There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the
hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every
piece of chop.



Well, there you go....I don't drink. And a 35s5 will surf at 14 knots
and scare the crap out of you in the process. And the 35s5 will also be
fun in light air common around here that makes a powerboat of the PDQ.
It's just not a boat I'd be interested in. In 12 knots of air the 35s5
was FLYING. The PDQ needs more air to even begin to be entertaining.
90 percent of sailing is light air sailing around here. Jeff's comments
about motoring is all I need to know to confirm my experience on the
PDQ.
It just can't match a fast light racer like a 35s5 in these parts and
that's that.


Robert B
35s5
NY

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the
hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every
piece of chop.

Well, there you go....I don't drink. And a 35s5 will surf at 14 knots
and scare the crap out of you in the process. And the 35s5 will also be
fun in light air common around here that makes a powerboat of the PDQ.
It's just not a boat I'd be interested in. In 12 knots of air the 35s5
was FLYING. The PDQ needs more air to even begin to be entertaining.
90 percent of sailing is light air sailing around here. Jeff's comments
about motoring is all I need to know to confirm my experience on the
PDQ.
It just can't match a fast light racer like a 35s5 in these parts and
that's that.

Not even a soda or some juice?

What does scaring the crap out of someone have to do with cruising?
When I cruise, I don't want that. Like I said, for a couple of hours,
a mono is fine.

The cats I've been on, including the PDQ, Seawind, Athena, Belize, and
certainly my windrider tri were great in light winds. Well, actually,
I only sailed the PDQ and Seawind in heavy air, so I can't really
comment.

The sailing I generally do requires that boats perform well in decent
wind (12 kts of wind is a very light wind day here), but do ok in
light wind. Usually this means shaking out the reef and/or putting up
a jib larger than 100%.

As far as motoring goes, cats tend to do this better than monos. They
can literally turn in their own length (or nearly so), back straight
without having to deal with prop walk, and dock without problems
(although the technique for doing so is quite different from a mono).

I have no doubt that 12 kts is normal for where you are, but if you
ever intend to leave the area, especially for an extended trip, cats
can't be beat. The room on deck is amazing, and quite safe for small
children, as compared to a heeling, wet deck, and below is much more
comfortable... no need to confine a child to one spot or put them in a
hammock for safety.




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What does scaring the crap out of someone have to do with cruising?
When I cruise, I don't want that. Like I said, for a couple of hours,
a mono is fine.


Jonathan, I don't see what's so hard to understand. Most of our sailing
will be daysailing, weekends and so on...on the LIS where winds are
often very light. Around here on too many days a PDQ here is a
powerboat, not a cruiser.
We bought a boat based on our needs and location, not Jeff's. When we
go for a sail it's often for a few hours in 10 knots of wind. What the
heck would a PDQ be on those days? I already know.
I just don't like cats. I don't even like the way they look.

RB
35s5
NY

In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
What does scaring the crap out of someone have to do with cruising?
When I cruise, I don't want that. Like I said, for a couple of hours,
a mono is fine.


Jonathan, I don't see what's so hard to understand. Most of our sailing
will be daysailing, weekends and so on...on the LIS where winds are
often very light. Around here on too many days a PDQ here is a
powerboat, not a cruiser.
We bought a boat based on our needs and location, not Jeff's. When we
go for a sail it's often for a few hours in 10 knots of wind. What the
heck would a PDQ be on those days? I already know.
I just don't like cats. I don't even like the way they look.

Nothing. I get it completely. Most of my sailing is daysailing,
weekends also. However, the conditions out here dictate smaller
sail configurations. I still find it hard to believe that a
Cat would perform less well than a mono in light winds... perhaps
tacking, but it depends on the boat and the skill of the skipper/crew.

Many people don't like how cats sail or how they look. For cruising
beyond a day sail, they are pretty nice IMHO. Even the PDQ 32 I used
to sail would have been great for an overnighter.

When I was in Belize last, the wind speed was typically below 15 kts,
and we were on a 43' cat. No problems at all.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Nothing. I get it completely. Most of my sailing is daysailing,
weekends also. However, the conditions out here dictate smaller
sail configurations. I still find it hard to believe that a
Cat would perform less well than a mono in light winds...


Even Jeff admits the 35s5 would be better in lighter air and I get the
feeling he motors more than he'll admit. And that's fine. My experience
on the PDQ 36 was "okay" but I wasn't impressed by the sailing
qualities, and her owner sold her after two seasons because the boat
was, in his words, "for the older set." Not all multi's are the same of
course.
We're really comparing apples and oranges here. Folks who love classic
monohulls are never going to warm up to a multi's looks or non-heeling
nature.

RB
35s5
NY

In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
Nothing. I get it completely. Most of my sailing is daysailing,
weekends also. However, the conditions out here dictate smaller
sail configurations. I still find it hard to believe that a
Cat would perform less well than a mono in light winds...


Even Jeff admits the 35s5 would be better in lighter air and I get the
feeling he motors more than he'll admit. And that's fine. My experience
on the PDQ 36 was "okay" but I wasn't impressed by the sailing
qualities, and her owner sold her after two seasons because the boat
was, in his words, "for the older set." Not all multi's are the same of
course.
We're really comparing apples and oranges here. Folks who love classic
monohulls are never going to warm up to a multi's looks or non-heeling
nature.


Well, I love classic monos, but I also like multis. Both have
strengths and weaknesses.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Well, I love classic monos, but I also like multis. Both have
strengths and weaknesses.


Agreed...at last!


RB
35s5.
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:



We're really comparing apples and oranges here. Folks who love classic
monohulls are never going to warm up to a multi's looks or non-heeling
nature.

Folks who really love classic monohulls wouldn't buy a bendy.
Remember, my first larger boat was an Alberg style, my next was a
Nonsuch catboat. I don't see a need for a larger sailboat, so my next
will probably be a true classic, like a Marshall or Alerion.

http://www.marshallcat.com/M22Lines.htm
http://www.proper-yachts.com/alerion26reviews.htm

However, for now, a family vacation cruiser it the best boat. When I
want to heel, I can sail one of my dinghies.

BTW, who do you think championed multis in the US over 100 years ago?

monohulls are never going to warm up to a multi's looks or non-heeling
nature.

Folks who really love classic monohulls wouldn't buy a bendy.


Way to go, Jeff. Beneteau is the world's top sailboat builder, making
cruisers, racers and custom yachts. But all of those folks don't like
classic monohull boats!
You heard it here first!

RB
35s5....a classic monohull
NY

However, for now, a family vacation cruiser it the best boat. When I
want to heel, I can sail one of my dinghies.


Yeah, sailing a dinghy is JUST like sailing a keelboat, Jeff!!!
Do you notice you've been abandoned in this thread? You've said so many
dumb things even Loco is keeping quiet. Then again Loco owns a fast
monohull (that can't be cruised!) that's an even worse choice than my
boat according to your criteria! Same goes for ALL of the monohulls
here!
Oh, Jeff...in your failed attempts to attack me...you've managed to hit
everyone else with your stray idiot bullets!

RB
35s5...The winner!
NY