"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Jeff owns a cat that he has to motor 50% of the time...he said so!
Doug owns a Trawler!!!!
Mooron owns a slow boat to China!!!
Katy owns a flimsy Kirie Elite!
Bart's boat is a PROJECT!!!!
Neal's boat is a CORONADO!!!!
Thom's boat is small and slow!!!
Loco's boat is dated and ugly!!!!
Steve doesn't even have a boat!
Crantz doesn't even have a boat!!!!

Now.....the First 35s5....offshore capable or fun fast daysailing or
racing...a blast on weekend trips...fantastic roomy interior...room for
adults and kids....air conditioning and heat...big cockpit and swim
platform....and on and on and on....

No boat here compares overall or feature for feature! Not even CLOSE!
All you can do is cry that we'll only sail it locally! Boo hoo!!!! I
also have a STI coming that I WON'T drive beyond 140 MPH!

Fools, all of you!

Robert B
35s5...the best boat here!
NY

So, Bubbles, am I to conclude that a man is measured by his possessions
rather than his character, at least in your vernacular?

Max

So, Bubbles, am I to conclude that a man is measured by his possessions

rather than his character, at least in your vernacular?


No, not entirely, but you can learn about someone by looking at the
choices they've made. For example....

Mooron bought a Nordic 30. He is clearly bought into all the full keel
crap created by sorry owners of such boat. For most sailing conditions
a fin keel boat is faster and more fun of course. Full keel boats are
nearly gone from production now for that very reason. We can assume
that Mooron is someone who listens to hype and ignores hard numbers.

Loco owns a Express 30. He also claims to have money to buy what he
wants. He also claims to only daysail and race. So why a 30 foot
cruiser/racer dated in every way? Why not a truly fast boat? We can
assume that Loco is either lying about what he can buy or is somewhat
cheap. Sadly if it's the latter, he's not being good to himself and
that's very sad indeed.

Scotty bought a Sieldemann 30. I've teased him a lot for it, but in the
real world he's a smart sailor. He ignored resale worries and bought a
boat that fit his needs NOW. Not being a man of wealth he sails a well
sized vessel that exceeded his expectations for the dollars spent. We
can assume Scotty is a tough minded individual who goes his own way
even in the face of critism, quite the opposite of Mooron.

Doug bought a Trawler. He had also been looking at sailboats prior to
that. In the end he traded his true claimed passion for a floating
motorhome. Why? Well, we can draw man conclusions. Perhaps he's not
well. Perhaps his wife applied certain pressures. When an able sailor
buys a powerboat we're always left confused.

Jeff bought a PDQ 36. It's an amazingly credible family platform for
long distance sailing. He's obviously a fellow who ignores conventional
thinking and buys what he thinks serves his situation best, rather than
making blanket condemnations such as "I'd never buy a multi."

I bought a 35s5....like Jeff I considered how we would sail, where and
how often. I made a very practical choice, picking a boat that was
great for daysails and long weekends. I also chose a vessel I knew I
could easily trade up from. My pick was more practical than emotional.
And that's how I tend to make such purchases, even when it's something
I love.

So we can learn about people from the choices they make.


RB
35s5...the Perfect Boat!
NY

Such a sloppy cast... I shouldn't bite really.. but I like you so....
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
Mooron bought a Nordic 30. He is clearly bought into all the full keel
crap created by sorry owners of such boat. For most sailing conditions
a fin keel boat is faster and more fun of course. Full keel boats are
nearly gone from production now for that very reason. We can assume
that Mooron is someone who listens to hype and ignores hard numbers.

Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred the
full keelers. The 38 Cabo Rico I sailed for a month in the Bahamas settled
the matter. There was no hype nor info where I was living at the time..
Yellowknife. Most of the sailboats there were fin keelers. My friends prefer
sailing on my boat due to it's design and well mannered behaviour. It's way
more comfortable and can easily handle the worst of gales we are subject to
up there. It can easily carry the supplies for an extended trip and has no
problem keeping pace with much larger fin keelers.

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like
every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

CM

Even when we spent at lot of time dockside in Florida on our trip
there were only a few nights that were oppressive.


Those few nights are all I want to avoid, Jeff. Since the Air
conditioner comes with the boat should I NOT use it on an oppressive
night? What exactly IS your point? We will also carry a small 5 inch
telescope on board, to use ashore in some places we sail to. I guess
that's also a bad idea because it won't get used often, right?
Jeff, you sound more and more silly with every post. If your boat came
with AC I bet you'd have flipped it on once in a while. Maybe you'd
like it!

RB
35s5...the faster cooler boat!
NY

Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers
at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred
the
full keelers.

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and
power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like

every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines. A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Not at all the way it went Bobsprit.... I just didn't like fin keelers
at
all. I sailed both types many times prior to deciding I much preferred
the
full keelers.

Why? The fin keeled boats sail better. It's not even open to debate. A
fin keelers will track and balance great IF you know how to trim. The
full keeler will need less ideal trimming, but will generally be less
of a performer. No thanks!

But the best is that it's got beautiful lines, it has grace and
power under
sail ....and it's not a cheap white plastic knock-off that looks like

every other boat in the bay... you know.. like your C&C 35s5! :-)

A Swan has nice lines, a Bermuda 40 has beautiful lines. A nordic is
okay looking for it's type, but I prefer a sleek fast design. Can you
find a boat that looks like the 35s5? It won boat of the year for it's
looks above and below deck, well ahead of it's time. It was the boats
that came after that were "knock offs."

RB
35s5...a beautiful boat!
NY

I have to say that comparing the Nordica and the Beneteau is really
apples and oranges. The Beneteau is certainly faster but gives up
stability and durability. In fact with a capsize factor of 2.1, it is
not recommended to take it offshore. I hate to think what the angle of
vanishing stability is. That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride. I'd rather sail the Nordica
(anywhere)unless I was whipping around the beercans.

I am biased because I own a Truant 33, also a heavy comfy boat.

Gaz

That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.


Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable and a
lot more fun to sail than our friend's passage making Tayana 48 or
Pearson Wanderer. And as you may have read, capsize factors are far
from the only determining factor in seaworthiness. In Europe the 35s5
is considered a very offshore capable vessel and is used as such. I've
spoken to plenty of owners who've made fast fun passages with
them...again all relative. I like comfy too, but where we sail most
comfy sailboats use a lot of fuel.

Robert B
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.


Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable and a
lot more fun to sail than our friend's passage making Tayana 48 or
Pearson Wanderer. And as you may have read, capsize factors are far
from the only determining factor in seaworthiness. In Europe the 35s5
is considered a very offshore capable vessel and is used as such. I've
spoken to plenty of owners who've made fast fun passages with
them...again all relative. I like comfy too, but where we sail most
comfy sailboats use a lot of fuel.

Robert B
35s5
NY

I not talking about comfort in terms of a nice interior, I'm talking
about ride. Interiors can be changed, the ride can't. I have to laugh
at the term "offshore capable". What does that mean? It floats? Open
60's are "offshore capable" but one would hardly cruise in one.

In the world of sailing, a lot of boats are offshore capable but a
select few are reknown as great cruisers. I don't think the Beneteaus
make that grade. They are built to a price point like Hunters and
Catalinas etc. While they can be successfully cruised and competitively
raced, there are boats more appropriate for both activities.

I like the 35s5. It is a bit plain but it is fast and has a great SA/D
but I would prefer the blue water in something a little less lively. You
really can't out run most storms no matter what folks say. And once you
encounter one, light fast boats are still light, fast and full of spew.

Gaz

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Comfort is a relative thing. We find the 35s5 very comfortable

Fer Gawd's sake Bob.... you haven't left the bay yet!!!!

In the last few years you haven't made a 100 nm passage as yet!!

You don't have any idea of comfort except for a daysail in a protected
harbour!!!

Good Grief!!! [ Hah... got to use that back at Ya!]

CM

Gary wrote:
I have to say that comparing the Nordica and the Beneteau is really
apples and oranges.

Yes it is. The Beneteau is a much better advertised brand

... The Beneteau is certainly faster but gives up
stability and durability.

Oh, I dunno, it depends on how you define those terms. The Ben 35s5 is
bigger, so even with a lower LPOS it's less likely to get rolled. OTOH
in weather serious enough for that to be an issue, it's likely to have
some problems.

... In fact with a capsize factor of 2.1, it is
not recommended to take it offshore.

Not on the short list, no.


... I hate to think what the angle of
vanishing stability is.

If it carries a CE Offshore Cat B then it's over 120 (IIRC) and is rated
for offshore sailing.

.... That being said some pretty rediculous boats
have made amazing passages but in the 35s5 you'd better be ready for a
fast but wild and uncomfortable ride.

Uncomfortable yes, especially as the sea state picks up.

... I'd rather sail the Nordica
(anywhere)unless I was whipping around the beercans.

I am biased because I own a Truant 33, also a heavy comfy boat.


I'm somewhat biased the other way, having learned to sail in racing
class dinghies then "graduating" to keelboats that felt sluggish... I
prefer a boat with some git-up-n-go. But IMHO the Bendytoy is likely to
suffer a number of problems if sailed hard for a prolonged period, not
least of which is that the crew will have a hard time keeping fed &
rested enough to sail the boat as it needs to be.

Do you have a web site for the Truant 33? Not familiar with it.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King