Again, that's just not true. My windrider for example was thrilling to
sail, typically in the north bay, over 10 kts according to my GPS. The
cats I've rented (32-43 feet) were stunningly fast and stable to
boot.


The PDQ we sailed was just not fun. Going upwind was dull. Downwind was
also dull There was no sensation of sailing that made me fall in love
with it. I don't doubt they are popular as they remove many of the
aspects that make sailing so enjoyable for the rest of us. I'm
sorry...I just love it when a boat heals and takes off. I love it when
it picks up and we burry the rail. I love to brace myself in the
cockpit and catch a bit of spray. I love to sail.
If I tire of that I'll get a Cat I suppose, but I hope it's a long way
off. I wouldn't want a cat for the same reasons I don't want a Trawler.

Robert B
35s5.
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...
|I wouldn't want a cat for the same reasons I don't want a Trawler.


Because a cat and a trawler are both lacking in character and
function because they incorporate the worst of most everything
in one lackluster unit?

CN

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
Again, that's just not true. My windrider for example was thrilling to
sail, typically in the north bay, over 10 kts according to my GPS. The
cats I've rented (32-43 feet) were stunningly fast and stable to
boot.


The PDQ we sailed was just not fun. Going upwind was dull. Downwind was
also dull There was no sensation of sailing that made me fall in love
with it. I don't doubt they are popular as they remove many of the
aspects that make sailing so enjoyable for the rest of us. I'm
sorry...I just love it when a boat heals and takes off. I love it when
it picks up and we burry the rail. I love to brace myself in the
cockpit and catch a bit of spray. I love to sail.
If I tire of that I'll get a Cat I suppose, but I hope it's a long way
off. I wouldn't want a cat for the same reasons I don't want a Trawler.

I didn't enjoy the PDQ 32 as much as the Seawind. Sure, for a couple
of hours, it's not like sailing a mono, but for sailing for any length
of time, it's far better.

There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the
hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every
piece of chop.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the
hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every
piece of chop.



Well, there you go....I don't drink. And a 35s5 will surf at 14 knots
and scare the crap out of you in the process. And the 35s5 will also be
fun in light air common around here that makes a powerboat of the PDQ.
It's just not a boat I'd be interested in. In 12 knots of air the 35s5
was FLYING. The PDQ needs more air to even begin to be entertaining.
90 percent of sailing is light air sailing around here. Jeff's comments
about motoring is all I need to know to confirm my experience on the
PDQ.
It just can't match a fast light racer like a 35s5 in these parts and
that's that.


Robert B
35s5
NY

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the
hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every
piece of chop.

Well, there you go....I don't drink. And a 35s5 will surf at 14 knots
and scare the crap out of you in the process. And the 35s5 will also be
fun in light air common around here that makes a powerboat of the PDQ.
It's just not a boat I'd be interested in. In 12 knots of air the 35s5
was FLYING. The PDQ needs more air to even begin to be entertaining.
90 percent of sailing is light air sailing around here. Jeff's comments
about motoring is all I need to know to confirm my experience on the
PDQ.
It just can't match a fast light racer like a 35s5 in these parts and
that's that.

Not even a soda or some juice?

What does scaring the crap out of someone have to do with cruising?
When I cruise, I don't want that. Like I said, for a couple of hours,
a mono is fine.

The cats I've been on, including the PDQ, Seawind, Athena, Belize, and
certainly my windrider tri were great in light winds. Well, actually,
I only sailed the PDQ and Seawind in heavy air, so I can't really
comment.

The sailing I generally do requires that boats perform well in decent
wind (12 kts of wind is a very light wind day here), but do ok in
light wind. Usually this means shaking out the reef and/or putting up
a jib larger than 100%.

As far as motoring goes, cats tend to do this better than monos. They
can literally turn in their own length (or nearly so), back straight
without having to deal with prop walk, and dock without problems
(although the technique for doing so is quite different from a mono).

I have no doubt that 12 kts is normal for where you are, but if you
ever intend to leave the area, especially for an extended trip, cats
can't be beat. The room on deck is amazing, and quite safe for small
children, as compared to a heeling, wet deck, and below is much more
comfortable... no need to confine a child to one spot or put them in a
hammock for safety.




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

What does scaring the crap out of someone have to do with cruising?
When I cruise, I don't want that. Like I said, for a couple of hours,
a mono is fine.


Jonathan, I don't see what's so hard to understand. Most of our sailing
will be daysailing, weekends and so on...on the LIS where winds are
often very light. Around here on too many days a PDQ here is a
powerboat, not a cruiser.
We bought a boat based on our needs and location, not Jeff's. When we
go for a sail it's often for a few hours in 10 knots of wind. What the
heck would a PDQ be on those days? I already know.
I just don't like cats. I don't even like the way they look.

RB
35s5
NY

In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
What does scaring the crap out of someone have to do with cruising?
When I cruise, I don't want that. Like I said, for a couple of hours,
a mono is fine.


Jonathan, I don't see what's so hard to understand. Most of our sailing
will be daysailing, weekends and so on...on the LIS where winds are
often very light. Around here on too many days a PDQ here is a
powerboat, not a cruiser.
We bought a boat based on our needs and location, not Jeff's. When we
go for a sail it's often for a few hours in 10 knots of wind. What the
heck would a PDQ be on those days? I already know.
I just don't like cats. I don't even like the way they look.

Nothing. I get it completely. Most of my sailing is daysailing,
weekends also. However, the conditions out here dictate smaller
sail configurations. I still find it hard to believe that a
Cat would perform less well than a mono in light winds... perhaps
tacking, but it depends on the boat and the skill of the skipper/crew.

Many people don't like how cats sail or how they look. For cruising
beyond a day sail, they are pretty nice IMHO. Even the PDQ 32 I used
to sail would have been great for an overnighter.

When I was in Belize last, the wind speed was typically below 15 kts,
and we were on a 43' cat. No problems at all.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Nothing. I get it completely. Most of my sailing is daysailing,
weekends also. However, the conditions out here dictate smaller
sail configurations. I still find it hard to believe that a
Cat would perform less well than a mono in light winds...


Even Jeff admits the 35s5 would be better in lighter air and I get the
feeling he motors more than he'll admit. And that's fine. My experience
on the PDQ 36 was "okay" but I wasn't impressed by the sailing
qualities, and her owner sold her after two seasons because the boat
was, in his words, "for the older set." Not all multi's are the same of
course.
We're really comparing apples and oranges here. Folks who love classic
monohulls are never going to warm up to a multi's looks or non-heeling
nature.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
There's nothing like sailing along with rooster tails behind the
hulls, screaming along at 14kts, without losing your drinks at every
piece of chop.



Well, there you go....I don't drink. And a 35s5 will surf at 14 knots
and scare the crap out of you in the process.


Well that's a good reason for you to buy one. I prefer doing 12-14
knots in full control. And not for 2 seconds, but for a whole
afternoon.

Well that's a good reason for you to buy one. I prefer doing 12-14
knots in full control.


And the monohull isn't? Oh. I hope everyone is learning from Jeff.
Monohulls sailing fast and surfing are not in full control. In fact
they require careful attention and skill to sail at those speeds, while
the cat does not.
Golly, Jeff...can you make even one good point for the multi has a fast
and fun boat to sail? BTW, we did almost 10 knots in the PDQ and with
ease. Only problem was...we barely noticed. Maybe that's a good thing
for some folks, but we like the sensations of sailing. The PDQ was like
driving a Nissan Titan...big, powerful, easy to drive...and utterly and
completely boring. Nothing you can say or claim will reverse this
simple fact. The very FACT that you admit to sailing a dinghy to
acquire that fun-factor PROVES that your boat does not have it!
BTW, you have to be the slowest, most dim debater. You have failed to
make a single point without shooting yourself down. It's been truly
amazing. And now your in my web, stuck making post after post. You know
this is my game, and yet here you are, taking one kick in the rubber
parts after the next!

RB
35s5...about 300 times more fun to sail than a PDQ 36!
NY