Just not true. Cats are wonderful for long range cruising for a number
of
reasons, not the least of which that they're easier on the crew, being
very
stable.


But people who are into sailing generally prefer monohulls and folks
who sail locally and want a good time just about NEVER buy a multi.
They are dull to sail by comparison...even compared to a Cal 20.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
I've never claimed Bob should get a cat - there for people who like to
cruise to distant places. Someone who thinks cruising is going 3
miles to get "deep into the Sound" and thinks not having A/C would be
"horrific" is better served by a Bendy Toy.


Most long range cruisers use monohulls, Jeff.

Monohulls are cheaper, and many older ones on available for well under
the entry price for a cat. But cats are the fastest growing segment,
and if you ever got out of LIS you'd see that.

And Cats are not just for
long range cruisers. I know folks who like them just to relax on as a
waterfront home. Sorry if that offends you, but that's a fact.

Why should I be offended? Lots of people don't use their boats. I've
even heard some fools claim to have cruising boats but then never go
out because sailing without A/C would be horrific!

I don't
concern myself with how other people enjoy their boats. I'll leave that
to you.

On the contrary, all you done for the last few weeks is bitch and moan
the everyone should be envious of you because you have the "best boat
here." That is entirely what this is about: your obsession with
proving that only you know what the best boat is.




The only
part that rings true is that it increased in value.

Oh, really? So you don't agree that the cat is dull to sail compared to
a boat like mine? You actually think your helm is equally sensitive?

Your helm is "sensitive," I just don't see that as an advantage for a
cruising boat. In fact, it would be a disadvantage in a lot of
conditions I sail in.

Doug already confirmed that the motion is different and some folks
might not like it.

So? Some might like it, others don't. Why do you care?

I've found that a few people don't like the quick motion of a cat, but
overall more are unaffected by the motion. And doing 100 miles on a
cat won't leave you "rubber legged" like it will on a mono. But this
is something you'll never understand.

Jeff, you've been bitch slapped again and again.

What? By you? In your dreams!

Where will it end?

When you stop claiming the people should "kill themselves" because
they don't have an aft cabin that, in reality, has no hatches, you
can't sit up in the bunk, and there's not enough room to change
clothes with the door closed.

When will you learn?

This has been a nightmare for you, hasn't it? You thought everyone
would be envious of your boat!

I'm glad you like your boat, but it's a dull ride
compared to my 35s5 and MOST folks don't want a dull ride.

Most folks don't give rats ass one way or t'other.

I had no
idea you had the 36. It was a very nice boat, appeared well built and
comfortable. But if I decided to take some long trips with my young son
I'd rather buy a bigger monohull for him than a PDQ 36.

Don't be so sure. Remember, when I was your age I was sailing racing
dinghies. I had sold my first monohull and was about to buy my second.


Enjoy!

R "Monkey Balls" B
35s5....a fast and funny boat!
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Which explains why multihulls are the fastest growing segment of the
industry.



Hey, the Mac26X and bloated Hunters sell well too. Doesn't indicate
they're a great or classy boat choice. Face it: You chose a
Motorhome-sailboat Big Mac Combo with fries.

Your jealousy is pathetic!!!

It suits you and that's fine, but most people in this group prefer real
sailing, Jeff.

I don't know, not many in this have said they wouldn't want my boat.

Best if you learn to live with that and head downwind.

Right, it would be embarrassingly for when when I passed you going upwind.




Robert "Monkey Balls" B
35s5...a toy sailboat!
NY

Your helm is "sensitive," I just don't see that as an advantage for a
cruising boat. In fact, it would be a disadvantage in a lot of
conditions I sail in.


Jeff, have you had a tough time absorbing why we bought this boat?

1) To upset Loco. Mission accomplished!!!
2) To drive everyone crazy. Mission accomplished!!!
3) Daysailing
4) BBQing
5) Weekend cruises.

With those goals in mind we bought a great boat! Look at the reaction!
Of course even my C&C 32 was a better boat than most here...this is
just sugar on my transom!

RB
35s5...best boat ever!
NY

In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
Just not true. Cats are wonderful for long range cruising for a number
of
reasons, not the least of which that they're easier on the crew, being
very
stable.


But people who are into sailing generally prefer monohulls and folks
who sail locally and want a good time just about NEVER buy a multi.
They are dull to sail by comparison...even compared to a Cal 20.

Again, that's just not true. My windrider for example was thrilling to
sail, typically in the north bay, over 10 kts according to my GPS. The
cats I've rented (32-43 feet) were stunningly fast and stable to
boot. They're easy to dock, easy to turn in tight quarters, and you
can bring people who otherwise wouldn't be interested in going, due to
not liking significant heeling and being prone to seasickness. When I
had it in the south bay, I could and did do donuts around 30 foot
monos in 20 kts and 3-4 ft chop. I watched a guy on one lose his hat
and didn't even try to go back, and he was just trying to get out to
the bay. I had no problem retrieving it.

I don't know what your situation is locally, but the fleet of multis
out here is growing pretty quickly.

My Cal 20 was fun to sail, but not for people who wanted to stay dry
(even though it was a fairly dry boat for the conditions).




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Again, that's just not true. My windrider for example was thrilling to
sail, typically in the north bay, over 10 kts according to my GPS. The
cats I've rented (32-43 feet) were stunningly fast and stable to
boot.


The PDQ we sailed was just not fun. Going upwind was dull. Downwind was
also dull There was no sensation of sailing that made me fall in love
with it. I don't doubt they are popular as they remove many of the
aspects that make sailing so enjoyable for the rest of us. I'm
sorry...I just love it when a boat heals and takes off. I love it when
it picks up and we burry the rail. I love to brace myself in the
cockpit and catch a bit of spray. I love to sail.
If I tire of that I'll get a Cat I suppose, but I hope it's a long way
off. I wouldn't want a cat for the same reasons I don't want a Trawler.

Robert B
35s5.
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...
|I wouldn't want a cat for the same reasons I don't want a Trawler.


Because a cat and a trawler are both lacking in character and
function because they incorporate the worst of most everything
in one lackluster unit?

CN

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
Again, that's just not true. My windrider for example was thrilling to
sail, typically in the north bay, over 10 kts according to my GPS. The
cats I've rented (32-43 feet) were stunningly fast and stable to
boot.


The PDQ we sailed was just not fun. Going upwind was dull. Downwind was
also dull There was no sensation of sailing that made me fall in love
with it. I don't doubt they are popular as they remove many of the
aspects that make sailing so enjoyable for the rest of us. I'm
sorry...I just love it when a boat heals and takes off. I love it when
it picks up and we burry the rail. I love to brace myself in the
cockpit and catch a bit of spray. I love to sail.
If I tire of that I'll get a Cat I suppose, but I hope it's a long way
off. I wouldn't want a cat for the same reasons I don't want a Trawler.

I didn't enjoy the PDQ 32 as much as the Seawind. Sure, for a couple
of hours, it's not like sailing a mono, but for sailing for any length
of time, it's far better.

There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the
hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every
piece of chop.


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www.sailnow.com

There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the
hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every
piece of chop.



Well, there you go....I don't drink. And a 35s5 will surf at 14 knots
and scare the crap out of you in the process. And the 35s5 will also be
fun in light air common around here that makes a powerboat of the PDQ.
It's just not a boat I'd be interested in. In 12 knots of air the 35s5
was FLYING. The PDQ needs more air to even begin to be entertaining.
90 percent of sailing is light air sailing around here. Jeff's comments
about motoring is all I need to know to confirm my experience on the
PDQ.
It just can't match a fast light racer like a 35s5 in these parts and
that's that.


Robert B
35s5
NY

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the
hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every
piece of chop.

Well, there you go....I don't drink. And a 35s5 will surf at 14 knots
and scare the crap out of you in the process. And the 35s5 will also be
fun in light air common around here that makes a powerboat of the PDQ.
It's just not a boat I'd be interested in. In 12 knots of air the 35s5
was FLYING. The PDQ needs more air to even begin to be entertaining.
90 percent of sailing is light air sailing around here. Jeff's comments
about motoring is all I need to know to confirm my experience on the
PDQ.
It just can't match a fast light racer like a 35s5 in these parts and
that's that.

Not even a soda or some juice?

What does scaring the crap out of someone have to do with cruising?
When I cruise, I don't want that. Like I said, for a couple of hours,
a mono is fine.

The cats I've been on, including the PDQ, Seawind, Athena, Belize, and
certainly my windrider tri were great in light winds. Well, actually,
I only sailed the PDQ and Seawind in heavy air, so I can't really
comment.

The sailing I generally do requires that boats perform well in decent
wind (12 kts of wind is a very light wind day here), but do ok in
light wind. Usually this means shaking out the reef and/or putting up
a jib larger than 100%.

As far as motoring goes, cats tend to do this better than monos. They
can literally turn in their own length (or nearly so), back straight
without having to deal with prop walk, and dock without problems
(although the technique for doing so is quite different from a mono).

I have no doubt that 12 kts is normal for where you are, but if you
ever intend to leave the area, especially for an extended trip, cats
can't be beat. The room on deck is amazing, and quite safe for small
children, as compared to a heeling, wet deck, and below is much more
comfortable... no need to confine a child to one spot or put them in a
hammock for safety.




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