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Again, that's just not true. My windrider for example was thrilling to
sail, typically in the north bay, over 10 kts according to my GPS. The cats I've rented (32-43 feet) were stunningly fast and stable to boot. The PDQ we sailed was just not fun. Going upwind was dull. Downwind was also dull There was no sensation of sailing that made me fall in love with it. I don't doubt they are popular as they remove many of the aspects that make sailing so enjoyable for the rest of us. I'm sorry...I just love it when a boat heals and takes off. I love it when it picks up and we burry the rail. I love to brace myself in the cockpit and catch a bit of spray. I love to sail. If I tire of that I'll get a Cat I suppose, but I hope it's a long way off. I wouldn't want a cat for the same reasons I don't want a Trawler. Robert B 35s5. NY |
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![]() "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... |I wouldn't want a cat for the same reasons I don't want a Trawler. Because a cat and a trawler are both lacking in character and function because they incorporate the worst of most everything in one lackluster unit? CN |
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In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote: Again, that's just not true. My windrider for example was thrilling to sail, typically in the north bay, over 10 kts according to my GPS. The cats I've rented (32-43 feet) were stunningly fast and stable to boot. The PDQ we sailed was just not fun. Going upwind was dull. Downwind was also dull There was no sensation of sailing that made me fall in love with it. I don't doubt they are popular as they remove many of the aspects that make sailing so enjoyable for the rest of us. I'm sorry...I just love it when a boat heals and takes off. I love it when it picks up and we burry the rail. I love to brace myself in the cockpit and catch a bit of spray. I love to sail. If I tire of that I'll get a Cat I suppose, but I hope it's a long way off. I wouldn't want a cat for the same reasons I don't want a Trawler. I didn't enjoy the PDQ 32 as much as the Seawind. Sure, for a couple of hours, it's not like sailing a mono, but for sailing for any length of time, it's far better. There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every piece of chop. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the
hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every piece of chop. Well, there you go....I don't drink. And a 35s5 will surf at 14 knots and scare the crap out of you in the process. And the 35s5 will also be fun in light air common around here that makes a powerboat of the PDQ. It's just not a boat I'd be interested in. In 12 knots of air the 35s5 was FLYING. The PDQ needs more air to even begin to be entertaining. 90 percent of sailing is light air sailing around here. Jeff's comments about motoring is all I need to know to confirm my experience on the PDQ. It just can't match a fast light racer like a 35s5 in these parts and that's that. Robert B 35s5 NY |
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In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote: There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every piece of chop. Well, there you go....I don't drink. And a 35s5 will surf at 14 knots and scare the crap out of you in the process. And the 35s5 will also be fun in light air common around here that makes a powerboat of the PDQ. It's just not a boat I'd be interested in. In 12 knots of air the 35s5 was FLYING. The PDQ needs more air to even begin to be entertaining. 90 percent of sailing is light air sailing around here. Jeff's comments about motoring is all I need to know to confirm my experience on the PDQ. It just can't match a fast light racer like a 35s5 in these parts and that's that. Not even a soda or some juice? What does scaring the crap out of someone have to do with cruising? When I cruise, I don't want that. Like I said, for a couple of hours, a mono is fine. The cats I've been on, including the PDQ, Seawind, Athena, Belize, and certainly my windrider tri were great in light winds. Well, actually, I only sailed the PDQ and Seawind in heavy air, so I can't really comment. The sailing I generally do requires that boats perform well in decent wind (12 kts of wind is a very light wind day here), but do ok in light wind. Usually this means shaking out the reef and/or putting up a jib larger than 100%. As far as motoring goes, cats tend to do this better than monos. They can literally turn in their own length (or nearly so), back straight without having to deal with prop walk, and dock without problems (although the technique for doing so is quite different from a mono). I have no doubt that 12 kts is normal for where you are, but if you ever intend to leave the area, especially for an extended trip, cats can't be beat. The room on deck is amazing, and quite safe for small children, as compared to a heeling, wet deck, and below is much more comfortable... no need to confine a child to one spot or put them in a hammock for safety. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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What does scaring the crap out of someone have to do with cruising?
When I cruise, I don't want that. Like I said, for a couple of hours, a mono is fine. Jonathan, I don't see what's so hard to understand. Most of our sailing will be daysailing, weekends and so on...on the LIS where winds are often very light. Around here on too many days a PDQ here is a powerboat, not a cruiser. We bought a boat based on our needs and location, not Jeff's. When we go for a sail it's often for a few hours in 10 knots of wind. What the heck would a PDQ be on those days? I already know. I just don't like cats. I don't even like the way they look. RB 35s5 NY |
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In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote: What does scaring the crap out of someone have to do with cruising? When I cruise, I don't want that. Like I said, for a couple of hours, a mono is fine. Jonathan, I don't see what's so hard to understand. Most of our sailing will be daysailing, weekends and so on...on the LIS where winds are often very light. Around here on too many days a PDQ here is a powerboat, not a cruiser. We bought a boat based on our needs and location, not Jeff's. When we go for a sail it's often for a few hours in 10 knots of wind. What the heck would a PDQ be on those days? I already know. I just don't like cats. I don't even like the way they look. Nothing. I get it completely. Most of my sailing is daysailing, weekends also. However, the conditions out here dictate smaller sail configurations. I still find it hard to believe that a Cat would perform less well than a mono in light winds... perhaps tacking, but it depends on the boat and the skill of the skipper/crew. Many people don't like how cats sail or how they look. For cruising beyond a day sail, they are pretty nice IMHO. Even the PDQ 32 I used to sail would have been great for an overnighter. When I was in Belize last, the wind speed was typically below 15 kts, and we were on a 43' cat. No problems at all. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Nothing. I get it completely. Most of my sailing is daysailing,
weekends also. However, the conditions out here dictate smaller sail configurations. I still find it hard to believe that a Cat would perform less well than a mono in light winds... Even Jeff admits the 35s5 would be better in lighter air and I get the feeling he motors more than he'll admit. And that's fine. My experience on the PDQ 36 was "okay" but I wasn't impressed by the sailing qualities, and her owner sold her after two seasons because the boat was, in his words, "for the older set." Not all multi's are the same of course. We're really comparing apples and oranges here. Folks who love classic monohulls are never going to warm up to a multi's looks or non-heeling nature. RB 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every piece of chop. Well, there you go....I don't drink. And a 35s5 will surf at 14 knots and scare the crap out of you in the process. Well that's a good reason for you to buy one. I prefer doing 12-14 knots in full control. And not for 2 seconds, but for a whole afternoon. |
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Well that's a good reason for you to buy one. I prefer doing 12-14
knots in full control. And the monohull isn't? Oh. I hope everyone is learning from Jeff. Monohulls sailing fast and surfing are not in full control. In fact they require careful attention and skill to sail at those speeds, while the cat does not. Golly, Jeff...can you make even one good point for the multi has a fast and fun boat to sail? BTW, we did almost 10 knots in the PDQ and with ease. Only problem was...we barely noticed. Maybe that's a good thing for some folks, but we like the sensations of sailing. The PDQ was like driving a Nissan Titan...big, powerful, easy to drive...and utterly and completely boring. Nothing you can say or claim will reverse this simple fact. The very FACT that you admit to sailing a dinghy to acquire that fun-factor PROVES that your boat does not have it! BTW, you have to be the slowest, most dim debater. You have failed to make a single point without shooting yourself down. It's been truly amazing. And now your in my web, stuck making post after post. You know this is my game, and yet here you are, taking one kick in the rubber parts after the next! RB 35s5...about 300 times more fun to sail than a PDQ 36! NY |
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