Ugh ......... we don't know that. What rig is in the boat? What keel?

There's about a 25 second per mile difference between those boats
depending on what it has.

Tall rig with wing, currently rated 120 in his area. Most tall rigs had
the deep keel. I expect a rating around 123 or 125 here. He's owned
both versions and found the wing is faster on some tacks and showed a
tiny pointing deficit. Downwind, the wing is slower. Then again I'm
getting a boat with a inventory of mylar sails that you'd never own.
They're recent, rated between 8 & 9 by the local loft and cost just
under 10K (genoa, jib and main) in 2003. The dacron stuff aboard is
also in very good shape and the spin is new. Sorry, Loco. She's going
to be a lot of fun. And boat for boat I'll pass any Depress 30 of
course! Then, back at the slip I'll flip on the theatre system, emjoy
the cool AC and watch the sun go down...on the 20 inch LCD TV!!! Good
times for us and of course we could care less about racing...just out
for some fun sailing on a comfortable boat...with a swim platform, huge
cockpit and beautiful interior! Fun, fun, fun!
And it's KILLING YOU!!!! I think it already knocked a few years off
Scotty's sad life. Good night, sad little boy with the sad little 30
footer!

RB

Hey Capt. Rob! Have you any insurance on your new boat? Better get it
outta Tampa before this week-end. Looks like Wilma might pay a
visit to the Florida west coast.

CN


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...
| Ugh ......... we don't know that. What rig is in the boat? What keel?
|
| There's about a 25 second per mile difference between those boats
| depending on what it has.
|
| Tall rig with wing, currently rated 120 in his area. Most tall rigs had
| the deep keel. I expect a rating around 123 or 125 here. He's owned
| both versions and found the wing is faster on some tacks and showed a
| tiny pointing deficit. Downwind, the wing is slower. Then again I'm
| getting a boat with a inventory of mylar sails that you'd never own.
| They're recent, rated between 8 & 9 by the local loft and cost just
| under 10K (genoa, jib and main) in 2003. The dacron stuff aboard is
| also in very good shape and the spin is new. Sorry, Loco. She's going
| to be a lot of fun. And boat for boat I'll pass any Depress 30 of
| course! Then, back at the slip I'll flip on the theatre system, emjoy
| the cool AC and watch the sun go down...on the 20 inch LCD TV!!! Good
| times for us and of course we could care less about racing...just out
| for some fun sailing on a comfortable boat...with a swim platform, huge
| cockpit and beautiful interior! Fun, fun, fun!
| And it's KILLING YOU!!!! I think it already knocked a few years off
| Scotty's sad life. Good night, sad little boy with the sad little 30
| footer!
|
| RB
|

Nutsy,

Don't sell your Wing Keel short to fast. Learn how to use it. She'll
tack upwind just fine. Just remember that you have to have a good flow
of water over the wing to make it work. A wing keel working properly up
wind will put your mast more upright, which will increase your working
sail area. Downwind, she should be as fast or faster if you watch your
hull trim (crew placement) With a good Wind, downwind it can act as a
hydrofoil. Remember Conners lost the lead to the Aussies Wing Keel on
the downward leg.

The "Old Time Puristist" see the keel as a weighted, wetted area
necessary to stop Leeway, never accepting the dynamics it adds to the
boat.

Learn to use the wing!! Hull trim is important; side to side and fore
and aft! It needs motion. Without movement it is only weight and wetted
area but so then is a deep fin keel.




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Downwind, she should be as fast or faster if you watch your hull
trim (crew placement) With a good Wind, downwind it can act as a
hydrofoil. Remember Conners lost the lead to the Aussies Wing Keel on
the downward leg.

A wing keel act as a hydrofoil on a displacement boat? In 70kts of
wind maybe. As far as comparing to a 12 meter AC boat pleaseeeeeeeeee.
There has never been a production boat that had a wing keel that
remotely resembled a 12 meter wing keel. The design concepts are not
even close. The design goals and functions are totally different.

Loco,

Yes!! A hydrofoil. A foil that will provide Lift. She'll not Lift clear
of the water as "Yellow Pages" does but will provide upward lift which
is a lighting force on the hull.

Loco, look at my wing in the attachment. It has a downward set to it to
help it point higher up wind. On downward we load the cockpit to get a
uplift on the hull to over come the downwind action of the sails.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma

Hey Capt. Rob! Have you any insurance on your new boat? Better get it
outta Tampa before this week-end. Looks like Wilma might pay a
visit to the Florida west coast.

CN


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com...
| Ugh ......... we don't know that. What rig is in the boat? What keel?
|
| There's about a 25 second per mile difference between those boats
| depending on what it has.
|
| Tall rig with wing, currently rated 120 in his area. Most tall rigs had
| the deep keel. I expect a rating around 123 or 125 here. He's owned
| both versions and found the wing is faster on some tacks and showed a
| tiny pointing deficit. Downwind, the wing is slower. Then again I'm
| getting a boat with a inventory of mylar sails that you'd never own.
| They're recent, rated between 8 & 9 by the local loft and cost just
| under 10K (genoa, jib and main) in 2003. The dacron stuff aboard is
| also in very good shape and the spin is new. Sorry, Loco. She's going
| to be a lot of fun. And boat for boat I'll pass any Depress 30 of
| course! Then, back at the slip I'll flip on the theatre system, emjoy
| the cool AC and watch the sun go down...on the 20 inch LCD TV!!! Good
| times for us and of course we could care less about racing...just out
| for some fun sailing on a comfortable boat...with a swim platform, huge
| cockpit and beautiful interior! Fun, fun, fun!
| And it's KILLING YOU!!!! I think it already knocked a few years off
| Scotty's sad life. Good night, sad little boy with the sad little 30
| footer!
|
| RB
|

Hey Capt. Rob! Have you any insurance on your new boat? Better get it
outta Tampa before this week-end. Looks like Wilma might pay a
visit to the Florida west coast.


We haven't closed yet, so no risk to us at all. It would suck if
something happened and we had to start over! Hope you don't get
clobbered.

RB

Then again I'm
getting a boat with a inventory of mylar sails that you'd never own.

More shoot from the hip comments. I hope you never get involved with
off track betting.

More shoot from the hip comments. I hope you never get involved with
off track betting.


What type of sails do you own? Are they nearly new mylar sails?


RB