"Vito" wrote in message
Seriously, you provide too little info to form any opinion in this case.

http://www.maherarar.ca/mahers%20story.php

http://www.counterpunch.org/arar11062003.html

Let me know what you think... it's been done to several Canadians,
Australians, British citizens by the USA already. you are having a third
World Nation do your torture and interrogation for you.

CM

Well, that's better than having Canadians do it for us. Then, all you'll get
is a drunken terrorist eyeing some innocent farm animal.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Vito" wrote in message
Seriously, you provide too little info to form any opinion in this case.

http://www.maherarar.ca/mahers%20story.php

http://www.counterpunch.org/arar11062003.html

Let me know what you think... it's been done to several Canadians,
Australians, British citizens by the USA already. you are having a third
World Nation do your torture and interrogation for you.

CM

Ganzy??... Do you even bother to engage your brain prior to submitting
these indicators of your total idiocy?

No seriously?!! You have serious issues....

....and I think you're GAY!

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Well, that's better than having Canadians do it for us. Then, all you'll
get is a drunken terrorist eyeing some innocent farm animal.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Vito" wrote in message
Seriously, you provide too little info to form any opinion in this case.

http://www.maherarar.ca/mahers%20story.php

http://www.counterpunch.org/arar11062003.html

Let me know what you think... it's been done to several Canadians,
Australians, British citizens by the USA already. you are having a third
World Nation do your torture and interrogation for you.

CM

And I thought I was a lousy troll. I even apologized. Bwaahahahahaaa

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:%Pt8f.49666$yS6.26595@clgrps12...
Ganzy??... Do you even bother to engage your brain prior to submitting
these indicators of your total idiocy?

No seriously?!! You have serious issues....

...and I think you're GAY!

CM

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Well, that's better than having Canadians do it for us. Then, all you'll
get is a drunken terrorist eyeing some innocent farm animal.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
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"Vito" wrote in message
Seriously, you provide too little info to form any opinion in this
case.

http://www.maherarar.ca/mahers%20story.php

http://www.counterpunch.org/arar11062003.html

Let me know what you think... it's been done to several Canadians,
Australians, British citizens by the USA already. you are having a
third World Nation do your torture and interrogation for you.

CM

Oh, I apologize.

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"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:sAp8f.53976$y_1.5197@edtnps89...

"Vito" wrote in message
Seriously, you provide too little info to form any opinion in this case.

http://www.maherarar.ca/mahers%20story.php

http://www.counterpunch.org/arar11062003.html

Let me know what you think... it's been done to several Canadians,
Australians, British citizens by the USA already. you are having a third
World Nation do your torture and interrogation for you.

CM

In article sAp8f.53976$y_1.5197@edtnps89, Capt.Mooron
wrote:

"Vito" wrote in message
Seriously, you provide too little info to form any opinion in this case.

http://www.maherarar.ca/mahers%20story.php

http://www.counterpunch.org/arar11062003.html

Let me know what you think... it's been done to several Canadians,
Australians, British citizens by the USA already. you are having a third
World Nation do your torture and interrogation for you.

And people like Vito wonder why even their long term friends and allies
like us Aussies are starting to leave. Doing stuff like this via some
******** 2rd World country makes you the same as them. The phrase
'whited sepulchure' comes immediately to mind.

PDW

"Peter Wiley" wrote
And people like Vito wonder why even their long term friends and allies
like us Aussies are starting to leave. ....

Faced with a frozen nut on your boat's motor, that you knew would come loose
with a bit to WD-40 in a few hours or days, would you instead reach for a
cutting torch? No? Well the US would not send anyone to Syria so he could be
tortured by their brutal ineffective methods either. I'm sorry you think
otherwise. Not that we are too moral but, having tried those methods at the
Salem Witch Trials, we know they don't work.

The Auzzi held at Gitmo is not being physically tortured. He was captured in
Afganistan by Afghans whilst fighting for al Qaeda and the Taliban, having
left his family in Oz unsupported and gone there to support a gang who
killed women for being literate and no, I do not pity him. Why do you? He
gve up his rights as an Australian when HE eagerly adopted the radical
Muslim system. Now he has been tried under that system and given to us for
deprogramming in liu of execution. Would you rather he'd been beheaded?

The fellow Capt. M. mentions apparently held dual Canadian/Syrian
citizenship, the latter by birth. I can only speculate why he was sent to
Syria vs Canada except that was where he was born. I sincerely doubt he was
sent there so Syria could torture information out of him for us if only
because we know that such info is unreliable. If we thot he knew something
he be at Gitmo.

"Vito" wrote in message


Well the US would not send anyone to Syria so he could be
tortured by their brutal ineffective methods either. I'm sorry you think
otherwise. Not that we are too moral but, having tried those methods at
the
Salem Witch Trials, we know they don't work.

Well Vito..... that's entirely the reason why he was sent. It is common
policy for the USA to do that to avoid their own laws. If you read the
report they informed not only this individual but the other three that they
were being interogated for information by request of the USA.

Look Syria is no friend of the USA... but it knows what needs to be done to
avoid "action" against it. Most of the insurgents in Irag come from or thru
Syria. As long as they provide a service to the USA... no action will be
taken. Syria has no interest in interogatting a Canadian Citizen. Most are
sympathetic to the insurgents.


The fellow Capt. M. mentions apparently held dual Canadian/Syrian
citizenship, the latter by birth. I can only speculate why he was sent to
Syria vs Canada except that was where he was born. I sincerely doubt he
was
sent there so Syria could torture information out of him for us if only
because we know that such info is unreliable. If we thot he knew
something
he be at Gitmo.

No you couldn't.... he was not "captured" nor was he on any "list". He was
forthcoming with all information and was denied legal counsel and the
opportunity to contact Canadian officals and his family.

Vito.. wake up! It was wrong, it's been done on numerous occaisions, it's
not an isolated incident, it's illegal, it flys in the face of your
constitution and claims of moral decency. It's happening and you seem to
treat it like an anomaly..... when in fact it's SOP.

Our RCMP are being raked across the coals for their compliance to US demands
regarding this situation. Our diplomat to Syria is on the hotseat. He was
warned by the US diplomat to not get involved in this.... and didn't report
it.

You have not undertaken this with US citzens holding dual citizenship.

For gawds sake he was a 30 year old engineer who had been in Canada since he
was 17. He had a loving family and children. He was a contributing member of
society with no history of criminal behaviour. He spent 2 years being
tortured for information he did not have.... all at the request of your
government and their paranoid state of operation.

What level are you guys on right now... yellow or orange? Does it matter?...
do you even pay attention anymore? Do you even notice your rights and
freedoms being erroded? Is it because they are only taking small pieces of
it away at a time?

Did you see the website where US soldiers can post pictures of their
"Kills"...??? Strange world we live in!

With power comes responsibility...

CM

In article cjq9f.63704$y_1.10985@edtnps89, Capt.Mooron
wrote:

"Vito" wrote in message


Well the US would not send anyone to Syria so he could be
tortured by their brutal ineffective methods either. I'm sorry you think
otherwise. Not that we are too moral but, having tried those methods at
the
Salem Witch Trials, we know they don't work.

Well Vito..... that's entirely the reason why he was sent. It is common
policy for the USA to do that to avoid their own laws. If you read the
report they informed not only this individual but the other three that they
were being interogated for information by request of the USA.

Look Syria is no friend of the USA... but it knows what needs to be done to
avoid "action" against it. Most of the insurgents in Irag come from or thru
Syria. As long as they provide a service to the USA... no action will be
taken. Syria has no interest in interogatting a Canadian Citizen. Most are
sympathetic to the insurgents.


The fellow Capt. M. mentions apparently held dual Canadian/Syrian
citizenship, the latter by birth. I can only speculate why he was sent to
Syria vs Canada except that was where he was born. I sincerely doubt he
was
sent there so Syria could torture information out of him for us if only
because we know that such info is unreliable. If we thot he knew
something
he be at Gitmo.

No you couldn't.... he was not "captured" nor was he on any "list". He was
forthcoming with all information and was denied legal counsel and the
opportunity to contact Canadian officals and his family.

Vito.. wake up! It was wrong, it's been done on numerous occaisions, it's
not an isolated incident, it's illegal, it flys in the face of your
constitution and claims of moral decency. It's happening and you seem to
treat it like an anomaly..... when in fact it's SOP.

Our RCMP are being raked across the coals for their compliance to US demands
regarding this situation. Our diplomat to Syria is on the hotseat. He was
warned by the US diplomat to not get involved in this.... and didn't report
it.

You have not undertaken this with US citzens holding dual citizenship.

For gawds sake he was a 30 year old engineer who had been in Canada since he
was 17. He had a loving family and children. He was a contributing member of
society with no history of criminal behaviour. He spent 2 years being
tortured for information he did not have.... all at the request of your
government and their paranoid state of operation.

What level are you guys on right now... yellow or orange? Does it matter?...
do you even pay attention anymore? Do you even notice your rights and
freedoms being erroded? Is it because they are only taking small pieces of
it away at a time?

Did you see the website where US soldiers can post pictures of their
"Kills"...??? Strange world we live in!

With power comes responsibility...

No. With power comes corruption, and greater power means greater
corruption.

As an Australian, I'm moving towards supporting China economically and
politically. I'm reluctant to do this but given the USA's long record
of constitutional protection is now a sick joke, China's record is
starting to look better, and they're big enough to resist the USA.

Economically, Australia will probably be better off than dealing with
the USA anyway.

PDW

"Capt.Mooron" wrote
If we thot he knew something he be at Gitmo.

No you couldn't.... he was not "captured" nor was he on any "list".

Hadn't thot of that ...

..... tortured for information he did not have.... all at the request of
your
government and their paranoid state of operation.

Obviously, this administration is the worst in our history. Worse than LBJ
and Nixon combined and "paranoid" is an apt description. Stupid men get that
way when faced with what to them are insoluable problems of their own
making - especially when everything they do makes things worse. "It must be
somebody is out to get me .."

All I can say is that most Americans did not vote for it, except by lack of
action. Yes, we are in deep trouble.


....... Do you even notice your rights and
freedoms being erroded? Is it because they are only taking small pieces of
it away at a time?

Sure, but we can only choose between the two parties, and they differ only
in what rights each wants to eliminate first. Iran's government is much
like your own - except that there is a supreme court that can negate (veto)
any at passed by the legislature and that court is comprised of radical
Muslims. When Bush's latest appointment is confirmed the majority of our
own court will be Roman Catholics - for decades to come.

I'm sorry these things are happening.