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Yesterday I flew out to St. Petersburg in pretty bad weather. Got to
the 35s5 by noon. The full survey was wrapping up, but there was still
the rig inspection, haul out and final sea trial.
All went perfectly, but winds were building to 20 knots and gusting
higher almost on cue as we dropped the boat back into the water. This
would be the first time I got to sail the 35s5 in heavier air. GOOD
GOLLY!!! This boat is FAST!!! I knew she was fast from two previous
sails, but this was off the hook. The boat rocketed along on a close
reach under reefed main. We fell off an I popped the 110. WHAM! I can
see why people usually sail these things without a genoa. Coming away
from the slip in something like 10 kts we hovered around 5 knots of
boat speed, but now we were powering past 7 with surges to 9 at times.
"That's nothing!" The owner said. He instructed me to crack off a bit
and we were FLYING!!! The gusts were all over the place and the sea
state building a bit, but damned if we didn't top 11 knots when I had
her in the groove.
There is some laminate damage to the main, so a price adjustment was
made. The mylar 110 and 150 were in great shape but dirty...and I've
been told we can't clean them. The Doyle and North Chutes looked to be
unused. A nice price allowance was made for the main and we signed the
contracts back at the dock. There was no time to get the mast stepped
as planned, so that will happen a bit later as we arrange to have her
trucked home.
We're really thrilled with this boat. All that speed and fun....and
then you have to pinch yourself because that beautiful interior is
below.
The only bad thing was...my flight back to LaGuardia was delayed after
a very long day.

Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY

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What boat?
JB
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Yesterday I flew out to St. Petersburg in pretty bad weather. Got to
the 35s5 by noon. The full survey was wrapping up, but there was still
the rig inspection, haul out and final sea trial.
All went perfectly, but winds were building to 20 knots and gusting
higher almost on cue as we dropped the boat back into the water. This
would be the first time I got to sail the 35s5 in heavier air. GOOD
GOLLY!!! This boat is FAST!!! I knew she was fast from two previous
sails, but this was off the hook. The boat rocketed along on a close
reach under reefed main. We fell off an I popped the 110. WHAM! I can
see why people usually sail these things without a genoa. Coming away
from the slip in something like 10 kts we hovered around 5 knots of
boat speed, but now we were powering past 7 with surges to 9 at times.
"That's nothing!" The owner said. He instructed me to crack off a bit
and we were FLYING!!! The gusts were all over the place and the sea
state building a bit, but damned if we didn't top 11 knots when I had
her in the groove.
There is some laminate damage to the main, so a price adjustment was
made. The mylar 110 and 150 were in great shape but dirty...and I've
been told we can't clean them. The Doyle and North Chutes looked to be
unused. A nice price allowance was made for the main and we signed the
contracts back at the dock. There was no time to get the mast stepped
as planned, so that will happen a bit later as we arrange to have her
trucked home.
We're really thrilled with this boat. All that speed and fun....and
then you have to pinch yourself because that beautiful interior is
below.
The only bad thing was...my flight back to LaGuardia was delayed after
a very long day.

Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY

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How did you sail it without the mast stepped?


LOL. We'll UNSTEP the mast in a couple of weeks. Trying to find a
one-way on the shipping ASAP.

RB

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Maybe Scotty will haul your yacht for you.




"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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How did you sail it without the mast stepped?


LOL. We'll UNSTEP the mast in a couple of weeks. Trying to find a
one-way on the shipping ASAP.

RB

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Heh Bob.... were you "Packin'" on your last trip to Florida?

http://www.shootfirstlaw.org/

Does your boat come with a Gun Rack?

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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How did you sail it without the mast stepped?


LOL. We'll UNSTEP the mast in a couple of weeks. Trying to find a
one-way on the shipping ASAP.

RB

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Heh Bob.... were you "Packin'" on your last trip to Florida?


I couldn't even get my hammer on the plane and they wanted me to take
out the moisture meter so they could see what it was!

RB

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I got a photo of every airport security person who has asked me to prove my
digital camera was "functional"!

Where on the security person did you insert the probe to prove the meter
worked?

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Heh Bob.... were you "Packin'" on your last trip to Florida?


I couldn't even get my hammer on the plane and they wanted me to take
out the moisture meter so they could see what it was!

RB

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OzOne wrote in message
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How did you sail it without the mast stepped?


It's easy in the matrix.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote ...
Heh Bob.... were you "Packin'" on your last trip to Florida?



Yes, I had 2 pair of socks in my pants.

RB

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Capt.Mooron wrote:

Heh Bob.... were you "Packin'" on your last trip to Florida?

http://www.shootfirstlaw.org/


I like that idea!
"An armed society is a polite society" -Robert A. Heinlein



Capt. Rob wrote:
I couldn't even get my hammer on the plane and they wanted me to take
out the moisture meter so they could see what it was!


That makes me feel a lot safer. What were you taking the hammer for, to
check for dry rot in the planking?

DSK

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I'm not licensed to haul in the matrix.

Scotty

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Maybe Scotty will haul your yacht for you.




"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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How did you sail it without the mast stepped?


LOL. We'll UNSTEP the mast in a couple of weeks. Trying to
find a
one-way on the shipping ASAP.

RB

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''a one-way'' ???????




"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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How did you sail it without the mast stepped?


LOL. We'll STEP the mast in a couple of weeks. Trying to find a
one-way on the shipping ASAP.

RB

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"DSK" wrote ...

That makes me feel a lot safer. What were you taking the hammer
for, to
check for dry rot in the planking?


To wake himself up and get out of this dream.

SBV

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Yeah, The sole of Donald's boat is poorly fitted and he had to stuff
tissues
between the planks to make them stop squeaking! So much for "fit and
finish"


Ded-hed. Someone going heavy and coming back light...about half the
price. Otherwise it's close to 5K. My yard and their are working to
find someone. Time is on my side...at least for now.


RB

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That makes me feel a lot safer. What were you taking the hammer
for, to
check for dry rot in the planking?

Sound the deck before using the meter. We the deck to be 100% dry with
a small one inch void only in the starboard side deck.

RB

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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That makes me feel a lot safer. What were you taking the hammer
for, to
check for dry rot in the planking?

Sound the deck before using the meter. We the deck to be 100% dry with
a small one inch void only in the starboard side deck.

So Bob... what type of sound are you looking for when applying a whack with
a 28oz waffle faced framing hammer to the gelcoat??

I've seen a surveyor use a rawhide mallet and a stethoscope before.....
sort of weird!

CM

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From: "Scotty"
I'm not licensed to haul in the matrix.

ROFLMAO!

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

Ded-hed. Someone going heavy and coming back light...about half the
price. Otherwise it's close to 5K. My yard and their are working to
find someone. Time is on my side...at least for now.

Good Grief!!

CM

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From: "Scotty"
I'm not licensed to haul in the matrix.

ROFLMAO!


Yeah....my nicer, faster, newer, better more valuable boat is sure
funny!!!
Enjoy your Depessasaur 30!

RB

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Enjoy your Depessasaur 30!.

All the time. We picked up more trophies this summer.

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Enjoy your Depessasaur 30!.


All the time. We picked up more trophies this summer.


WOW! Too bad that doesn't make your boat faster or nicer than mine!!!
Too bad you still own a tired looking design! Have fun playing with
your trophies!

RB

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So Bob... what type of sound are you looking for when applying a whack
with
a 28oz waffle faced framing hammer to the gelcoat??


Generally, when sounding a cored deck for water and voids I listen for
a sharp report. Dull sounds are reason for further inspection, but
before all of this you need to go below and note where hardware points
are, including fixtures. Different decks make different sounds of
course! If the boat has a liner, it should be removed if at all
posiblle. Even if you have little experience you can sound a deck. It's
pretty easy to hear the differences. Once you locate an area, the meter
(I use a GRP 33) can find possible wet core. Bulkheads and other
structural elements can also give you false leade..pretty easy to
figure out. If the meter can be used on the underside of the deck,
that's also a big help. Same goes for the hull.
I've worked with several surveyors and they all have their little
tricks, but it's not rocket science. Nothing beats experience. I do my
own pre-survey which is more extensive than what most people do. For
the 35s5 the surveyor found 3 things I missed...a bad fuel hose clamp,
a dying sanitation hose...and most serious of all, a poorly located
thru hull for the air conditioning that will have to be relocated.
Other than that she surveyed out like a new boat.

RB

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Nothing beats experience. I do my
own pre-survey which is more extensive than what most people do..

LOL .................................................. ................

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Capt. Rob wrote:
How did you sail it without the mast stepped?


LOL. We'll UNSTEP the mast in a couple of weeks. Trying to find a
one-way on the shipping ASAP.

If I had a boat down in FL now, I'd be tempted to leave it rigged for
a while and take a little vacation.

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Nothing beats experience. I do my
own pre-survey which is more extensive than what most people do..


LOL .................................................. ................



It just kills poor Loco. I'm actually making money with boats and
working with yards and surveyors. Now I have a WAY nicer boat. And he's
sitting around waiting to daysail his Depress 30!!!

RB

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LOL. We'll UNSTEP the mast in a couple of weeks. Trying to find a
one-way on the shipping ASAP.

If I had a boat down in FL now, I'd be tempted to leave it rigged for
a while and take a little vacation.


Believe me...I feel the same way. We'll be in Tampa for 1 week, but
it's mostly to see Suzanne's family. I'm afraid with won't be able to
use the boat until Spring. I did have a great sail yesterday all the
same on her.

RB

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It just kills poor Loco. I'm actually making money with boats and
working with yards and surveyors. .

Boob, outside of the Matrix your working in the marine business is
small potatos.

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That
said, it is still perfectly useful since it can be used to note
comparative measurements from location to location.

I also had the Tramax Skipper which I didn't like. Every surveyor I've
dealt with had the GRP 33. But nobody misses sounding the deck and
hull. You can't rely on a meter to tell you about voids without a
proper sounding. My 35s5 was surveyed by Todd Delaney who basically
felt you should sound first, then back it up with a meter, which is how
I work. Chapman School of Seamanship rated the GRP 33 the best meter.
For 310.00 it's a worthwhile tool to keep around.

RB

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Boob, outside of the Matrix your working in the marine business is
small potatos.


But my potatos mean I don't pay any yard bills. I haven't had to paint
my boat or pay for any service in two years. Not bad for having fun!
Think I'll keep those potatos!

RB

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... What were you taking the hammer
for, to
check for dry rot in the planking?


Capt. Rob wrote:
Sound the deck before using the meter. We the deck to be 100% dry with
a small one inch void only in the starboard side deck.


What bone head gave you that advice?

In rea life, if you show up to look at a boat for sale, and want to use
a hammer to "sound" the decks, the owner (or his rep) would yank it away
from you and smack you with it.

DSK

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Capt.Mooron wrote:
So Bob... what type of sound are you looking for when applying a whack with
a 28oz waffle faced framing hammer to the gelcoat??


He's looking for the sound of the seller and or broker clocking him
upside the head.


I've seen a surveyor use a rawhide mallet and a stethoscope before.....
sort of weird!


No stethoscope needed. A rawhide mallet makes sense.

I know one surveyor who has a little wooden judges gavel... that's a
classy touch. Most that I've seen use the handle of a screwdriver.

And as usual, Boobsy hasn't got a clue. Maybe he read this in a sailing
magazine, but the way to "sound" any lamination (not just cored) is tap
in a grid pattern, listening for changes in the sound which are not
accountable by structure. In other words, if you get a "pok... pok...
pok... thud" and there is a stringer or beam or some structural
difference, then it's OK. If not, then you do a tighter grid & try to
map out the problem.

It's not rocket science, and anybody trying it with a hammer is friggin
dunce who should not be allowed near a boat.

DSK

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"Swab Rob" wrote
Yeah, The sole of Donald's boat is poorly fitted and he had to
stuff
tissues
between the planks to make them stop squeaking! So much for
"fit and
finish"


Ded-hed. Someone going heavy and coming back light...about half
the
price. Otherwise it's close to 5K. My yard and their are
working to
find someone.


WTF? Can ANYBODY decipher this post?

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"Swab Rob" wrote
It just kills poor Loco. I'm actually making money with boats
and
working with yards and surveyors.

IIRC Loco is retired. But, hey, I'm sure he's jealous that you're
still working.

Scotty

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote

I'm afraid with won't be able to use the boat until Spring.


HUH??????


I did have a great sail yesterday all the
same on her.

Who, Sudsy?


SBV

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It just kills poor Loco. I'm actually making money with boats
and
working with yards and surveyors.

IIRC Loco is retired. But, hey, I'm sure he's jealous that you're
still working.


Waiit a second!!!! LOCO IS RETIRED!!!!!!?????? And his retirement boat
is an ancient Express 30???!!!!!!
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh...the...humanity!!!!!!!! Loco should just kill himself!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHA! Retired with an Express 30??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Thanks, Scotty potty! That's PERRRRFECT!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Best
laugh of the day!

RB

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It's not rocket science, and anybody trying it with a hammer is friggin

dunce who should not be allowed near a boat.


You have to wonder if Doug even knows what a hammer looks like. Hammers
used by surveyors are tiny. Some use little wood hammers, mallets and
so on...all HAMMERS.
Doug, you're an idiot. I actually work with surveyors. You own a
trawler.

But let's take it a bit further to PROVE how dumb and full of it Doug
is!

Hammer: 1 a : a hand tool consisting of a solid head set crosswise on a
handle and used for pounding.

Gosh...do surveyors use hammers or is that Doug's head that's
solid!!!???

Good job, Doug! You're so eager to attack that you've exposed yourself
again.

RB

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"Swab Rob" wrote
Ded-hed.

Do you mean 'dead head' ?


Someone going heavy and coming back light...


Wrong!


My yard and their are working to find someone.

HUH?????


Hoo boy.....

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"Swab Rob" wrote

Sorry, I was thinking of my sex life.



"Scotty" wrote ...
''a one-way'' ???????




"
--
"Swab Rob" wrote
. Trying to find a
one-way .

RB

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What bone head gave you that advice?

In rea life, if you show up to look at a boat for sale, and want to use

a hammer to "sound" the decks, the owner (or his rep) would yank it
away
from you and smack you with it.

Doug...do you EVER work with a surveyor? Do you have a clue as to what
KIND of hammer is used? Here's a hint...it's small and not heavy! Ever
hear of a phenolic hammer?
Doug, I used to think you knew something and now it looks like you're
full of crap like Loco.

RB

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"DSK" wrote in

In real life, if you show up to look at a boat for sale, and
want to use
a hammer to "sound" the decks, the owner (or his rep) would
yank it away
from you and smack you with it.

This isn't real life Doug, it's make believe.

SBV