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It's not rocket science, and anybody trying it with a hammer is
friggin dunce who should not be allowed near a boat.

Now, now, now. The Boobster has stated that he is working in the
marine business with yards and surveyors.

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"Swab Rob" wrote
You have to wonder if Doug even knows what a hammer looks like.
Hammers
used by surveyors are tiny. Some use little wood hammers,
mallets and
so on...all HAMMERS.


But you wrote:


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"Swab Rob" wrote
I couldn't even get my ball peen hammer on the plane
and they wanted me to take
out the moisture meter so they could see what it was!

RB

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I couldn't even get my ball peen hammer on the plane
and they wanted me to take


Nice try, Scotty Potty. But you can't save doug. He got caught full of
crap yet again. Surveyors use hammers. Period. I have a Phenolic
hammer. Look it up.

RB

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote ...
I couldn't even get my ball peen hammer on the plane
and they wanted me to take


Surveyors use hammers. Period. I have a Phallic
hammer. Look me up.


Yikes!

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I use an Agilent Time Domain Reflectometer. It can tell how thick the gel
coat, fiberglass and core are. Your silly little meter can't.

Bwaahahaahahahaha!!!



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
That
said, it is still perfectly useful since it can be used to note
comparative measurements from location to location.

I also had the Tramax Skipper which I didn't like. Every surveyor I've
dealt with had the GRP 33. But nobody misses sounding the deck and
hull. You can't rely on a meter to tell you about voids without a
proper sounding. My 35s5 was surveyed by Todd Delaney who basically
felt you should sound first, then back it up with a meter, which is how
I work. Chapman School of Seamanship rated the GRP 33 the best meter.
For 310.00 it's a worthwhile tool to keep around.

RB

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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
.net...
I use an Agilent Time Domain Reflectometer. It can tell how thick the gel
coat, fiberglass and core are.

How does that unit work?

CM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Yesterday I flew out to St. Petersburg in pretty bad weather. Got to
the 35s5 by noon. The full survey was wrapping up, but there was still
the rig inspection, haul out and final sea trial.
All went perfectly, but winds were building to 20 knots and gusting
higher almost on cue as we dropped the boat back into the water. This
would be the first time I got to sail the 35s5 in heavier air. GOOD
GOLLY!!! This boat is FAST!!! I knew she was fast from two previous
sails, but this was off the hook. The boat rocketed along on a close
reach under reefed main. We fell off an I popped the 110. WHAM! I can
see why people usually sail these things without a genoa. Coming away
from the slip in something like 10 kts we hovered around 5 knots of
boat speed, but now we were powering past 7 with surges to 9 at times.
"That's nothing!" The owner said. He instructed me to crack off a bit
and we were FLYING!!! The gusts were all over the place and the sea
state building a bit, but damned if we didn't top 11 knots when I had
her in the groove.
There is some laminate damage to the main, so a price adjustment was
made. The mylar 110 and 150 were in great shape but dirty...and I've
been told we can't clean them. The Doyle and North Chutes looked to be
unused. A nice price allowance was made for the main and we signed the
contracts back at the dock. There was no time to get the mast stepped
as planned, so that will happen a bit later as we arrange to have her
trucked home.
We're really thrilled with this boat. All that speed and fun....and
then you have to pinch yourself because that beautiful interior is
below.
The only bad thing was...my flight back to LaGuardia was delayed after
a very long day.

Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY
Hey Rob,
I remember when I got my first sailboat iyt was a great day . I hope
whenever you get your first boat it means as much to you!
JB

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remember when I got my first sailboat iyt was a great day . I hope
whenever you get your first boat it means as much to you!


I guess this must be some sort of troll.


RB

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Whatever!? What do you call what you do?
JB

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
remember when I got my first sailboat iyt was a great day . I hope
whenever you get your first boat it means as much to you!


I guess this must be some sort of troll.


RB

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Whatever!? What do you call what you do?


Don't be silly. It's called comedy. And people like Loco, Scotty and
Doug don't even realize they are the butt of the joke.
BTW, we did in fact buy an excellent Beneteau First 35s5 in St.
Petersburg. I'll be posting more pics soon. I'll be getting her
decommissioned Nov. 19th.

RB

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Hey Nutsy,

On your test sail, did you feel that wing harden up and stop your
heeling when you cracked off and got the hull speed over its calculated
speed? I think it's the nuts to exceed hull speed without increasing
heel.

Happy sailing,
Ole Thom

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--
"Swab Rob" wrote
remember when I got my first sailboat iyt was a great day . I
hope
whenever you get your first boat it means as much to you!


I guess this must be some sort of troll.


And you're hooked!

Bwahahahahahahahahah

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it's called lying.


"J B" wrote in message
...
Whatever!? What do you call what you do?
JB

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
remember when I got my first sailboat iyt was a great day . I
hope
whenever you get your first boat it means as much to you!


I guess this must be some sort of troll.


RB

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

I have a Phenolic
hammer. Look it up.

I've got a 28oz waffle-faced finishing hammer!

I propose a separate thread where we common sailors can ask the experts like
yourself... questions regarding sail vessels and things nautical.

To begin....

What method is commonly utilized to check for bad timber on wooden vessels?

CM

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What method is commonly utilized to check for bad timber on wooden
vessels?


The "Jack London" pen knife test. Push the pen knife into the timber or
planking with the flat of the palm. If the blade enters the wood more
than 1/8 inch before your palm hurts, she's not worth a damn.
Move along little doggy!

Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY

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I've got a 28oz waffle-faced finishing hammer!

Very nice, I suppose, but the plastic handle of a screw driver works
perfectly fine for sounding the hull.

Actually, having used both, the hammer works better.

RB

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
What method is commonly utilized to check for bad timber on wooden
vessels?


The "Jack London" pen knife test. Push the pen knife into the timber or
planking with the flat of the palm. If the blade enters the wood more
than 1/8 inch before your palm hurts, she's not worth a damn.
Move along little doggy!


Thank You.... now could you tell me the best method to remove black mold
from the headliner in a cabin?

CM

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Thank You.... now could you tell me the best method to remove black
mold
from the headliner in a cabin?


There are several varieties of mold that leave blackish marks. I've had
good luck using Clorox spray with bleach, BUT protect any other areas
as the bleach can leave light marks. If your headliner is fabric and
white you can try the same approach. Colored (tan) headliners are often
stained for good. Always spot test of course.

RB

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Once again great advise.

I was thinking about stripping the wax from the hull and topsides and
applying a new coat of wax next year. What equipment, process and products
would you recommend for this task?

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Thank You.... now could you tell me the best method to remove black
mold
from the headliner in a cabin?


There are several varieties of mold that leave blackish marks. I've had
good luck using Clorox spray with bleach, BUT protect any other areas
as the bleach can leave light marks. If your headliner is fabric and
white you can try the same approach. Colored (tan) headliners are often
stained for good. Always spot test of course.

RB

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was thinking about stripping the wax from the hull and topsides and
applying a new coat of wax next year. What equipment, process and
products
would you recommend for this task?

Well there are several marine wax removers you can buy and some folks
buy acetones and laquer thinners and the like to get their hulls
prepped. The condition of your hull is a factor. Is it painted? If so I
can't advise you properly. 3M makes a range of good wax/polish
compounds that work great. Some are more aggressive for older hulls.
Since they are also compound they are single step, you really don't
have to remove the old wax as it's ground away. You'll need a damp rag
to remove the residue as you work. It's also best to test to see if you
can get by with a less aggressive level and save more gel coat
thickness. Remember how thin that coat is! Believe it or not (and some
folks here have no clue) but many yards use medium sized grinders
fitted with 3M buffing wheels to wax and polish. They get the job done
fast, BUT they can also damage a hull and it's a BACKBREAKING job to
hold the grinder up compared to lighter dedicated polishers. Still, if
you take care and focus on the job, you'll go a lot faster with a
grinder. I've been told that some grinders are too fast, but the black
& decker models we use do a good job. This sort of project really does
vary boat to boat and some folks still will take the time to hand rub
compound into their hull. Bully for them, but too tedious for me. I
have to say that wax/polish is about the worst job there is. I now let
my yard do it for me with excellent results that last the whole season.
A waxed boat is slower! About a zillion people have a gazillion ideas
on how to best wax a boat...and most seem to work equally well.

RB

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Nobody that knows anything uses a grinder to polish gelcoat. Use a
real electric polisher. It spins at the right speed and won't ruin
gelcoat or burn wax. Jeeeezzzze what an idiot.

Ask the Surveyor-"was Boat Search"
 

Ice pick

"Capt.Mooron" wrote

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

I have a Phenolic
hammer. Look it up.

I've got a 28oz waffle-faced finishing hammer!

I propose a separate thread where we common sailors can ask the experts
like
yourself... questions regarding sail vessels and things nautical.

To begin....

What method is commonly utilized to check for bad timber on wooden
vessels?

CM

Ask the Surveyor-"was Boat Search"
 

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message

Ice pick

Please Bart..... although you have a vast knowledge of practical sailing
experience..... these questions are posed to "experts" and deal with
"survey" related issues as well as general "vessel condition and
assessment."

I think you should acquiese to Bob's superior knowledge in these matters.

CM

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Excellent Advise..... as usual!

I was considering placing a "waterline" groove just below my bootstripe to
facilitate maintaining an even line along the antifouling paint. I have seen
people place a small routered half round strike along the waterline. Do you
recommend this? What would be the best method to utilize? I have heard that
motorized router bits suggested . Can you give us any suggestions? Would a
water level work to mark the line?

CM

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
was thinking about stripping the wax from the hull and topsides and
applying a new coat of wax next year. What equipment, process and
products
would you recommend for this task?

Well there are several marine wax removers you can buy and some folks
buy acetones and laquer thinners and the like to get their hulls
prepped. The condition of your hull is a factor. Is it painted? If so I
can't advise you properly. 3M makes a range of good wax/polish
compounds that work great. Some are more aggressive for older hulls.
Since they are also compound they are single step, you really don't
have to remove the old wax as it's ground away. You'll need a damp rag
to remove the residue as you work. It's also best to test to see if you
can get by with a less aggressive level and save more gel coat
thickness. Remember how thin that coat is! Believe it or not (and some
folks here have no clue) but many yards use medium sized grinders
fitted with 3M buffing wheels to wax and polish. They get the job done
fast, BUT they can also damage a hull and it's a BACKBREAKING job to
hold the grinder up compared to lighter dedicated polishers. Still, if
you take care and focus on the job, you'll go a lot faster with a
grinder. I've been told that some grinders are too fast, but the black
& decker models we use do a good job. This sort of project really does
vary boat to boat and some folks still will take the time to hand rub
compound into their hull. Bully for them, but too tedious for me. I
have to say that wax/polish is about the worst job there is. I now let
my yard do it for me with excellent results that last the whole season.
A waxed boat is slower! About a zillion people have a gazillion ideas
on how to best wax a boat...and most seem to work equally well.

RB

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Please.... let us refrain from questioning the advise of experts. If Bob
says a grinder will work then I'm certain it will.....

CM

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
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Nobody that knows anything uses a grinder to polish gelcoat. Use a
real electric polisher. It spins at the right speed and won't ruin
gelcoat or burn wax. Jeeeezzzze what an idiot.

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What would be the best method to utilize? I have heard that
motorized router bits suggested


Never heard of motorized router bits. And I would never alter the hull
form in such a fashion. Tape off a proper line and be happy with that.

RB

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What would be the best method to utilize? I have heard that
motorized router bits suggested


Never heard of motorized router bits. And I would never alter the hull
form in such a fashion. Tape off a proper line and be happy with that.

RB

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Nobody that knows anything uses a grinder to polish gelcoat. Use a
real electric polisher. It spins at the right speed and won't ruin
gelcoat or burn wax. Jeeeezzzze what an idiot.


I've been working with more than 15 yards over the last 4 years and
they all use grinders. An electric polisher is a toy for cars and even
the heavy duty models are too slow for a business that's trying to
detail a dozen boats per day. Try calling Consolidated shipyard and see
what they use.
Loco, you really don't know much about the business of boats.

RB

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On 29 Oct 2005 03:42:10 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Nobody that knows anything uses a grinder to polish gelcoat. Use a
real electric polisher. It spins at the right speed and won't ruin
gelcoat or burn wax. Jeeeezzzze what an idiot.


I've been working with more than 15 yards over the last 4 years and
they all use grinders. An electric polisher is a toy for cars and even
the heavy duty models are too slow for a business that's trying to
detail a dozen boats per day. Try calling Consolidated shipyard and see
what they use.
Loco, you really don't know much about the business of boats.

RB


Well now I know he's nuts. Having both made and used grinders,
polishiers, sanders, I more than doubt that any one with good sense
would use a grinder to polish a boat. Too heavy, too aggresive,
single speed, non double acting, non random orbit, no bale handle.
Especially that B & D garbage.


Maybe it has to do with the requirement for good sense?

Frank

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Bob who? I don't know any Bob in here.

"Capt.Mooron" wrote

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message

Ice pick

Please Bart..... although you have a vast knowledge of practical sailing
experience..... these questions are posed to "experts" and deal with
"survey" related issues as well as general "vessel condition and
assessment."

I think you should acquiese to Bob's superior knowledge in these matters.

CM

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"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message

Bob who? I don't know any Bob in here.

That would be Captain Robert [Bob] Brody... our resident technical expert on
all things nautical.

I doubt there is a vessel ever built that Bob does not have detailed
knowledge of. He has just purchased a racer cruiser that can easily best
almost every vessel on this newsgroup... even though he has never raced a
boat nor won a trophy. That alone speaks volumes about his abilities in
vessel selection.

Please Bart... pay close attention to what Bob has to say here... he
normally charges for his services.

CM

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He has just purchased a racer cruiser that can easily best
almost every vessel on this newsgroup... even though he has never raced
a
boat nor won a trophy. That alone speaks volumes about his abilities in

vessel selection.


Quite right. And unless someone here has taken their boat across the
Atlantic, I have no more respect for you than I would for a lake
sailor. You don't need to win races to own a fast boat, as Mooron
correctly points out. You can just enjoy a more spirited ride and
there's no doubt that my 35s5 will best most of the boats on the group
handily. In fact I can let Suzanne singlehand the 35s5 and she'd still
beat most of you.
It's a superior design and quite fast. I believe the only boats that
could compete are Donal's first series and I seem to recall Bart having
something lean and fast. The rest of you have made pretty sad boat
picks.
And that's a fact.

Robert B
Beneteau 35s5
NY