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Faster than Mooron's, Scotty's, Jeff's, Stevie's, Loco's, Katy's,
Joe's, Neal's and so on!!! Whooo hooo! RB |
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It's not faster than mine.
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... Faster than Mooron's, Scotty's, Jeff's, Stevie's, Loco's, Katy's, Joe's, Neal's and so on!!! Whooo hooo! RB |
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Dont think so Rob, RedCloud can do a steady 9 knots for weeks on end.
I hear your mass produced boat can only do 6 maybe 7 knots. My shower and head is bigger, we have more headroom, more AC, larger galley,more sail, larger cockpit, dependable shaft driven steering that provides more feedback, sleeps 8 adults in comfort, large galley table that can seat 8, finer mahogany interior with a better fit and craftsmanship, Nicer WWII US Navy issued 24 hr face Chealsea Clock and matching barometer, Generator, More fuel, cleaner and more water, a lazzeret, a nicer wheel, autopilot, Solar cells, holding tank, safer on deck, better firefighting equipment, larger Home theater and louder better sounding sound equipment, Air Compressor with high volume tank, air horns, forward looking sonar, sextant, radios, and will out last your production boat by a 100 years. But I still like your boat, it's a nice looking little day sailor. Should do good in protected waters, Lil thomas has a nice boat to learn on now. What I do not understand is why you do not jump into the gulf stream and sail her home, nothing more rewarding then a long offshore passage with your new boat. Joe |
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Nor mine.
In article . net, Bob Crantz wrote: It's not faster than mine. "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Faster than Mooron's, Scotty's, Jeff's, Stevie's, Loco's, Katy's, Joe's, Neal's and so on!!! Whooo hooo! RB -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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What I do not understand is why you do not jump into the gulf stream
and sail her home, nothing more rewarding then a long offshore passage with your new boat. I'd love to, and I have a few friends begging me to do it. The problem is that Suzanne is working and we have Thomas, who's 13 months old. Suzanne works nights. It's just not possible for me to be gone for two weeks and of little financial advantage either. I'm sure I'm missing out, but the timing is all wrong. RB |
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There was a couple here from England a few years ago, they had a
Whitbred ketch. They also crossed the atlantic with a 9 mo old daughter, they are currently cruising the islands south of Florida. All you need is a nice hammock swinging from the overhead. Those spring loaded bouncy chairs hanging from your bimini work well to. Yelp, Your both missing out big time. Delivery trips have always been my favorite trips. Joe |
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Faster than Mooron's, Scotty's, Jeff's, Stevie's, Loco's, Katy's,
Joe's, Neal's and so on!!! Ugh ......... we don't know that. What rig is in the boat? What keel? There's about a 25 second per mile difference between those boats depending on what it has. Now I know you know what interior is in it but ................. |
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I would certainly hope your vessel is faster than mine..... in the harbour!
Let's go play in a big sea way and see how she handles with that sugar scoop transom! :-) CM "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... Faster than Mooron's, Scotty's, Jeff's, Stevie's, Loco's, Katy's, Joe's, Neal's and so on!!! Whooo hooo! RB |
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would certainly hope your vessel is faster than mine..... in the
harbour! Let's go play in a big sea way and see how she handles with that sugar scoop transom! :-) I think the 35s5 will still be faster, but I might turn bright green around the gills proving it! RB |
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You mean bright green around your blow-hole!
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... would certainly hope your vessel is faster than mine..... in the harbour! Let's go play in a big sea way and see how she handles with that sugar scoop transom! :-) I think the 35s5 will still be faster, but I might turn bright green around the gills proving it! RB |
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combined?
-- "Swab Rob" wrote Fatter than Mooron's, Scotty's, Jeff's, Stevie's, Loco's, Katy's, Joe's, Neal's and so on!!! Booo hooo! RB |
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More like yellow, in the slip.
-- "Swab Rob" wrote would certainly hope your vessel is faster than mine..... in the harbour! Let's go play in a big sea way and see how she handles with that sugar scoop transom! :-) I think the 35s5 will still be faster, but I might turn bright green around the gills proving it! |
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I'd rather have a slow 'real' boat than a fast imaginary one any
day. Scotty "rgnmstr" wrote in message oups.com... Faster than Mooron's, Scotty's, Jeff's, Stevie's, Loco's, Katy's, Joe's, Neal's and so on!!! Ugh ......... we don't know that. What rig is in the boat? What keel? There's about a 25 second per mile difference between those boats depending on what it has. Now I know you know what interior is in it but ................. |
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-- "Swab Rob" wrote The problem is that Suzanne is working and we have Thomas, who's 13 months old. Suzanne works nights. It's just not possible for me to be gone for two weeks BWAHahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahah funniest, lamest thing I've read all year! Hoo Haa Scotty |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... would certainly hope your vessel is faster than mine..... in the harbour! Let's go play in a big sea way and see how she handles with that sugar scoop transom! :-) I think the 35s5 will still be faster, but I might turn bright green around the gills proving it! Would be fun to try though. I've sailed in heavy sea states with a few larger, light to moderate displacement boats and found Overproof really has no problem maintaining pace with the larger boats. I don't know if it's the mass or design... but she maintains a steady speed under a larger canvas and is well mannered in even the roughest seas. The easier your vessel handles a rough sea the less taxing it is on the crew..... but again that only matters if that is where you sail. Remember Bob..... fast is nice, but seriously.... we're talking a few knots which only matter if you are racing..... and you won't be racing with the little one aboard. I think it's a nice design for what you have in mind. I'd like to see how it compares to the Niagara 35. I raced against one several times in Charity Races and beat them 2 out of 3 with a line honours on one race. [Qualifier- down wind in 36 knots gusting to 45+... Overproof was the only vessel in the fleet capable of sailing dead down wind with full canvas. Everyone else had to broad reach, reefed hard.] Good Luck with the boat. CM |
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"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:32:47 GMT, "Scotty" wrote: I'd rather have a slow 'real' boat than a fast imaginary one any day. Scotty Your wish is granted! Are you a fairy? |
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Scotty wrote:
I'd rather have a slow 'real' boat than a fast imaginary one any day. Yeah, but that's because you have a real life in the real world. DSK |
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"DSK" wrote in message ... Scotty wrote: I'd rather have a slow 'real' boat than a fast imaginary one any day. Yeah, but that's because you have a real life in the real world. DSK Damn Doug, I thought this was the real world. Shoulda taken the blue pill. John Cairns |
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Capt.Mooron wrote:
Let's go play in a big sea way and see how she handles with that sugar scoop transom! :-) Why would a 'sugar scoop' transom be a problem in a seaway, given mostly-competent design & construction of the boat? "Capt. Rob" wrote I think the 35s5 will still be faster, but I might turn bright green around the gills proving it! Would be fun to try though. I've sailed in heavy sea states with a few larger, light to moderate displacement boats and found Overproof really has no problem maintaining pace with the larger boats. That's because they were either not fast boats to begin with, or because they were incompetently sailed. On it's best day, your boat is going to have a very hard time putting in 200+ miles days, which should be easily achievable with a racier boat in good driving conditions. When it gets up to survival conditions, your boat probably does have edge. ... The easier your vessel handles a rough sea the less taxing it is on the crew..... but again that only matters if that is where you sail. Ageed. Remember Bob..... fast is nice, but seriously.... we're talking a few knots which only matter if you are racing..... And not even then if you have a fair handicap. ... and you won't be racing with the little one aboard. Or at all, really. But there's no reason why a *good* sailing family wouldn't include toddlers on board. I've seen it done fairly often. ..I think it's a nice design for what you have in mind. I'd like to see how it compares to the Niagara 35. I raced against one several times in Charity Races and beat them 2 out of 3 with a line honours on one race. [Qualifier- down wind in 36 knots gusting to 45+... Overproof was the only vessel in the fleet capable of sailing dead down wind with full canvas. Everyone else had to broad reach, reefed hard.] Would you call a Niagra 35 a "light to moderate displacement" boat? It's SA/D is a whopping 16 and the D/L is 350! Very nice boat, but hardly what anybody is going to consider "racy." As for going DDW in a blow, it can be done... and is done... pretty regularly by good racing crews, unless it's faster to reach. Shucks, I've raced Lightnings and 470s, including a few memorable spinnaker runs, in winds north of 40 knots. It's fun! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Suzanne works nights so she won't have to sleep with me.
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Ugh ......... we don't know that. What rig is in the boat? What keel?
There's about a 25 second per mile difference between those boats depending on what it has. Tall rig with wing, currently rated 120 in his area. Most tall rigs had the deep keel. I expect a rating around 123 or 125 here. He's owned both versions and found the wing is faster on some tacks and showed a tiny pointing deficit. Downwind, the wing is slower. Then again I'm getting a boat with a inventory of mylar sails that you'd never own. They're recent, rated between 8 & 9 by the local loft and cost just under 10K (genoa, jib and main) in 2003. The dacron stuff aboard is also in very good shape and the spin is new. Sorry, Loco. She's going to be a lot of fun. And boat for boat I'll pass any Depress 30 of course! Then, back at the slip I'll flip on the theatre system, emjoy the cool AC and watch the sun go down...on the 20 inch LCD TV!!! Good times for us and of course we could care less about racing...just out for some fun sailing on a comfortable boat...with a swim platform, huge cockpit and beautiful interior! Fun, fun, fun! And it's KILLING YOU!!!! I think it already knocked a few years off Scotty's sad life. Good night, sad little boy with the sad little 30 footer! RB |
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I'd rather have a slow 'real' boat than a fast imaginary one any
day. I'd rather have both...and I do. RB |
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Dont think so Rob, RedCloud can do a steady 9 knots for weeks on
end. 35s5's have been able to go faster than 9 knots. She'll also point higher and accelerate faster. Nothing wrong with your boat, Joe. I like it just fine, but it's another animal entirely. RB |
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"DSK" wrote in message Why would a 'sugar scoop' transom be a problem in a seaway, given mostly-competent design & construction of the boat? Well... it's a fgree entry point for inwash. Not a terrible thing if you have proper watertight companionway fittings and will drain as easily as it fills .... but still the design allows much more water into the cockpit than the standard enclosed type. That's because they were either not fast boats to begin with, or because they were incompetently sailed. Well that would assume my competency and the assumption the other vessels were crewed by incompetents. I doubt that was the case Doug. I attribute it to the facility of my vessel in rough seas. They seemed to "pound" much more to windward. They also seemed to lack momentum to overcome the sea state. On it's best day, your boat is going to have a very hard time putting in 200+ miles days, which should be easily achievable with a racier boat in good driving conditions. I can maintain an easy 7 knots in good winds, even in roughest seas. Some of the other vessels can surpass that ... but not continuously for long durations. That may be my boat's advantage. Would you call a Niagra 35 a "light to moderate displacement" boat? It's SA/D is a whopping 16 and the D/L is 350! Very nice boat, but hardly what anybody is going to consider "racy." It's a much larger vessel..... I don't know enough about racing to know if it's that fast or not. It has taken a lot of races in Yellowknife. As for going DDW in a blow, it can be done... and is done... pretty regularly by good racing crews, unless it's faster to reach. Shucks, I've raced Lightnings and 470s, including a few memorable spinnaker runs, in winds north of 40 knots. It's fun! I met with the Captains after the race... none to a man would have dared try that with their boats except for one really competitive racer... he dropped a reef and changed headsails to catch up... he broached. Everyone was amazed at the downwind tracking ability of my boat. She was a dream to sail during that race and never taxed the crew. Boats ranged form a C&C27 to a Frasier 42. the Contessa 32s couldn't even qualify to be within reach of me and the Niagara 35 was 2 miles behind when I crossed the line. They Niagara finished 2nd. place. I can't match a fin keeler on harbour races... my vessel isn't designed for that. Given the proper conditions.... it can achieve it's potential and that will outstrip some racing designs. Overall it's a comfortable vessel with an adequate turn of speed. It's forgiving and well mannered. CM |
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Hey Capt. Rob! Have you any insurance on your new boat? Better get it
outta Tampa before this week-end. Looks like Wilma might pay a visit to the Florida west coast. CN "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... | Ugh ......... we don't know that. What rig is in the boat? What keel? | | There's about a 25 second per mile difference between those boats | depending on what it has. | | Tall rig with wing, currently rated 120 in his area. Most tall rigs had | the deep keel. I expect a rating around 123 or 125 here. He's owned | both versions and found the wing is faster on some tacks and showed a | tiny pointing deficit. Downwind, the wing is slower. Then again I'm | getting a boat with a inventory of mylar sails that you'd never own. | They're recent, rated between 8 & 9 by the local loft and cost just | under 10K (genoa, jib and main) in 2003. The dacron stuff aboard is | also in very good shape and the spin is new. Sorry, Loco. She's going | to be a lot of fun. And boat for boat I'll pass any Depress 30 of | course! Then, back at the slip I'll flip on the theatre system, emjoy | the cool AC and watch the sun go down...on the 20 inch LCD TV!!! Good | times for us and of course we could care less about racing...just out | for some fun sailing on a comfortable boat...with a swim platform, huge | cockpit and beautiful interior! Fun, fun, fun! | And it's KILLING YOU!!!! I think it already knocked a few years off | Scotty's sad life. Good night, sad little boy with the sad little 30 | footer! | | RB | |
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Hey Capt. Rob! Have you any insurance on your new boat? Better get it
outta Tampa before this week-end. Looks like Wilma might pay a visit to the Florida west coast. CN "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... | Ugh ......... we don't know that. What rig is in the boat? What keel? | | There's about a 25 second per mile difference between those boats | depending on what it has. | | Tall rig with wing, currently rated 120 in his area. Most tall rigs had | the deep keel. I expect a rating around 123 or 125 here. He's owned | both versions and found the wing is faster on some tacks and showed a | tiny pointing deficit. Downwind, the wing is slower. Then again I'm | getting a boat with a inventory of mylar sails that you'd never own. | They're recent, rated between 8 & 9 by the local loft and cost just | under 10K (genoa, jib and main) in 2003. The dacron stuff aboard is | also in very good shape and the spin is new. Sorry, Loco. She's going | to be a lot of fun. And boat for boat I'll pass any Depress 30 of | course! Then, back at the slip I'll flip on the theatre system, emjoy | the cool AC and watch the sun go down...on the 20 inch LCD TV!!! Good | times for us and of course we could care less about racing...just out | for some fun sailing on a comfortable boat...with a swim platform, huge | cockpit and beautiful interior! Fun, fun, fun! | And it's KILLING YOU!!!! I think it already knocked a few years off | Scotty's sad life. Good night, sad little boy with the sad little 30 | footer! | | RB | |
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Why would a 'sugar scoop' transom be a problem in a seaway, given
mostly-competent design & construction of the boat? Capt.Mooron wrote: Well... it's a fgree entry point for inwash. Not if the boat is designed with good reserve bouyancy in the aft sections. .... Not a terrible thing if you have proper watertight companionway fittings and will drain as easily as it fills .... but still the design allows much more water into the cockpit than the standard enclosed type. I disagree strongly. In fact, having sailed many open transom boats in pretty good seas, I can remember very few times having water come in astern. And those times were in waves steep enough (or breaking) that they would have washed over top of any transom (or pointy stern) too. In fact, the one boat I've sailed a lot and is mentionable as having a tendency to stick her stern into following seas is an old classic counter-stern sloop. Elegant, and from the looks of that long overhang you'd think she'd lift readily to waves from astern. But that turned out not to eb the case. A great boat in many other respects though, and beautiful enough to be forgiven this flaw... besides, she also had the classic small cockpit... That's because they were either not fast boats to begin with, or because they were incompetently sailed. Amend that overly harsh statement to "not sailed with high degree of racing competence." Well that would assume my competency and the assumption the other vessels were crewed by incompetents. I doubt that was the case Doug. I attribute it to the facility of my vessel in rough seas. They seemed to "pound" much more to windward. They also seemed to lack momentum to overcome the sea state. If they're pounding and "lack momentum" then they're being sailed wrong... specifically, they are pinching. There is a time to feather up when overpowered, but it's not when consistently overpowered with seas sweeping you to leeward. Also, boats don't pound (or at least, nowhere near as much) when depowered & footed off. On it's best day, your boat is going to have a very hard time putting in 200+ miles days, which should be easily achievable with a racier boat in good driving conditions. I can maintain an easy 7 knots in good winds, even in roughest seas. Some of the other vessels can surpass that ... but not continuously for long durations. That may be my boat's advantage. What do you call "long duration"? All the way across? Why would any competent crew stop driving their vessel when sailing conditions were good? As for going DDW in a blow, it can be done... and is done... pretty regularly by good racing crews, unless it's faster to reach. Shucks, I've raced Lightnings and 470s, including a few memorable spinnaker runs, in winds north of 40 knots. It's fun! I met with the Captains after the race... none to a man would have dared try that with their boats except for one really competitive racer... he dropped a reef and changed headsails to catch up... he broached. And didn't get going again? Hell, I've raced some lightweight flyers that broached under spinnaker every 5 minutes, and still hit 18 knots and passed boats on the run. Like I said, the problem here is that you're apparently not racing against guys that are driving hard & fast. I can't match a fin keeler on harbour races... my vessel isn't designed for that. Given the proper conditions.... it can achieve it's potential and that will outstrip some racing designs. Y'know, every crab crusher sailor says that, then when I ask "what racing designs" it turns out that they consider a slightly less crab-crushy boat to be a "hot-shot racer" and don't really want to put it to the test. I'm kind of surprised that the Contessa 32(s) sailed in your club can't keep up with you in a blow, those are supposed to be good heavy weather boats. ... Overall it's a comfortable vessel with an adequate turn of speed. It's forgiving and well mannered. And those are very good characteristics. Good steering characteristics, especially in following seas, is also very desirable. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"DSK" wrote in message Not if the boat is designed with good reserve bouyancy in the aft sections. Well that's the ringer isn't it? A sugar scoop would lend to waterline ... but not nessecarily to boyancy I disagree strongly. In fact, having sailed many open transom boats in pretty good seas, I can remember very few times having water come in astern. And those times were in waves steep enough (or breaking) that they would have washed over top of any transom (or pointy stern) too. Now there rears the head of the Dragon of Reserve Buoyancy. I would take issue with that statement having experienced both types of vessels in comparitive situations. In fact, the one boat I've sailed a lot and is mentionable as having a tendency to stick her stern into following seas is an old classic counter-stern sloop. Elegant, and from the looks of that long overhang you'd think she'd lift readily to waves from astern. But that turned out not to eb the case. A great boat in many other respects though, and beautiful enough to be forgiven this flaw... besides, she also had the classic small cockpit... More Reserve bouyancy than a sugar scoop?? Amend that overly harsh statement to "not sailed with high degree of racing competence." Maybe not......? If they're pounding and "lack momentum" then they're being sailed wrong... specifically, they are pinching. There is a time to feather up when overpowered, but it's not when consistently overpowered with seas sweeping you to leeward. Also, boats don't pound (or at least, nowhere near as much) when depowered & footed off. Although I agree with the base contention... mitigating factors are always a reality. Sea states can be vary with seasonal conditions. I sail in unprotected waters... for the most part. Steep short seas with breaking tops are common. So are 40ft+ waves entering my harbour. Doug... those are a steep climb. I've been in water that has impeded forward progress to a waypoint. What do you call "long duration"? All the way across? Why would any competent crew stop driving their vessel when sailing conditions were good? Well that depends dosen't it.... 12 hours could be a "duration". Depends on watch times and crew condition. And didn't get going again? Of course... but in that type of wind......... minutes are hours lost Hell, I've raced some lightweight flyers that broached under spinnaker every 5 minutes, and still hit 18 knots and passed boats on the run. I'm certain you have Doug....... Like I said, the problem here is that you're apparently not racing against guys that are driving hard & fast. That could be...... Y'know, every crab crusher sailor says that, then when I ask "what racing designs" it turns out that they consider a slightly less crab-crushy boat to be a "hot-shot racer" and don't really want to put it to the test. Heh... when you enter a race... you race the field I'm kind of surprised that the Contessa 32(s) sailed in your club can't keep up with you in a blow, those are supposed to be good heavy weather boats. Yeah they are.... I'm saying my boat is substantially faster. It's a proven fact. And those are very good characteristics. Good steering characteristics, especially in following seas, is also very desirable. I like my boat Doug....... :-) CM |
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Hey Nutsy,
If you're trucking it up, please post pictures of her bottom. Did you say she has a Wing Keel? Is she does, she'll do well in the Sound. A wing keel and good bottom should get you to a lot of better anchorages early. http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma |
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Then again I'm
getting a boat with a inventory of mylar sails that you'd never own. More shoot from the hip comments. I hope you never get involved with off track betting. |
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Hey Capt. Rob! Have you any insurance on your new boat? Better get it
outta Tampa before this week-end. Looks like Wilma might pay a visit to the Florida west coast. We haven't closed yet, so no risk to us at all. It would suck if something happened and we had to start over! Hope you don't get clobbered. RB |
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More shoot from the hip comments. I hope you never get involved with
off track betting. What type of sails do you own? Are they nearly new mylar sails? RB |
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If you're trucking it up, please post pictures of her bottom. Did you
say she has a Wing Keel? Is she does, she'll do well in the Sound. A wing keel and good bottom should get you to a lot of better anchorages early. That's right, Thom. We sought out the wing because of the Sound. I spoke to a lot of owners and the loss of performance is very small. The advantages of the shallow draft is well worth it. Her current owner says the wing is faster on a close reach than his previous deep draft and he can't tell the difference in pointing. He finds the wing slower downwind. You're welcome to come for a sail anytime. RB |
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Nutsy,
Don't sell your Wing Keel short to fast. Learn how to use it. She'll tack upwind just fine. Just remember that you have to have a good flow of water over the wing to make it work. A wing keel working properly up wind will put your mast more upright, which will increase your working sail area. Downwind, she should be as fast or faster if you watch your hull trim (crew placement) With a good Wind, downwind it can act as a hydrofoil. Remember Conners lost the lead to the Aussies Wing Keel on the downward leg. The "Old Time Puristist" see the keel as a weighted, wetted area necessary to stop Leeway, never accepting the dynamics it adds to the boat. Learn to use the wing!! Hull trim is important; side to side and fore and aft! It needs motion. Without movement it is only weight and wetted area but so then is a deep fin keel. http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma |
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Not if the boat is designed with good reserve bouyancy in the aft
sections. Capt.Mooron wrote: Well that's the ringer isn't it? A sugar scoop would lend to waterline ... but not nessecarily to boyancy Not necessarily waterline either. But a major feature of a boat, like an open transom (not the same thing as a sugar scoop), *must* be in accordance with the rest of the design. Most racier boats with open transoms happen to have pretty wide, bouyant stern sections. Not necessarily a coincidence. I disagree strongly. In fact, having sailed many open transom boats in pretty good seas, I can remember very few times having water come in astern. And those times were in waves steep enough (or breaking) that they would have washed over top of any transom (or pointy stern) too. Now there rears the head of the Dragon of Reserve Buoyancy. I would take issue with that statement having experienced both types of vessels in comparitive situations. It may be that you're not looking back enough ;) I know that of the few times I've had water come into an open transom boat from following seas, it's been when the seas were rather steep and/or breaking, and stand by the assertion that most of them would have rolled right in over a transom, too. Especially one without much reserve bouyancy aft. In fact, the one boat I've sailed a lot and is mentionable as having a tendency to stick her stern into following seas is an old classic counter-stern sloop. Elegant, and from the looks of that long overhang you'd think she'd lift readily to waves from astern. But that turned out not to eb the case. A great boat in many other respects though, and beautiful enough to be forgiven this flaw... besides, she also had the classic small cockpit... More Reserve bouyancy than a sugar scoop?? Well, this was also a rather narrow & heavy boat. Reserve bouyancy is relative to the overall displacement, and also to the moment of inertia. A heavy boat, especially one with a lot of weight in the ends, will need more reserve bouyancy to gain the same lift to following seas. Although I agree with the base contention... mitigating factors are always a reality. Sea states can be vary with seasonal conditions. I sail in unprotected waters... for the most part. Steep short seas with breaking tops are common. So are 40ft+ waves entering my harbour. Doug... those are a steep climb. Sure. But OTOH a lighter boat with a more powerful rig ought to be able to get up & over those waves easier. One disadvantage is that they tend to get thrown to leeward by breaking crests, which means the boat must be cleverly sailed to avoid that; but IMHO that's not the most overriding factor. It suggests unless the skipper in the picture is not using the right sailing techniques to minimize his disadvantage(s) and maximize his advantages. Of course, I could be wrong... nah, I couldn't ;) Hell, I've raced some lightweight flyers that broached under spinnaker every 5 minutes, and still hit 18 knots and passed boats on the run. I'm certain you have Doug....... It's fun, especially on somebody else's boat... You'd love it! I like my boat Doug....... :-) I like it too, and I've never even seen it in person. BTW did I ever send you any pictures of the Vancouver 36 in our marina? Very similar boat, at first I thought it was a bigger Nordica. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"DSK" wrote in message I like it too, and I've never even seen it in person. BTW did I ever send you any pictures of the Vancouver 36 in our marina? Very similar boat, at first I thought it was a bigger Nordica. Yes.... the Vancouvers are very nice vessels. Another vessel I really liked was the Cabo Rico 38. I chartered one in Eluethra for 3 weeks. CM |
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Downwind, she should be as fast or faster if you watch your hull
trim (crew placement) With a good Wind, downwind it can act as a hydrofoil. Remember Conners lost the lead to the Aussies Wing Keel on the downward leg. A wing keel act as a hydrofoil on a displacement boat? In 70kts of wind maybe. As far as comparing to a 12 meter AC boat pleaseeeeeeeeee. There has never been a production boat that had a wing keel that remotely resembled a 12 meter wing keel. The design concepts are not even close. The design goals and functions are totally different. |
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Loco,
Yes!! A hydrofoil. A foil that will provide Lift. She'll not Lift clear of the water as "Yellow Pages" does but will provide upward lift which is a lighting force on the hull. Loco, look at my wing in the attachment. It has a downward set to it to help it point higher up wind. On downward we load the cockpit to get a uplift on the hull to over come the downwind action of the sails. http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
non existant. I can't find a boat that suzzi likes enough to buy for me. RB |
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