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More Brilliance from Mooron!



"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Ah ... er ... I hate to tell you this but it ain't silt. It's the same

"silt" that forms in a septic tank.


100% wrong. The bottom conditions of the Sound are quite unique and
specific after thousands of years. It's nothing at all like the bottom
of a septic tank. Of course it helps if you actually know what "silt"
is. You clearly don't. Quite simply...

No Bob... he's quite right. The term "silt" is used to describe both the
action [siltation] and the gradation [less then 0.0075] Silt generally
contains clays and other particulate matter. Clays have even smaller
particulate sizes.


1 : loose sedimentary material with rock particles usually -uf,1-
millimeter or less in diameter.

It's a generic term for the most part. Damage to the Sound has been due
to illegal dumping allowed by local and Federal goverments. The system
is recoverable to some degree. The water itself, literally "flushed" by
tha race every day is cleaner than the Maryland/PA or local beach
waters.

The very fact that a sediment can accumulate indicates that insufficent
"flushing" is present. The area is bottle necked and bowled which makes
efficent flushing very difficult unless the contaminant is suspended. Add
to
the fact that sedimentation protects and seals lower layers as natural
settlement moves the heavier particulate matter to the bottom... and you
have a reciepe for a very difficult clean-up. Silt born contaminats are
the
most difficult to remove and take the longest to recover. It is also one
of
the most expensive type of contamination treatment situations since any
disturbance releases concentrated contaminants. I believe it was mentioned

that siltation depths exceed 10 ft in many areas. That is a phenomenal
amount of contamination.


Bob Crantz knows nothing about ecology. He's a Google hound with no
inherent knowledge base. And you may know even less.

You may be wrong there...... he may be pulling your chain... but the
facts
do substantiate his claims.

Please avoid swiming or eating any seafood caught within proximity of your
area. Certainly do not let your child come in frequent contact with the
water there. The effects will not be noticed for many years... but they
will
be noticed eventually.

CM

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No Bob... he's quite right. The term "silt" is used to describe both
the
action [siltation] and the gradation [less then 0.0075] Silt generally
contains clays and other particulate matter.


Wrong Mooron. I posted the dictionary definition.

The very fact that a sediment can accumulate indicates that
insufficent
"flushing" is present.

No amount of "flushing" can remove the type of dumping that's occured.
This does not change the fact that the majority of the contamination
effects the base of the sound and not the water contained in it. That
water circulates and is exchanged on a regular basis. The water of the
Sound is clean, but the base is contaminated. No one has ever been
injured by swimming in these waters. I don't eat seafood from this area
because the ecological damage might extend that far. Still, I know lots
of people who eat what they catch here and no one is glowing or getting
sick.

RB

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Yes, its a different world indeed! When your only ambition is to
daysail, you don't have to be concerned with the wind strength or your
speed. You go out for an hour, you come back for an hour. The
destination is of no importance; you can decide at the last minute
which way is most favorable. And it matters little whether you go
first to the bridge and then to the rock, or vice versa. And if you
miscalculate, it just means you start the engine a few minute early.

By your own admission, this is virtually all you ever do. Even on
your "long trips" you waited until the conditions were absolutely
perfect, and more often than not you canceled out! This forum is
filled with your promises of a major trip "real soon now," but it
never seems to happen.

Cruising, on the other hand, requires certain commitments, planning,
and an ability to handle whatever comes up without scooting back to
the safety of your slip.

For instance, when we leave Boston, roughly half the time time the
current is against us, over 2 knots for a considerable stretch. If
the wind is light, I'm not going to hesitate to fire up the engine.
Why not just accept it and spend 3-4 hours working out of the harbor?
Because often as not we have another 30-50 miles to go once we get
out! A daysailor would just avoid the mouth of the harbor when the
current is running; a cruiser has to deal with it. If we do an
overnight trip to get Down East, it doesn't serve any purpose to drift
around 20 miles offshore in the middle of the night.

And most of our routes involve high current passages such as the Cape
Cod Canal, Wood's Hole, the Blynman Canal, etc. When you make a
commitment to transit the Cape Cod Canal, it doesn't do you much good
to sail 30 miles and get there after the current has turned.

I could go on at length, but everyone here understands this. Everyone
except booby, of course.

BTW, We only left the dock 7 times last summer: Twice for daysails,
twice for overnights anchored in the harbor, and three times for 2
week trips. We powered and motorsailed a fair amount, but more than
half of the longer passages were under sail alone. So how often has
booby done a 50 mile spinnaker run?


Capt. Rob wrote:
if
we're doing under 5 knots we're likely to fire up the engine.


Nuff said. Jeff, you're in another world, basically a powerboating one.
I can't believe anyone would post such a thing, especially here.

RB
35s5

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This little fellow came to visit daily while we were at anchor in
Chamela Bay last season.

http://www.sailinglinks.com/images/B...%20Flipper.jpg

Lady B.
www.sailinglinks.com

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Why not just accept it and spend 3-4 hours working out of the harbor?



Total bull****. Too late to change what you posted, Jeff. You said you
usually start the engines when you're mot making 5 knots. I could care
less what you say from here on. Claim you're cruising with time
committments or whatever. You can try to make this about our easy going
day sails and short trips. I don't care. We don't run the engine. It's
against the very fabric of why we're out there for an hour, 5 hours or
a 3 day weekend trip.
You're full of ****. Some of the folks will look the other way, but you
and I know you've been exposed...and I suspect everyone does. You run
the engine when making less than 5 knots!

Powerboater!

RB

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Sound is clean, but the base is contaminated. No one has ever been
injured by swimming in these waters. Still, I know lots
of people who eat what they catch here and no one is glowing or getting
sick.

RB


Pathogens are entering the Sound's waters due to the use of obsolescent
sewer systems. These older systems were designed to let rainwater runoff
flow through the same pipes as contaminated sewage. During mild periods of
precipitation, the rainwater and sewage remain separated due to a dividing
wall inside the pipes. To accommodate a surge of rainwater during periods
of heavy precipitation, the engineers included a gap at the top of the
dividing wall. This allowed overflowing rainwater to flow through both
sides of the pipe at once. This causes the rainwater to come in contact
with untreated human sewage. The contaminated rainwater bypasses treatment
and is dumped into Long Island Sound. These combined sewer overflow systems
are currently in use in eight cities around Long Island Sound: New York
City, Norwalk, Jewett City, Derby, Norwich, Shelton, Bridgeport, and New
Haven. Other Sources of pathogens are sewage treatment plant malfunctions,
unmonitored (illegal) connections to sewers, and sewage discharges from
ships in the sound.

The presence of pathogens in Long Island Sound presents a serious health
risk to humans exposed to them through the ingestion of improperly cooked,
contaminated shellfish or by bathing in contaminated waters. Exposure can
cause serious diseases such as salmonellosis and hepatitus A. Contamination
alerts diminish the regional economy by damaging the public's opinion of the
Sound's resources. Closings of beaches and shell fishing areas are results
of pathogen contamination (see figure 5).

http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/students/...land_sound.htm

From 1986 to 1990, the Management Conference identified 10 beaches that were
chronically closed (defined as closed for at least three days per year for
at least three of the five years) to swimmers due to pathogen contamination.
The chronically closed beaches, in order of severity, were Scudder Park,
Gold Star Battalion, Mamaroneck Area, Huntington Beach Community, Hempstead
Harbor Area, Centerport Yacht Club, Fleets Cove, and Mamaroneck Beach Cabana
and Yacht Club in New York and the beaches in the Norwalk and Milford areas
of Connecticut.

http://www.epa.gov/region01/eco/lis/ccmp/patho.html

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Closings of beaches and shell fishing areas are results
of pathogen contamination (see figure 5).


Thanks for making my point, Bob. BEACHES have levels due to ground
contamination retention. This is not found in deeper water where we
swim. These waters are exchanged daily.
Sorry, you can't google your way around it.

RB
35s5...a better boat
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote:

Why not just accept it and spend 3-4 hours working out of the harbor?


Total bull****.

Better back of Jeff, I thinks she's gonna blow soon!

Cheers
Martin

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Closings of beaches and shell fishing areas are results
of pathogen contamination (see figure 5).


Thanks for making my point, Bob. BEACHES have levels due to ground
contamination retention. This is not found in deeper water where we
swim. These waters are exchanged daily.
Sorry, you can't google your way around it.

RB
35s5...a better boat
NY

Aaahahahahahahahahahaaa!!!!!!

If the pollution is all on the bottom, guess which way it flows?

http://smig.usgs.gov/SMIG/features_0900/li_sound.html

The longitudinal salinity and associated density gradient that exists
throughout the year drives an estuarine circulation, where water flows
eastward near the surface and westward near the bottom (Riley, 1956; Wilson,
1976). Using data from 28 current meter moorings located 2 m above the
bottom, Gordon and Pilbeam (1975) calculated an average westward bottom flow
of about 5-10 cm/s.

Looks like the crap on the bottom flows westward. Toward City Island!

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I'm not changing what I said, only pointing out what's obvious to
everyone else. Almost all of my sailing is long enough to be
concerned about arrival times. A 50 mile trip to Ptown (my shortest
this year) will be 10 hours or more if you can only make 5 knots. If
the speed goes down to 4 knots, it becomes over 12 hours. In fact,
the first time I sailed there was in a small boat with no engine, so
it was planned as an overnight. Now when I leave I know I can pick
an arrival time before dark. Of course, if the wind is favorable, as
it was both ways this year, we can average 8 to 9 knots under sail and
do the 50 miles in 6 hours.

You wouldn't even make the trip - you'd still be home with your A/C
plugged in.

Landlubber!

P.S. I know you've made one nightsail, but I doubt you'll be doing
much of that with a child on board.


Capt. Rob wrote:
Why not just accept it and spend 3-4 hours working out of the harbor?


Total bull****. Too late to change what you posted, Jeff. You said you
usually start the engines when you're mot making 5 knots. I could care
less what you say from here on. Claim you're cruising with time
committments or whatever. You can try to make this about our easy going
day sails and short trips. I don't care. We don't run the engine. It's
against the very fabric of why we're out there for an hour, 5 hours or
a 3 day weekend trip.
You're full of ****. Some of the folks will look the other way, but you
and I know you've been exposed...and I suspect everyone does. You run
the engine when making less than 5 knots!

Powerboater!

RB