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OzOne wrote in message

Sure you can, but Bubbles was asking about it's use with a GPS.

GPS - Dynamic Waypoint
Compass - Static Waypoint
IOW.....
A GPS will only provide bearing between waypoints, this of course requires
movement. A compass will give you bearing from a fixed point.

CM

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
You had better have a charting GPS on board when your chart gets blown
overboard
in that squall! Anyone who relies on just paper charts is a fool. And god
forbid
somebody falls with the winch handle in thier hand and smashes the
compass!

Bwahahahahahahahahaha...... Jax is that you?

CM

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In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
On 19 Oct 2005 15:37:43 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
You're joking, right?
A commercial boat recently ran aground when their
electronics went out. They had no paper charts.

You're living outer space if you think even 75% of boaters are carrying
paper charts anymore, but I was referring to actual use of them. I love
Doug's comment about hand compasses, so obviously a hand bearing
compass and I hope he has one...but I doubt it.

It's just highly recommended for rec boaters. Electronics can fail. Of
course, it's highly recommended that people not be over weight and
watch their cholesterol levels, but I bet 75% of people don't do that
either.


You had better have a charting GPS on board when your chart gets blown overboard
in that squall! Anyone who relies on just paper charts is a fool. And god forbid
somebody falls with the winch handle in thier hand and smashes the compass!

Are you really that stupid or are you just fooling?

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

And suppose your binacle fails or is broken?

Binnacle compass fails???


I guess you'll just pick up the cell phone!

The spare compass?


CM

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In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
On 19 Oct 2005 15:26:46 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

In article gGz5f.8240$Yk6.2098@trnddc01, NotPony wrote:
You're joking, right?
A commercial boat recently ran aground when their
electronics went out. They had no paper charts.
Both the captain and the owner were held
responsible.
You should ask if there is anyone foolish enough
not to carry a paper chart.
S.

Here's an even better one... when was the last time you updated your
charts with the local notice to mariners?

I download the updates every couple of weeks to my charting software. I print
out fresh paper charts as needed.

But what do you do if you hit your head on the notebook lid when you
try to open it, then reel back in shock and your handheld gps flies
out of your hand? Then, as you over-react again, reeling forward,
knock your head on your binnacle and smash the compass? Then what do
you do? Huh? Huh? At least my paper charts will float long enough for
me to do an MOB on them.

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
The U.S. Navy is phasing out paper charts.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha......... Hoo Boy!

CM

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote
You had better have a charting GPS on board when your chart gets blown
overboard
in that squall! Anyone who relies on just paper charts is a fool. And god
forbid
somebody falls with the winch handle in thier hand and smashes the
compass!




John Cairns wrote:
Bwahahhahahaahhahahhahhahaahhahahhaahhahahaha


Yep, happens all the time.

DSK

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message Really? That
will be news to many thousands of fishermen who find their favorite
spot by taking bearings off a couple of landmarks on shore! They know
exactly
where they are using nothing but a handheld compass.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha....... I bet you thank the gods that breathing is a
reflexive action each and every day don't you!? Did you actually engage any
brain cells prior to whipping off that latest indication of your mental
incapacity?

CM

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:7AB5f.37729$S4.33233@edtnps84...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

And suppose your binacle fails or is broken?

Binnacle compass fails???

Bob thinks they run on batteries, just like his router bits.

Scotty

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
Garmin GPSMAP76s has a compass. You can even configure the unit so the
compass
automatically takes over when you have been below "X" speed for "X"
seconds.

Then it's a Fluxgate Compass on a GPS Receiver... GPS cannot give you
compass directions without movement. Deal with it.

CM

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He's a total retard Mooron.

It's BB...remember the guy making death wishes. He wore out his welcome
as BB, tried Rusty Red Cloud for a while.

I think by using my name, and boat name, and professional title he is
deluded into thinking someone might respect his nautical knowledge.. He
would do alot better if he just used my stuff...then STFU.

Joe

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--
"Swab Rob" stupidly wrote
I very seldom need my GPS, usually at night. Mostly use
piloting

Uh, yeah. If you use a GPS it's not piloting!!!

Uh, no ****, asshole. Read my post again.

Take a few days and get back to us.

SBV

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:7AB5f.37729$S4.33233@edtnps84...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

And suppose your binacle fails or is broken?

Binnacle compass fails???

Bob thinks they run on batteries, just like his router bits.

Didn't Bob have the last one replaced when the light wouldn't turn on!!??

Well at least he doesn't drink like Binary Bill and stumble around his
cockpit failing with a winch handle and smashing his compass all the time.

CM

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Seems like he's gotten under your skin like a chigger..... may I suggest
"The Art of War" as your next read?

Binary Bill has become small, petty and malicious. He is his own worst
enemy.

CM

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
He's a total retard Mooron.

It's BB...remember the guy making death wishes. He wore out his welcome
as BB, tried Rusty Red Cloud for a while.

I think by using my name, and boat name, and professional title he is
deluded into thinking someone might respect his nautical knowledge.. He
would do alot better if he just used my stuff...then STFU.

Joe

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Binary Bill has become small, petty and malicious. He is his own worst
enemy.


You're as paranoid as you are pavlovian. Bill no longer posts here in
any capacity. He has left the building.


RB

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
I don't have to deal with it, because I own a GPS that has an integrated
fluxgate compass. It also has integrated charts, and an integrated
altimeter.

Fine... I have a radar with integrated GPS and Fluxgate Compass. It was you
who said it was a GPS... not an integrated navigational system. Can you spot
the difference here Bill .... or am I going too fast for you?

They all work together as one. If I ask you to hand me my GPS, you have to
hand
me the compass, altimeter and charts with it. As the Buddists would say,
they
are ONE.

You quoting Buddhist Philosiphy??? Bwahahahahahaha.

Bill... please leave the serious navigational discussion to people who have
more experience than a daysailor on a small boat in a harbour touting latest
gizmo.

CM

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Binary Bill has become small, petty and malicious. He is his own worst

enemy.

Yeah I just let him squawk like the spineless retard he is.

So hows the weather up your way?


CM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
You're as paranoid as you are pavlovian. Bill no longer posts here in
any capacity. He has left the building.

H-m-m-m-m-m...care to reconsider that statement Bob? Are you claiming puppet
master status here? Has the person who now posts as "*/*Redcloud" not stated
exactly the same vessel, location and claims of one Binary Bill? I've been
gone for a long time but this was discussed a while ago before I got booted
from my ISP by Ganz.

I based my assessment on the evidence presented. I haven't seen anything
from this poster to alter that conclusion. Petty, Small and Malicious.....
did I miss Vindictive?

If you have any information to submit which would alter my viewpoint...
please fell free to produce it. No need to get offensive about it.

CM

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"Joe" wrote in message

So hows the weather up your way?

17c today, sunny, leaves are turning. Fall is here.

Just got a Staffordshire Bull Terrier Puppy and will be getting a Schipperke
Puppy in a few months. Both dogs like the water and boats.

CM

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Capt.Mooron wrote:
Then it's a Fluxgate Compass on a GPS Receiver...

Yep.

... GPS cannot give you
compass directions without movement. Deal with it.


Yes, it can. Deal with it.

http://www.mx-marine.com/downloads/m...nual_rev12.pdf

Scroll down to page 10, where it explains that this unit is two GPS
receivers in a fixed mount (it also has a gyro "in case of GPS signal
blockage).

There is a similar suitcase-sized instrument for surveyors, but I can't
find a link to one.

DSK

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In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:46:58 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"
wrote:


"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
Garmin GPSMAP76s has a compass. You can even configure the unit so the
compass
automatically takes over when you have been below "X" speed for "X"
seconds.

Then it's a Fluxgate Compass on a GPS Receiver... GPS cannot give you
compass directions without movement. Deal with it.

CM


I don't have to deal with it, because I own a GPS that has an integrated
fluxgate compass. It also has integrated charts, and an integrated altimeter.
They all work together as one. If I ask you to hand me my GPS, you have to hand
me the compass, altimeter and charts with it. As the Buddists would say, they
are ONE.

And, it'll be the one you'll be crying about when you run aground,
because you lost it over the side.


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In article HkC5f.37773$S4.734@edtnps84,
Capt.Mooron wrote:

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
You're as paranoid as you are pavlovian. Bill no longer posts here in
any capacity. He has left the building.

H-m-m-m-m-m...care to reconsider that statement Bob? Are you claiming puppet
master status here? Has the person who now posts as "*/*Redcloud" not stated
exactly the same vessel, location and claims of one Binary Bill? I've been
gone for a long time but this was discussed a while ago before I got booted
from my ISP by Ganz.

I based my assessment on the evidence presented. I haven't seen anything
from this poster to alter that conclusion. Petty, Small and Malicious.....
did I miss Vindictive?

If you have any information to submit which would alter my viewpoint...
please fell free to produce it. No need to get offensive about it.

I was wondering when you would bring up that tired old horse. I don't
work for your ISP.





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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Capt.Mooron wrote:
Then it's a Fluxgate Compass on a GPS Receiver...

Yep.

... GPS cannot give you compass directions without movement. Deal with
it.


Yes, it can. Deal with it.

http://www.mx-marine.com/downloads/m...nual_rev12.pdf

Scroll down to page 10, where it explains that this unit is two GPS
receivers in a fixed mount (it also has a gyro "in case of GPS signal
blockage).

The link seems to get blocked.... anyway if two GPS Recievers are
comunicating data you effectively have replicated " 2 waypoints"... or
"movement"..... after that it's a matter of calcs. I was referencing a
single GPS Reciever.


There is a similar suitcase-sized instrument for surveyors, but I can't
find a link to one.

There are several types. again it's remote receivers communicating with the
base unit. A single receiver can NOT give you bearing without alternate
input. You cannot point a single GPS to a bearing from a static position.
That's a fact Doug. Deal with it. :-)

BTW- don't let my years of experience in Total Station and GPS Survey curb
your opinion of my statements! :-)
You are aware of course that climatic conditions affect accuracy on GPS
Survey Receivers. You cannot get better than centimetre vertical accuracy on
dynamic receivers and Static Collectors are left for hours to download and
average data.

CM

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Capt.Mooron wrote:
The link seems to get blocked....

That's a shame, it's an interesting gizmo.


... anyway if two GPS Recievers are
comunicating data you effectively have replicated " 2 waypoints"... or
"movement"..... after that it's a matter of calcs. I was referencing a
single GPS Reciever.


Sure, but you didn't *say* that.


There is a similar suitcase-sized instrument for surveyors, but I can't
find a link to one.


There are several types. again it's remote receivers communicating with the
base unit. A single receiver can NOT give you bearing without alternate
input.

Agreed.
Unless it's moving, in which case it "looks backwards" and uses those
pesky calculations again to derive heading.



That's a fact Doug. Deal with it. :-)


I have, many times.
Deal with it!

BTW- don't let my years of experience in Total Station and GPS Survey curb
your opinion of my statements! :-)

Not at all. You made an incorrect statement, probably an oversight by
not being quite technical enough. It's OK, nobody expects you to write a
book on how GPS works, and all the things it can (or can't) do, for the
benefit of a cretin like Bubbles/bitty-bill.

You are aware of course that climatic conditions affect accuracy on GPS
Survey Receivers.

Of course. It's a radio receiver, after all.

... You cannot get better than centimetre vertical accuracy on
dynamic receivers

Is that with optimum constellation geometry? I should think some of the
fancy wave interpolation antennae units could do better than that, but I
don't know (they're a bit out of my field & price range).

... and Static Collectors are left for hours to download and
average data.


You can do that with a small hand held too, if you've the patience for it.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message

Not at all. You made an incorrect statement, probably an oversight by not
being quite technical enough. It's OK, nobody expects you to write a book
on how GPS works, and all the things it can (or can't) do, for the benefit
of a cretin like Bubbles/bitty-bill.

I prefer to assumed you misinterpreted my statement.... but let's not
quibble!.... I thought I was wrong once... turned out I was mistaken. :-)

Is that with optimum constellation geometry? I should think some of the
fancy wave interpolation antennae units could do better than that, but I
don't know (they're a bit out of my field & price range).

Simple cloud cover will greatly affect accuracy on our units. No matter what
the optimum accuracy potential is... the end result will be affected by
climatic conditions. One of our site units costs 80K. We had a 2 million
dollar unit shooting ball targets to verify 5 mm accuracy. It failed to
produce the accuracy and tolerences required.

CM

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I have a Schipperke, ......remember you jumped my ass about cut off
tails?
My Dog Skipper is the best! Be ready .....they like to keep you quite
busy.
You will never have a more loyal dog.

Joe

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote

I was wondering when you would bring up that tired old horse. I
'm
getting horny.


That's another thread, Jon.

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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:57:31 GMT, "Capt.Mooron"

wrote:

Binary Bill has become small, petty and malicious. He is his own worst
enemy.

Guy Aerts, professional dumb****


Whatever

Bwahahahahahahaaa.... Oh Billy! Petty Ole' Bean... very petty! You just
don't get it do you? Go ahead... be as petty as you wish, be malicious and
vindictive. It's not as if you had a well stocked arsenal of wit at your
disposal... I know you long to be the "Bad Boy" that is admired within
public circles.... it's just rather unfortunate that you are incapable of
differentiating between good taste and poor judgement. I bet that goblin has
followed you all your life.

CM

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Bwahahahahahahaaa.... Oh Billy!


Billy? This is like Doug thinking I have sockpuppets. Scary.


RB

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"Capt. Rob" wrote
How many of you rely on your GPS without consulting charts these days?
How many of you back that up by using a handheld compass?....

I do. I use charts to plan cuz it's easier for me. Then I use a PC to plot
courses which I load into my cockpit GPS, which then provides a continuous
display of current position relative to plan, hazards, depth, et al and
automatically scrolls. Makes "driving" the boat a snap. The boat has a
compass that I steer by (tacks may criss-cross the planned course shown on
the GPS). I keep a laptop connected to a separate GPS in the cabin for
backup and a bigger picture than the GPS screen provides plus charts on the
Nav desk to note interesting data for future use, but I do not maintain
current track on charts. My health limits us to day sails, and not even
that lately - were we taking longer trips I'd update the charts every few
hours just for drill. I've checked GPS position against charted position of
bouys, et cetera, and found it always within a few yards - mucho better than
I can do using a compass to triangulate position but y'all good sailors
prolly have better results than I.

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Whatever BB

Joe
Captain Of RedCloud

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In article ,
Scotty wrote:
I was wondering when you would bring up that tired old horse. I
'm
getting horny.


That's another thread, Jon.


You're getting horney? Talk to Rusty.



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garmin has some great units...