expect equal rights from his gov't?

The French have a heck of a lot of problems, their socialist system is
*very* expensive for the state to maintain. But when it is heavily
slanted in favor of certain groups and against others, why wouldn't you
expect them to complain? And get angry when their complaints are brushed
off year after year?

This should be part of the "light bulb going off" that you talked about.

rgnmstr wrote:
Well thunder the case you cite is only one. There is a whole counry
outside of New London. In one Maryland county the county exec. tried to
take a large number of homes and small business in a waterfront area and
give it to private DEVELOPERS for the purpose of RETAIL DEVELOPEMENT.

That's happened in a nunmber of areas I know about, with varying degrees
of success. It's just an example of how power corrupts.

This is just a way for big time developers to get land a bargin prices and
get in bed with those in office.


In NC, the land developers simply run for office themselves. A lot of
mayors & county commissioners are developers or real estate brokers. In
many cases, the voters don't seem to mind until they get outrageously
greedy.


thunder wrote:
Hey, I said the ruling was a travesty. Property rights have been eroding
under eminent domain abuse for years.

Yep. Even cases where the property has been grabbed for public projects,
there is often a howl because the deal is one-sided and some tasty
crumbs are tossed to the insiders.

DSK