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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:30:45 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
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Oh BTW... I've hit bottom an embarrassing amount of times.

You have yet to hit bottom, Guy, but you are getting close.

I "hit bottom" every time I bother to respond to one of your posts PJ.....
then again I was married once and had all "pride" removed during my
incarceration in that institution.

CM

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Capt.Mooron wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message

I've been sailing almost 50 years and never had a crew injured.

I view that statement in the same manner as "I've never run aground".....
accidents happen no matter what steps are taken to avoid them.

I can't begin to count the stubbed toes, cuts, rope burns, fingers jammed in
the sheets around the winch, hand slammed with the cockpit lid... and that's
just me!

As I said, nothing worse than a bandaid. Sure there have been stubbed
toes and rope burns and some bruises. On the second day of our
yearlong trip I actually almost fed my finger to the windlass, but
caught myself while still in the "bandaid" phase. Another split
second and I would have "Four Finger Jeff." And my daughter caught a
really nasty dock splinter. But no stitches, no broken bones, no
hospital trips, no insurance claims. I've never had a crew injured,
and I have to go back to my college days to when I did a few dumb
things to myself like use my arm as a fender, and my face as a boom
crutch.

Perhaps things would have been different if I raced more, or drank
more, but crew safety has always been top priority for me. It was a
major part of our decision to by a cat - no tipping, no steep
companionway, huge foredeck, modest rig compared to the size, shallow
draft, almost unsinkable - but that a whole other discussion.



Oh BTW... I've hit bottom an embarrassing amount of times. [ Till I learned
to turn off the sounder, since then.. nada]

I've scraped a soft bottom a number of times, and nudged a rock, but
never hit anything hard. My only bad grounding happened at anchor,
when we got pulled a lot closer to the riverbank than I expected. At
2AM I was frantically doing trig calculations to determine if the cat
could actually be flipped by hanging up on one hull!

People who live near shallow water with soft bottoms can take bottom
routinely, but on a rocky coast with 10 foot tides navigation is taken
seriously. And with the new electronics, there's really no excuse
other than stupidity and liquor.

BTW, the "bad luck" case I mentioned in my last post routinely bounced
off rocks, in some case the same rock several times. On his first
trip into Boston he followed the "Red Left Returning" rule and hit
Lower Middle at six knots, fast enough to break the engine mounts,
destroy the exhaust, and bend the rudder shaft.


I think both you and Bob are taking liberties with historical data... :-)

Actually Bob confessed to whacking a rock a mile from his slip, even
after his navigational error had been pointed out ...

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"Jeff" wrote



Perhaps things would have been different if I raced more, or
drank
more,

it's never too late to start.
;)

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Actually Bob confessed to whacking a rock a mile from his slip, even
after his navigational error had been pointed out ...


Yep...it's true. In fact Over the past 11 years I've whacked TWO rocks.
In BOTH cases I knew exactly where they were, but was CERTAIN I still
had room to navigate. When sailing in other areas of the Sound and NY
harbor I've yet to hit anything. When we went to the Thimble Islands we
dragged through some mud...but we expected to.

RB
35s5...a boat with a draft of only 4.9!
NY

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Oh my god!


Calm yourself, Ozzy. Two light whacks in 11 years don't amount to much,
especially since we were no worse for wear. Mistakes of that sort are
more likley to happen close to home where you feel comfortable. Just
like car accidents. I've heard and read about it in other groups. Of
course it never happened in this group!

As I always prove, I'm honest about such things. If I make a
mistake...no big deal. I'm not so cowardly not to admit it. I even give
Jeff credit for admitting he nearly lost his finger in a
Windlass....far worse than banging a rock. But such things happen and
if they shock you, you might prefer to stay home more than you already
do.

RB
35s5...a boat that will sail into rocky shallows!
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Actually Bob confessed to whacking a rock a mile from his slip, even
after his navigational error had been pointed out ...


Yep...it's true. In fact Over the past 11 years I've whacked TWO rocks.
In BOTH cases I knew exactly where they were, but was CERTAIN I still
had room to navigate.

Omigod! You knew exactly where the rock was but didn't know where you
were? You knew where you were but did know how the boat would turn?
Sorry, Bob, you were clueless!

When sailing in other areas of the Sound and NY
harbor I've yet to hit anything.

Are you bragging that you never hit a rock when there was more than 10
feet of water?

When we went to the Thimble Islands we
dragged through some mud...but we expected to.

It depends on where you were - the Thimbles are an exceptionally rocky
area - this is not a place to have any doubts.


RB
35s5...a boat with a draft of only 4.9!

Get a clue - this is not really a shoal draft boat.

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Omigod! You knew exactly where the rock was but didn't know where you
were? You knew where you were but did know how the boat would turn?
Sorry, Bob, you were clueless!


It's funny, but your deduction above shows how little you know about
sailing.
The comment about "how the boat would turn" is truly amazing.

RB
35s5...a better performing boat than Jeff's
NY

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It depends on where you were - the Thimbles are an exceptionally rocky
area - this is not a place to have any doubts.

We had no doubts We only hit our own local rocks.


RB

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I was trying to be simple so you could understand. Explain to us
again how you knew exactly where the rock was and still hit it.

Capt. Rob wrote:
Omigod! You knew exactly where the rock was but didn't know where you
were? You knew where you were but did know how the boat would turn?
Sorry, Bob, you were clueless!


It's funny, but your deduction above shows how little you know about
sailing.
The comment about "how the boat would turn" is truly amazing.

RB
35s5...a better performing that will be trashed by Bob
NY

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RB
35s5...a boat with a draft of only 4.9!

Get a clue - this is not really a shoal draft boat.


Wrong again, Jeff. Anyone want to point out how little Jeff knows about
boats or what the word Shoal means and how shoal draft can even be a
deeper draft than my 4.9?

SHOAL: An offshore hazard to navigation at a depth of 16 fathoms (30
meters or 96 feet) or less, composed of unconsolidated material.

Term: Shoal Draft-generally a shortened keel section to reduce draft.

So....Jeff is busted again! Shoal draft is a variable term and is best
applied to the areas where you sail. On the LIS, sailors agree that 6
foot draft starts giving folks worries and anything below five is very
good for the area. Sounds like I have a shoal draft 35s5! And it still
outpoints your oil rig!

Robert B
35s5...a boat that points!
NY