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Amazing. Neal started a thread on captains and having real licenses.
Yet my friend who just bought a Catalina 30 has a captain's license and
hasn't sailed anywhere. Her sister also passed and got the license and
she can't sail at all!!!!

But my buddy who has done more crossings of the Atlantic than all of
you combined has no license and continues to get work doing deliveries.

What a joke the captains license is. It implies nothing, means nothing
and is no assurance of safe operations of a boat.

10 years of sailing in near-coastal waters and not one injury onboard
my 3 sailboats...and literally hundreds and hundreds of guests.

I'm the safest sailor here! And I'm the captain of my vessel by every
definition. The rest of you are frauds for the most part since you HERE
posting every hour on the hour! Shame on you.


CAPTAIN Robert B
35s5....the slickest boat on Alt.Sailing.Asa
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote
Amazing. Neal started a thread on captains and having real licenses.
[snip]
What a joke the captains license is. It implies nothing, means nothing
and is no assurance of safe operations of a boat.

Well, it means something, just not that much.
Several years ago I was onboard the USS Truman and met Capt. Otterbein.
I know the difference of which you speak.
Capt. Scout

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I thought you hurt your back wrestling the Ghost girls aboard your boat.



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Amazing. Neal started a thread on captains and having real licenses.
Yet my friend who just bought a Catalina 30 has a captain's license and
hasn't sailed anywhere. Her sister also passed and got the license and
she can't sail at all!!!!

But my buddy who has done more crossings of the Atlantic than all of
you combined has no license and continues to get work doing deliveries.

What a joke the captains license is. It implies nothing, means nothing
and is no assurance of safe operations of a boat.

10 years of sailing in near-coastal waters and not one injury onboard
my 3 sailboats...and literally hundreds and hundreds of guests.

I'm the safest sailor here! And I'm the captain of my vessel by every
definition. The rest of you are frauds for the most part since you HERE
posting every hour on the hour! Shame on you.


CAPTAIN Robert B
35s5....the slickest boat on Alt.Sailing.Asa
NY

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That would not be possible, since sea time is a requirement.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Amazing. Neal started a thread on captains and having real licenses.
Yet my friend who just bought a Catalina 30 has a captain's license and
hasn't sailed anywhere.

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Capt. JG wrote:
That would not be possible, since sea time is a requirement.

He thinks a license is something you get from the Power Squadron.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm the safest sailor here!

CAPTAIN Robert B
35s5....the slickest boat on Alt.Sailing.Asa
NY

Easy for you to say, you never leave the dock.

Bwaahhahahhahahhahahahhahhahahhahhahahhahahhahahha hhahahhaa

John Cairns

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...

Snipped some
| | I'm the safest sailor here!

It stands to reason that you're the safest sailor here - you don't sail.

CN

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Ah....

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"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
That would not be possible, since sea time is a requirement.

He thinks a license is something you get from the Power Squadron.

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Capt. Rob wrote:
....
10 years of sailing in near-coastal waters and not one injury onboard
my 3 sailboats...and literally hundreds and hundreds of guests.

I doubt you have any "near coastal" time. Certainly LIS does not
count as "near coastal," its strictly inland.

I'm the safest sailor here!

How do you figure this? You've taken a few friends out for a few
hours in protected waters a few dozen times.

I've been sailing almost 50 years and never had a crew injured. This
includes several years on the inter-collegiate circuit, 6 years
instructing in dinks, numerous New England trips from NYC to Down
East, and several for the entire East Coast. Never needed more than a
bandaid, and while living aboard, never had a serious illness. Also,
I've never had an insurance claim on any boat.

My sister-in-law did have a near-death experience the first time we
gybed on the Nonsuch, buts that's another story.

Actually, this is more or less common for most of my friends. I do
have one friend, though, who seemed to need at least one emergency
room trip every year. He would routinely whack someone with a gybe -
this was one reason why an overhead traveler became high on my
priority list. A typical incident (non-boating) for him: he was
working under his car where the front was on jack stands, and managed
to short the starter. The car jumped off the stand and crushed his
hip, keeping him in a hospital bed for three months. Now that I think
of it, after that he bought a large Beneteau. I haven't seen him for
a few years, but I doubt his "luck" has changed.




CRAPTAIN Robert B
35s5....the sickest boat on Alt.Sailing.Asa
NY

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"Jeff" wrote in message

I've been sailing almost 50 years and never had a crew injured.

I view that statement in the same manner as "I've never run aground".....
accidents happen no matter what steps are taken to avoid them.

I can't begin to count the stubbed toes, cuts, rope burns, fingers jammed in
the sheets around the winch, hand slammed with the cockpit lid... and that's
just me!

Oh BTW... I've hit bottom an embarrassing amount of times. [ Till I learned
to turn off the sounder, since then.. nada]

I think both you and Bob are taking liberties with historical data... :-)

CM

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:30:45 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
wrote:


Oh BTW... I've hit bottom an embarrassing amount of times.

You have yet to hit bottom, Guy, but you are getting close.

I "hit bottom" every time I bother to respond to one of your posts PJ.....
then again I was married once and had all "pride" removed during my
incarceration in that institution.

CM

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Capt.Mooron wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message

I've been sailing almost 50 years and never had a crew injured.

I view that statement in the same manner as "I've never run aground".....
accidents happen no matter what steps are taken to avoid them.

I can't begin to count the stubbed toes, cuts, rope burns, fingers jammed in
the sheets around the winch, hand slammed with the cockpit lid... and that's
just me!

As I said, nothing worse than a bandaid. Sure there have been stubbed
toes and rope burns and some bruises. On the second day of our
yearlong trip I actually almost fed my finger to the windlass, but
caught myself while still in the "bandaid" phase. Another split
second and I would have "Four Finger Jeff." And my daughter caught a
really nasty dock splinter. But no stitches, no broken bones, no
hospital trips, no insurance claims. I've never had a crew injured,
and I have to go back to my college days to when I did a few dumb
things to myself like use my arm as a fender, and my face as a boom
crutch.

Perhaps things would have been different if I raced more, or drank
more, but crew safety has always been top priority for me. It was a
major part of our decision to by a cat - no tipping, no steep
companionway, huge foredeck, modest rig compared to the size, shallow
draft, almost unsinkable - but that a whole other discussion.



Oh BTW... I've hit bottom an embarrassing amount of times. [ Till I learned
to turn off the sounder, since then.. nada]

I've scraped a soft bottom a number of times, and nudged a rock, but
never hit anything hard. My only bad grounding happened at anchor,
when we got pulled a lot closer to the riverbank than I expected. At
2AM I was frantically doing trig calculations to determine if the cat
could actually be flipped by hanging up on one hull!

People who live near shallow water with soft bottoms can take bottom
routinely, but on a rocky coast with 10 foot tides navigation is taken
seriously. And with the new electronics, there's really no excuse
other than stupidity and liquor.

BTW, the "bad luck" case I mentioned in my last post routinely bounced
off rocks, in some case the same rock several times. On his first
trip into Boston he followed the "Red Left Returning" rule and hit
Lower Middle at six knots, fast enough to break the engine mounts,
destroy the exhaust, and bend the rudder shaft.


I think both you and Bob are taking liberties with historical data... :-)

Actually Bob confessed to whacking a rock a mile from his slip, even
after his navigational error had been pointed out ...

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"Jeff" wrote



Perhaps things would have been different if I raced more, or
drank
more,

it's never too late to start.
;)

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Actually Bob confessed to whacking a rock a mile from his slip, even
after his navigational error had been pointed out ...


Yep...it's true. In fact Over the past 11 years I've whacked TWO rocks.
In BOTH cases I knew exactly where they were, but was CERTAIN I still
had room to navigate. When sailing in other areas of the Sound and NY
harbor I've yet to hit anything. When we went to the Thimble Islands we
dragged through some mud...but we expected to.

RB
35s5...a boat with a draft of only 4.9!
NY

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Oh my god!


Calm yourself, Ozzy. Two light whacks in 11 years don't amount to much,
especially since we were no worse for wear. Mistakes of that sort are
more likley to happen close to home where you feel comfortable. Just
like car accidents. I've heard and read about it in other groups. Of
course it never happened in this group!

As I always prove, I'm honest about such things. If I make a
mistake...no big deal. I'm not so cowardly not to admit it. I even give
Jeff credit for admitting he nearly lost his finger in a
Windlass....far worse than banging a rock. But such things happen and
if they shock you, you might prefer to stay home more than you already
do.

RB
35s5...a boat that will sail into rocky shallows!
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:
Actually Bob confessed to whacking a rock a mile from his slip, even
after his navigational error had been pointed out ...


Yep...it's true. In fact Over the past 11 years I've whacked TWO rocks.
In BOTH cases I knew exactly where they were, but was CERTAIN I still
had room to navigate.

Omigod! You knew exactly where the rock was but didn't know where you
were? You knew where you were but did know how the boat would turn?
Sorry, Bob, you were clueless!

When sailing in other areas of the Sound and NY
harbor I've yet to hit anything.

Are you bragging that you never hit a rock when there was more than 10
feet of water?

When we went to the Thimble Islands we
dragged through some mud...but we expected to.

It depends on where you were - the Thimbles are an exceptionally rocky
area - this is not a place to have any doubts.


RB
35s5...a boat with a draft of only 4.9!

Get a clue - this is not really a shoal draft boat.

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Omigod! You knew exactly where the rock was but didn't know where you
were? You knew where you were but did know how the boat would turn?
Sorry, Bob, you were clueless!


It's funny, but your deduction above shows how little you know about
sailing.
The comment about "how the boat would turn" is truly amazing.

RB
35s5...a better performing boat than Jeff's
NY

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It depends on where you were - the Thimbles are an exceptionally rocky
area - this is not a place to have any doubts.

We had no doubts We only hit our own local rocks.


RB

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I was trying to be simple so you could understand. Explain to us
again how you knew exactly where the rock was and still hit it.

Capt. Rob wrote:
Omigod! You knew exactly where the rock was but didn't know where you
were? You knew where you were but did know how the boat would turn?
Sorry, Bob, you were clueless!


It's funny, but your deduction above shows how little you know about
sailing.
The comment about "how the boat would turn" is truly amazing.

RB
35s5...a better performing that will be trashed by Bob
NY

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RB
35s5...a boat with a draft of only 4.9!

Get a clue - this is not really a shoal draft boat.


Wrong again, Jeff. Anyone want to point out how little Jeff knows about
boats or what the word Shoal means and how shoal draft can even be a
deeper draft than my 4.9?

SHOAL: An offshore hazard to navigation at a depth of 16 fathoms (30
meters or 96 feet) or less, composed of unconsolidated material.

Term: Shoal Draft-generally a shortened keel section to reduce draft.

So....Jeff is busted again! Shoal draft is a variable term and is best
applied to the areas where you sail. On the LIS, sailors agree that 6
foot draft starts giving folks worries and anything below five is very
good for the area. Sounds like I have a shoal draft 35s5! And it still
outpoints your oil rig!

Robert B
35s5...a boat that points!
NY

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"Swab Rob" wrote

SHOAL: An offshore hazard to navigation at a depth of 16
fathoms (30
meters or 96 feet) or less, composed of unconsolidated
material.

So, anything drawing less than 95' is shoal draft?

SBV

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"Swab Rob" wrote

RB
35s5...a boat that will sail into rocky shallows!


Even with that great R&P steering??!!!

SV

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message news:_6ybf.107447$Io.69589@clgrps13...
|
| "Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
| ...
| On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:30:45 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
| wrote:
|
|
| Oh BTW... I've hit bottom an embarrassing amount of times.
|
| You have yet to hit bottom, Guy, but you are getting close.
|
| I "hit bottom" every time I bother to respond to one of your posts PJ.....
| then again I was married once and had all "pride" removed during my
| incarceration in that institution.
|
| CM

Sensible words from an astute (if careless) man. Incarceration is right.
Even dating these days has become a form of incarceration.

CN

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message ...
| On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:30:34 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
| wrote:
|
|
| "Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
| .. .
| On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:30:45 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
| wrote:
|
|
| Oh BTW... I've hit bottom an embarrassing amount of times.
|
| You have yet to hit bottom, Guy, but you are getting close.
|
| I "hit bottom" every time I bother to respond to one of your posts PJ.....
| then again I was married once and had all "pride" removed during my
| incarceration in that institution.
|
| CM
|
|
| Sounds as if you have made a career of being "owned", Cabinboy Muldoon. It's
| almost as if you enjoy being beaten. You had all pride removed by being married?
| What a complete PUSSY. Lets revisit this any time you talk about your leadership
| skills, shall we?
|
| Bwhahahahahahahahaha!
|
| Commodore Joe Redcloud


"Commode door", if you would temper your trolls with a little less mean-spiritedness
and a little more subtle humor you might become more effective at trolling . . .

Just a thought.

CN

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...

snipped some
| I even give
| Jeff credit for admitting he nearly lost his finger in a
| Windlass....
snipped some more


I give Jeff negative points for even having a windlass. Real sailors
don't use a windlass. If you cannot hand your ground tackle you
are either too much of a wimp or your boat and anchor are too
large for you.

CN

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So, anything drawing less than 95' is shoal draft?


That's the official definition. Shoal draft of 3 feet is NOT shoal
draft if you have water commonly more shallow in some areas. On the
sound anything under 5 feet is called shoal draft. If the keel is
redesigned to offer less draft than the optimal keel, it's a shoal
draft keel. You also have to spread this across the board as draft may
increase along with LOA and Disp. One persons full draft is another's
shoal. But the term is applied by builders as a point of design and I
would hope that Jeff knows that.
Or maybe not.

Robert B
35s5...damn fast and shoal draft!
NY

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"Capt. Neal®" wrote in

Even dating these days has become a form of incarceration.

CN

Spoken like a true he-man! The three rings of marraige:

1) Engagement-ring
2) Wedding-ring
3) Suffer-ring

More men would be living happy, manly lives if they would only heed your
wise advice. The world would be a better place.

Gilligan

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"Crap'n Neal®" wrote in
Even dating these days has become a form of incarceration.


I guess even blow-up dollies have heard of women's lib, eh?


Gilligan wrote:
Spoken like a true he-man! The three rings of marraige:

1) Engagement-ring
2) Wedding-ring
3) Suffer-ring

More men would be living happy, manly lives if they would only heed your
wise advice. The world would be a better place.


At least there's be fewer people crowding the road at 7:30 every morning.

But then, so many men choose their wives the way Boobsie chooses a
boat... no wonder it ends in disaster.

DSK

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But then, so many men choose their wives the way Boobsie chooses a
boat... no wonder it ends in disaster.


Right! I married a pretty German nurse who loves to sail and we own a
fast racer cruiser 35s5.

You have a Trawler! It's a wonder you even post here!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB
35s5...a sailors boat
NY

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"DSK" wrote

But then, so many men choose their wives the way Boobsie
chooses a
boat... no wonder it ends in disaster.


Sudsy has a sugar scoop rear end?

SBV

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Scotty,
With that swim platform shortening the cockpit there wasn't room for two
cable wheels. Had to go with R&P

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"Capt. Neal®" wrote:

"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Snipped some
| | I'm the safest sailor here!

It stands to reason that you're the safest sailor here - you don't sail.

Neither do you, so maybe it's a tie?

LP

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:Loacf.4312$4l5.3362@dukeread05...
|
| "Capt. Neal®" wrote:
|
| "Capt. Rob" wrote:
|
| Snipped some
| | | I'm the safest sailor here!
|
| It stands to reason that you're the safest sailor here - you don't sail.
|
| Neither do you, so maybe it's a tie?
|
| LP


The only tie around here is the tie between your waistline in inches and
your IQ - both being 53!

CN

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"Capt. Neal®" wrote:

"Lady Pilot" wrote: |
| "Capt. Neal®" wrote:
|
| "Capt. Rob" wrote:
|
| Snipped some
| | | I'm the safest sailor here!
|
| It stands to reason that you're the safest sailor here - you don't
sail.
|
| Neither do you, so maybe it's a tie?
|
| LP


The only tie around here is the tie between your waistline in inches and
your IQ - both being 53!

Oooohhh, so your saying that you like fat women with no brains? Sorry to
disappoint you!

LP

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:Iwbcf.4329$4l5.791@dukeread05...
|
| "Capt. Neal®" wrote:
|
| "Lady Pilot" wrote: |
| | "Capt. Neal®" wrote:
| |
| | "Capt. Rob" wrote:
| |
| | Snipped some
| | | | I'm the safest sailor here!
| |
| | It stands to reason that you're the safest sailor here - you don't
| sail.
| |
| | Neither do you, so maybe it's a tie?
| |
| | LP
|
|
| The only tie around here is the tie between your waistline in inches and
| your IQ - both being 53!
|
| Oooohhh, so your saying that you like fat women with no brains? Sorry to
| disappoint you!
|
| LP
|
|

If I liked fat women with no brains I would be chasing Shortcake or
Katysails or Ganz!

CN