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Hey Capt. Rob! Have you any insurance on your new boat? Better get it
outta Tampa before this week-end. Looks like Wilma might pay a
visit to the Florida west coast.


We haven't closed yet, so no risk to us at all. It would suck if
something happened and we had to start over! Hope you don't get
clobbered.

RB

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More shoot from the hip comments. I hope you never get involved with
off track betting.


What type of sails do you own? Are they nearly new mylar sails?


RB

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If you're trucking it up, please post pictures of her bottom. Did you
say she has a Wing Keel? Is she does, she'll do well in the Sound. A
wing keel and good bottom should get you to a lot of better anchorages
early.

That's right, Thom. We sought out the wing because of the Sound. I
spoke to a lot of owners and the loss of performance is very small. The
advantages of the shallow draft is well worth it. Her current owner
says the wing is faster on a close reach than his previous deep draft
and he can't tell the difference in pointing. He finds the wing slower
downwind.
You're welcome to come for a sail anytime.

RB

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Nutsy,

Don't sell your Wing Keel short to fast. Learn how to use it. She'll
tack upwind just fine. Just remember that you have to have a good flow
of water over the wing to make it work. A wing keel working properly up
wind will put your mast more upright, which will increase your working
sail area. Downwind, she should be as fast or faster if you watch your
hull trim (crew placement) With a good Wind, downwind it can act as a
hydrofoil. Remember Conners lost the lead to the Aussies Wing Keel on
the downward leg.

The "Old Time Puristist" see the keel as a weighted, wetted area
necessary to stop Leeway, never accepting the dynamics it adds to the
boat.

Learn to use the wing!! Hull trim is important; side to side and fore
and aft! It needs motion. Without movement it is only weight and wetted
area but so then is a deep fin keel.




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Not if the boat is designed with good reserve bouyancy in the aft
sections.


Capt.Mooron wrote:
Well that's the ringer isn't it? A sugar scoop would lend to waterline ...
but not nessecarily to boyancy


Not necessarily waterline either. But a major feature of a boat, like an
open transom (not the same thing as a sugar scoop), *must* be in
accordance with the rest of the design. Most racier boats with open
transoms happen to have pretty wide, bouyant stern sections. Not
necessarily a coincidence.


I disagree strongly. In fact, having sailed many open transom boats in
pretty good seas, I can remember very few times having water come in
astern. And those times were in waves steep enough (or breaking) that they
would have washed over top of any transom (or pointy stern) too.


Now there rears the head of the Dragon of Reserve Buoyancy.
I would take issue with that statement having experienced both types of
vessels in comparitive situations.


It may be that you're not looking back enough ;)
I know that of the few times I've had water come into an open transom
boat from following seas, it's been when the seas were rather steep
and/or breaking, and stand by the assertion that most of them would have
rolled right in over a transom, too. Especially one without much reserve
bouyancy aft.



In fact, the one boat I've sailed a lot and is mentionable as having a
tendency to stick her stern into following seas is an old classic
counter-stern sloop. Elegant, and from the looks of that long overhang
you'd think she'd lift readily to waves from astern. But that turned out
not to eb the case. A great boat in many other respects though, and
beautiful enough to be forgiven this flaw... besides, she also had the
classic small cockpit...


More Reserve bouyancy than a sugar scoop??


Well, this was also a rather narrow & heavy boat. Reserve bouyancy is
relative to the overall displacement, and also to the moment of inertia.
A heavy boat, especially one with a lot of weight in the ends, will need
more reserve bouyancy to gain the same lift to following seas.


Although I agree with the base contention... mitigating factors are always a
reality.
Sea states can be vary with seasonal conditions. I sail in unprotected
waters... for the most part.
Steep short seas with breaking tops are common. So are 40ft+ waves entering
my harbour. Doug... those are a steep climb.


Sure. But OTOH a lighter boat with a more powerful rig ought to be able
to get up & over those waves easier. One disadvantage is that they tend
to get thrown to leeward by breaking crests, which means the boat must
be cleverly sailed to avoid that; but IMHO that's not the most
overriding factor. It suggests unless the skipper in the picture is not
using the right sailing techniques to minimize his disadvantage(s) and
maximize his advantages. Of course, I could be wrong... nah, I couldn't ;)


Hell, I've raced some lightweight flyers that broached under spinnaker
every 5 minutes, and still hit 18 knots and passed boats on the run.


I'm certain you have Doug.......

It's fun, especially on somebody else's boat... You'd love it!


I like my boat Doug....... :-)

I like it too, and I've never even seen it in person.
BTW did I ever send you any pictures of the Vancouver 36 in our marina?
Very similar boat, at first I thought it was a bigger Nordica.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"DSK" wrote in message
I like it too, and I've never even seen it in person.
BTW did I ever send you any pictures of the Vancouver 36 in our marina?
Very similar boat, at first I thought it was a bigger Nordica.

Yes.... the Vancouvers are very nice vessels. Another vessel I really liked
was the Cabo Rico 38. I chartered one in Eluethra for 3 weeks.

CM

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Downwind, she should be as fast or faster if you watch your hull
trim (crew placement) With a good Wind, downwind it can act as a
hydrofoil. Remember Conners lost the lead to the Aussies Wing Keel on
the downward leg.

A wing keel act as a hydrofoil on a displacement boat? In 70kts of
wind maybe. As far as comparing to a 12 meter AC boat pleaseeeeeeeeee.
There has never been a production boat that had a wing keel that
remotely resembled a 12 meter wing keel. The design concepts are not
even close. The design goals and functions are totally different.

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Loco,

Yes!! A hydrofoil. A foil that will provide Lift. She'll not Lift clear
of the water as "Yellow Pages" does but will provide upward lift which
is a lighting force on the hull.

Loco, look at my wing in the attachment. It has a downward set to it to
help it point higher up wind. On downward we load the cockpit to get a
uplift on the hull to over come the downwind action of the sails.




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Capt. Rob wrote:
non existant. I can't find a boat that suzzi likes enough to buy
for me.

RB