Express 30 Questions?
 

Why would anyone want an Express 30? A J30 is faster and TWICE the
interior quality. You can also race other J30s with ease.
Why would anyone want an Express 30? The interior is awful for cruising
of any kind and really cheap looking. My C&C 32 was twice the boat.
Why would anyone want an Express 30? She has very harsh boxy lines and
is a nasty looking sailboat.
Why would anyone want an Express 30? It's horribly dated and doesn't
make up for it with any comforts.

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

A J30 is faster and TWICE the interior quality.

As usual your wrong whenever you post anything about boats. J30
rates 6 seconds a mile slower than an Express 30. As far as the other
crap ........... quit trolling.

Express 30 Questions?
 

As usual your wrong whenever you post anything about boats. J30
rates 6 seconds a mile slower than an Express 30.

Wow!!! A whole six seconds! So in the real world they're about the same
speed...except the J30 has a MUCH nicer interior, proper tiller for a
racer, ability to race other J30s and so on. It also looks better and
is a more versatile boat overall. And J-Boat still exists. You can't
even find a rating for the poor Depress 30 in most places!
Good pick, Loco!

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

--
"Swab Rob" wrote
As usual your wrong whenever you post anything about boats.
J30
rates 6 seconds a mile slower than an Express 30.

Wow!!! A whole six seconds!


Admitting you're wrong is a good step, but you've got a long way
to go.



So in the real world they're about the same speed...


No, only in the Matrix you live in.



ability to race other J30s and so on.

You can race an Express 30 against a J30. Ask Doug to explain it
to you.



You can't
even find a rating for the Express 30 in most places!


Yes you can, but first you'll have to step out of the Matrix.

SBV

Express 30 Questions?
 

except the J30 has a MUCH nicer interior, proper tiller for a
racer, ability to race other J30s and so on. It also looks better and
is a more versatile boat overall. And J-Boat still exists. You can't
even find a rating for the poor Depress 30 in most places!

J30 = better boat? Are you refering to the port chainplate bulkhead
that fails in every boat? or are you refering to the under cockpit
bulkhead that fails in every boat? or are you refering to the stern
area around the engine exhaust that rots and fails on every boat? or
are you refering to the rig that fails at the spreader and buckles on
every boat unless the mod kit is installed beforehand? The J30 is a
good boat but it ain't built better than an Express.

Express 30 Questions?
 

except the J30 has a MUCH nicer interior

How so? The Express has a proper sea bearth, a teak and holly sole, an
oven, etc. and it's still faster than a J30. The interior of a J30 is
pushed out to the hull so you get more floor space. Big deal.

proper tiller for a racer

I guess a Farr 40 is not a proper racer.

,ability to race other J30s and so on.

There's a few areas up north where Express 30s race 1design. J30
owners can't find a fleet everywhere. In fact I have a friend who
bought one in your state for $14k because there are no fleets up there.


It also looks better and is a more versatile boat overall.

Looks better. This coming from someone who always buys boats with ugly
sterns. Versatile? You wouldn't know the meaning.

Express 30 Questions?
 

except the J30 has a MUCH nicer interior


How so? The Express has a proper sea bearth, a teak and holly sole, an

oven, etc. and it's still faster than a J30. The interior of a J30 is
pushed out to the hull so you get more floor space. Big deal.

The interior of the sad an aptly renamed Depress 30:

http://www.niagarayachtsales.com/bro...20Interior.jpg

And the interior of the respected J30:

http://www.jboats.com/j30/images/j30maincab.jpg

I have NEVER seen an interior shot of a Depress 30 that looked better
than the average O'Day interior, but I've sailed aboard J/30's that
were really nice. Perhaps you can steer us to some good interior shots?

Here's info on the J30 Class assoc. http://www.j30.org/
They are very active and the boats here compete locally against
eachother. Can you steer us to some info on the Depress 30 class assoc.
pages?

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

J30 = better boat?


Yup, the ports stay in as well. It also has the superior rig and J Boat
actually has some support for the boat. Can you forward us the # for
Express, so we can give them a call?
Puh-lease. You own a dead-end still-born boat with a cheesy interior
and ugly boxy lines. The only thing good about it is that it gives some
sailing fun to those who can't afford better.
Scotty's helping you now, so...no worries!!!!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

Yup, the ports stay in as well.

What?

It also has the superior rig ..

Ain't no way the J30s rig is "superior" I already told you they all
fail at the spreaders.

Express 30 Questions?
 

The interior of the sad an aptly renamed Depress 30:
http://www.niagarayachtsales.com/bro.../Fwd%20Interio...

And the interior of the respected J30:
http://www.jboats.com/j30/images/j30maincab.jpg

Cleaver how you post links to photos of early Express 30s and compare
them to photos of what has to be one of the last J30s built. Only a
handfull of J30s built late in the run circa 1985 have the interior you
posted. Oh, and was that a "brochure" photo? Nice try. I just don't
get your point but I guess your trolling once again. You really should
get a job so you can help out with the bills and feel more like a man.

Express 30 Questions?
 

Hey Boob, J Boat lover. If you knew anything you would know that J
Boats are considered by most people who like to sail fast and
professionals like sailmakers as pigs. There is a saying among the
knowledgeable: "The only thing a J Boat can beat is another J Boat" J
Boat calls their 105 a sport boat. Hell, it's a heavy pig that is
sailed by idiots who spend most of their time crashing into each other.
Real sport boat owners consider the boat and the class a joke. But
your the guy who once posted that you were "looking for some J Boat
excitement" That statement alone continues to prove you know nothing
about boats and that you would fit right in as a J Boat owner.

Express 30 Questions?
 

More J30 facts: Lack of sail area, slow upwind in light air. Can't go
upwind in a chop. So many owners were upset with performance that the
class went with an oversized genny (163%) compared to every other boat
that races outside the Matrix. That tiller that the Boob loves so much
is connected to a barn door rudder that gives you the feeling your
driving a bus. And in a breeze you need to be a gorrilla to drive the
thing. Gee the Express 30 is a quickie upwind in light air (with an
oven on board) and the designer had the foresight and brains to design
a proper semi-balanced rudder. Oh, and if you didn't like the wheel
you could have bought the boat with a tiller. In fact the boat is
easly converted back to tiller once the wheel is installed.

Express 30 Questions?
 

Notice how he doesn't mention how fast the J boat is since he got
shot down on that one?

Scotty


"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Yup, the ports stay in as well.

What?

It also has the superior rig ..

Ain't no way the J30s rig is "superior" I already told you
they all
fail at the spreaders.

Express 30 Questions?
 

I almost forgot. The keel is off center on every J30 ever made and it
got worse as the model run went along. The great J Boat factory never
cared enough to fix the problem. So every J30 is way faster on one
tack than the other unless the owner spent big $ to have the keel
fixed. There's a caring factory.

Express 30 Questions?
 

Oh, I almost forgot. The J30 is the only thirty footer that I know of
with a 2 cyl inboard diesel that uses a 3/4" prop shaft insted of a 1"
shaft to save a few bucks. So much whip in that thing you think your
on the African Queen.

Express 30 Questions?
 

I really like J-Boats latest selling tactic. Lifelines are optional.

Express 30 Questions?
 

Notice how he doesn't mention how fast the J boat is since he got
shot down on that one? ..

He gets busted at least once a day by someone on here then he gets in a
bad mood and goes and surfs the net trying to come up with some new
topic.

Express 30 Questions?
 

Hey Boob, J Boat lover. If you knew anything you would know that J
Boats are considered by most people who like to sail fast and
professionals like sailmakers as pigs.


Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!! Good lord! You're boat rates as BARELY faster
(and it won't beat a J30 boat for boat anyway), BUT it's fun and the
J-isn't? Ohhhhh, okay! Never heard a real racer call another race boat
a "pig." they tend to have a mature view of boats and appreciate what
J-baot has done for sailboat racing with designs like the J24.
Loco, you're a sad little man who THINKS he knows about boats, but in
truth you only have some weak opinions and an VERY old design easily
eclipsed by better boats.

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

Gee the Express 30 is a quickie upwind in light air (with an
oven on board) and the designer had the foresight and brains to design
a proper semi-balanced rudder. Oh, and if you didn't like the wheel
you could have bought the boat with a tiller.


We sail a J30 on a regular basis. My wife and the girls have NO problem
with the tiller even in fresh conditions. My advice to you is to
actually get some experience on the J30 for more than a few rides and
learn to trim a sail for proper balance! The J/30 balances like a champ
once trimmed/reefed early in heavier stuff. You also might want to get
in shape. If Suzanne can handle the tiller, you obviously have a
problem with conditioning.
Who said my new boat has a wheel? Hmmmmm?
Poor Loco! You're about to be one unhappy fellow...not that you're
happy now!!!

Bwahahahahahahahahahha!

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

The J30 is the only thirty footer that I know of
with a 2 cyl inboard diesel that uses a 3/4" prop shaft insted of a 1"
shaft to save a few bucks. So much whip in that thing you think your
on the African Queen.



Hmmm, my friend's Yanmar has been ultra reliable and never had an
issue. Then again, he actually uses the sails to move it. Thanks for
tipping your hand. I'm sure you're the type to motor out to where
there's wind, motor over to where there's more and motor back rather
than sail. It doesn't surprise me that you're interested in shaft
diameter!

Hoooooh ahhhh!

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

guess a Farr 40 is not a proper racer.


Shame on you for comparing your sad 20K boat to a Farr 40. The only
wheel steered boat I'd own now is a R&P design which doesn't rely on
cables. Such wheel systems preserve rudder feel.
Loco, you're boat is just plain sad. Why not get a C&C 34R? That boat
can get out it's own way at least.

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

My advice to you is to actually get some experience on the J30
for more than a few rides and
learn to trim a sail for proper balance

Open mouth insert foot. I have plenty of J30 hours. I used to crew on
a J30 that was always in the top 3 in the very competitive and large
Annapolis fleet. Your the one who MAYBE went for a few rides.

Express 30 Questions?
 

You're boat rates as BARELY faster (and it won't beat a J30 boat
for boat anyway

Anybody see the lack of understanding that's displayed here.

Express 30 Questions?
 

Hmmm, my friend's Yanmar has been ultra reliable and never had an
issue.

You should run for office somewhere. Please point out where I said
anything negative about Yanmar. I knocked the 3/4" propshaft that J
Boats used on the 30. But you knew that and failed to comment on that
fact because you had no defense.

Express 30 Questions?
 

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
You're boat rates as BARELY faster (and it won't beat a J30
boat
for boat anyway

Anybody see the lack of understanding that's displayed here.


I see complete stupidity.

SBV

Express 30 Questions?
 

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Notice how he doesn't mention how fast the J boat is since he got
shot down on that one? ..

He gets busted at least once a day by someone on here then he gets in a
bad mood and goes and surfs the net trying to come up with some new
topic.


Well, I think he's trying to recruit allies, think his only current ally is
RedClod.

John Cairns

Express 30 Questions?
 

We sail a J30 on a regular basis. My wife and the girls have NO
problem with the tiller even in fresh conditions.

Bull****. I guess your women are much stronger than the women who owns
and races a J30 in Annapolis. She petitioned the class requesting that
they allow her to have her rudder modified to turn it into a semi
balanced rudder so she could take some of the load off in big breezes.
The J30 tiller is a bitch in a breeze and everybody knows it.

Express 30 Questions?
 

Am I correct in assuming that you didn't intend this to be a pun?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:52:19 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote:


"rgnmstr" wrote in message
groups.com...
Notice how he doesn't mention how fast the J boat is since he got
shot down on that one? ..

He gets busted at least once a day by someone on here then he gets in a
bad mood and goes and surfs the net trying to come up with some new
topic.


Well, I think he's trying to recruit allies, think his only current ally
is
RedClod.

John Cairns


Anyone who thinks I'm an ally of Bobsprit's, is either in a persistive
vegetative state, or they just fell off the carrot truck today.



Captain Joe Redcloud

Express 30 Questions?
 

Open mouth insert foot. I have plenty of J30 hours. I used to crew on

a J30 that was always in the top 3 in the very competitive and large
Annapolis fleet. Your the one who MAYBE went for a few rides.


Sorry to break it to you, but I've been sailing a J30 for almost 10
years, going out almost every summer on her, mostly on evening sails.
This year we didn't because she was storm damaged after her mooring
dragged. The fact that you don't know how to balance a J/30 and get it
in the groove is either a lie or simply inability to trim. The J/30
tiller is not tough unless you're overcanvassed or badly trimmed. Claim
what you like, but you've tipped your hand once again.
Sucker!

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

Bull****. I guess your women are much stronger than the women who owns

and races a J30 in Annapolis.

Probably. Suzanne trains and had a flat belly back only 8 weeks after
having thomas and my friend who races the 30 and used to race her 24
does triathalons. Like me, these girls keep strong. They could kick
your ass with ease. I have no doubt that Suzanne would beat the crap
out of you as you sound like a total weenie. I know your type from my
days as a bouncer.

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

You're boat rates as BARELY faster (and it won't beat a J30 boat
for boat anyway


Anybody see the lack of understanding that's displayed here.

Yup, you think that because the Express 30 has a slightly lower rating,
that it implies it would always be faster than a J/30. Nothing could be
further from the truth. The fact that you even mentioned the handicap
as an indicator proves it.
You're BUSTED AGAIN, Loco!

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

I see complete stupidity.

Flip up the mirror on the visor!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

going out almost every summer on her, mostly on evening sails.


LOL....................... OK you win. You da J30 man.

Express 30 Questions?
 

Yup, you think that because the Express 30 has a slightly lower
rating,
that it implies it would always be faster than a J/30. Nothing could be

further from the truth. The fact that you even mentioned the handicap
as an indicator proves it.
You're BUSTED AGAIN, Loco! .

You and anybody following this series of crap from you know who's been
busted. I only mentioned the handycap to show you that your the only
person who thinks a J30 is faster than an Express 30. A bunch of
different handycappers don't think so. As far as me thinking a lower
rating means one boat will always beat another is simply a stupid
comment. Remember I race you don't. Just too many variables in any
race. I've been beat by J30s and I've beat the same J30s. Now go
check out some more boat interiors.

Express 30 Questions?
 

I've been beat by J30s and I've beat the same J30s.



After blowing his idiotic bugle of ignorance, Loco finally admits to
what I've been saying all along. The J/30 is a fast, fun boat, as fast
or faster than an Depress 30 and with class associations far beyond the
barely known Express. You can't even FIND ratings for the Express 30 on
most sites because there are so few around. The boat was a failure. Is
the poor thing rated on the whole LIS? Someone let me know as I lost
the link.
Acting as if a boat's interior means nothing is plain dumb. You bought
a boat with accomodations, so they matter. The J/30 interior is nicer.
Period.
Of course I'm about to post pics of our new boat which is about 10
times nicer than a J/30 or Depress 30, so who even cares about either
of these tired designs!??

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

After blowing his idiotic bugle of ignorance, Loco finally admits
to what I've been saying all along. The J/30 is a fast, fun boat, as
fast or faster than an Depress 30

LOL................ That's not what you were saying all along. Your
just a dockside dufas who knows nothing about boats.

Express 30 Questions?
 

You got that one off a popcycle stick.

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
I see complete stupidity.

Flip up the mirror on the visor!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Express 30 Questions?
 

Or the meaning of irony.

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
After blowing his idiotic bugle of ignorance, Loco finally admits
to what I've been saying all along. The J/30 is a fast, fun boat, as
fast or faster than an Depress 30

LOL................ That's not what you were saying all along. Your
just a dockside dufas who knows nothing about boats.

Express 30 Questions?
 

So what's remarkable about that?

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
You're boat rates as BARELY faster (and it won't beat a J30 boat
for boat anyway

Anybody see the lack of understanding that's displayed here.

Express 30 Questions?
 

B. S. He didn't have a clue and missed your point entirely. Remember, man,
you're arguing with a moron.


"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hmmm, my friend's Yanmar has been ultra reliable and never had an
issue.

You should run for office somewhere. Please point out where I said
anything negative about Yanmar. I knocked the 3/4" propshaft that J
Boats used on the 30. But you knew that and failed to comment on that
fact because you had no defense.