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So, what you're saying is that you're pretty much a nobody. Got it.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "rand" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in : Dave, My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing. The great Ganz, self-appointed net.boss of alt.sailing.asa, has commanded and you MUST obey or risk being netcopped by him. |
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Just make sure you get a life "rand."
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "rand" wrote in message ... "Dave Lilley" wrote in news:jWb6e.42088 : Thanks for the tip. I decided to stop lurking and subscribed to this group. I love to read about sailing and chat, especially when it's free. Thanks, Dave Just make sure you get everything pre-approved by Ganz. He is the newsgroup master, and will get "****ed off" if you post anything he doesn't like or if you crosspost to another newsgroup. |
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JG whined:
So, what you're saying is that you're pretty much a nobody. Got it. You hace been reported for top-poasting and cross-poasting. Turn in your man-card now. Oops, my bad, ya never had one. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "rand" wrote in message .. . "JG" wrote in : Dave, My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing. The great Ganz, self-appointed net.boss of alt.sailing.asa, has commanded and you MUST obey or risk being netcopped by him. |
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JG whined:
I love you rand. Can I suck your dick? Faggot, top-poasting netKKKop. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "rand" wrote in message .. . "Dave Lilley" wrote in news:jWb6e.42088 : Thanks for the tip. I decided to stop lurking and subscribed to this group. I love to read about sailing and chat, especially when it's free. Thanks, Dave Just make sure you get everything pre-approved by Ganz. He is the newsgroup master, and will get "****ed off" if you post anything he doesn't like or if you crosspost to another newsgroup. |
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On 10 Apr 2005 19:24:02 GMT, rand wrote this
crap: The great Ganz, self-appointed net.boss of alt.sailing.asa, has commanded and you MUST obey or risk being netcopped by him. He can't netcop me. I own my own domain. The worst he could do is hit me with his purse. This post is 100% free of steroids |
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![]() "JG" wrote in message ... Nice site... I'll check it out when I get some time. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Stop spending so much time netKKKopping people and you'd have plenty of time. CN |
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Dave Lilley wrote:
: I've eaten spam, but I'm not a spammer. I'm a sailor. ![]() dude, I've done none of the above 3 things. 1: I'm a vegetarian for ethical and health reasons. 2: spam sucks 3: only sailed in a yacht once many years ago unless you count being on a pirate radio ship as sailing, but really it was a hulk with an anchor. : : I sail down in Texas, and I'm a member of a sailing club and an : organization for my boat. At both there seemed to be something : missing in their websites. Since in my day job I'm a professional : software developer in my day job, I'd have hoped a professional would know that top-posting on usenet is not a good thing; no disrespect, but articles on usenet do expire and top-posting simply confuses a reader who may be a latecomer to a thread. : I decided to start my own site. I : would think to be spammer you would need a financial motive. (I : could be wrong. Who knows what motivates some people.) Anyway, since : I started the site on les than a shoestring budget, and since I'm not : in it to make a dime, I was hoping to get the word out word of mouth. : (It is amazing what you can do with free, open source software.) I : know that there is a fine line between word of mouth and loud and : obnoxious spam. That's why I will only mention the name once, and : only after I get permission from at least one person. After that, : the site will live or die on its own merits. If nobody uses it, my : wife would probably be a bit happier, because then I wouldn't have an : excuse to get out of my honey-dos. (I hope it works. I hate yard : work.) : : Dave good luck with your site, sincerely. my main concern was that I am currently taking an interest in this group for the precise reason that there are two known people who are prone to netKKKop anything they see which they disagree with, which is why I wanted to warn you about possible problems posting your site's url. the fact that JG, who is the main offender here took it upon himself to approve your post is slightly worrying in an unmoderated newsgroup. : : : : "Steve Leyland" wrote : in message ... :: Dave Lilley wrote: ::: I set up a new, not-for-profit sailing site with sailing news feeds, ::: weather, forums, photo galleries, chat, free classifieds, etc... If ::: anyone is intersted, I will post the link. If not, you will never ::: hear another word about it. Just let me know... :: :: better run it past the netKKKops first, they might decide you are a :: spammer. ::: ::: Thanks, ::: Dave Lilley :: :: -- :: Steve Leyland :: mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41 :: flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9 :: em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org :: Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept) :: http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/ :: http://www.radioxanadu.tk :: :: =^MEOW MEOW ARMY^= :: :: There's no future in time travel. :: ================================================== ==================== :: "Warning to all: :: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the :: muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past :: UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*" :: :: bear, uk.rec.motorcycles :: ================================================== ==================== :: "This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about :: usenet. Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET :: ALTOGETHER, DUMBASS." :: :: miguel, soc.singles :: ================================================== ==================== :: "must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in :: every ****ing post? You're very annoying." :: :: projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy :: ================================================== ==================== :: "I went to the Garden of Love, :: And saw what I never had seen; :: A Chapel was built in the midst, :: Where I used to play on the green. :: :: And the gates of this Chapel were shut :: And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door; :: So I turned to the Garden of Love :: That so many sweet flowers bore. :: :: And I saw it was filled with graves, :: And tombstones where flowers should be; :: And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds, :: And binding with briars my joys and desires." :: :: William Blake. :: ================================================== ==================== :: "When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe :: of people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in :: deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known :: as Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment." :: :: Native American prophecy :: :: :: |\ _.-'~~""'~`'~) :: /, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--'' :: |,4) ./ ' ; ;/' :: '-~~;'@ ( ; ; :: _.--'' _.-_..' .;.' :: (,_..----''' (,..--'' :: :: Meow -- Steve Leyland mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41 flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9 em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept) http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/ http://www.radioxanadu.tk =^MEOW MEOW ARMY^= Tell them dear, that if eyes were made for seeing, Then beauty is its own excuse for being: Why thou wert there, O rival of the rose! I never sought to ask, I never knew: But, in my simple ignorance suppose The selfsame power that brought me there brought you. - Ralph Waldo Emerson ================================================== ==================== My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing. jg, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa ================================================== ==================== "Warning to all: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*" bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles ================================================== ==================== "This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet. Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER, DUMBASS." miguel, soc.singles ================================================== ==================== "must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every ****ing post? You're very annoying." projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy ================================================== ==================== "I went to the Garden of Love, And saw what I never had seen; A Chapel was built in the midst, Where I used to play on the green. And the gates of this Chapel were shut And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door; So I turned to the Garden of Love That so many sweet flowers bore. And I saw it was filled with graves, And tombstones where flowers should be; And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds, And binding with briars my joys and desires." William Blake. ================================================== ==================== "When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment." Native American prophecy |\ _.-'~~""'~`'~) /, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--'' |,4) ./ ' ; ;/' '-~~;'@ ( ; ; _.--'' _.-_..' .;.' (,_..----''' (,..--'' Meow |
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JG wrote:
: Just make sure you get a life "rand." after he/she gets a new ISP, eh ganzy-boi? : : : "rand" wrote in message : ... :: "Dave Lilley" wrote in :: news:jWb6e.42088 : :: ::: Thanks for the tip. ::: ::: I decided to stop lurking and subscribed to this group. I love to ::: read about sailing and chat, especially when it's free. ::: ::: Thanks, ::: Dave :: :: Just make sure you get everything pre-approved by Ganz. He is the :: newsgroup master, and will get "****ed off" if you post anything he :: doesn't :: like or if you crosspost to another newsgroup. -- Steve Leyland mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41 flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9 em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept) http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/ http://www.radioxanadu.tk =^MEOW MEOW ARMY^= To build may have to be the slow and laborious task of years. To destroy can be the thoughtless act of a single day. - Sir Winston Churchill ================================================== ==================== My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing. jg, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa ================================================== ==================== "Warning to all: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*" bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles ================================================== ==================== "This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet. Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER, DUMBASS." miguel, soc.singles ================================================== ==================== "must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every ****ing post? You're very annoying." projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy ================================================== ==================== "I went to the Garden of Love, And saw what I never had seen; A Chapel was built in the midst, Where I used to play on the green. And the gates of this Chapel were shut And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door; So I turned to the Garden of Love That so many sweet flowers bore. And I saw it was filled with graves, And tombstones where flowers should be; And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds, And binding with briars my joys and desires." William Blake. ================================================== ==================== "When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment." Native American prophecy |\ _.-'~~""'~`'~) /, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--'' |,4) ./ ' ; ;/' '-~~;'@ ( ; ; _.--'' _.-_..' .;.' (,_..----''' (,..--'' Meow |
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for the advice. I thought about not posting, because I know that it can backfire. However, I was gambling that there were people here who actually enjoyed sailing, and I was hoping to reach them. Sites like mine only really spread through word of mouth. If a few people really like it, then it just might catch on. I guess what I really need to do is reach into my pocket and buy some ads. I got some free ad money when I signed up with my service, but I have been hesitant to buy more with my own money, especially when this is not a money making venture. As for the meat versus vegetarian lifestyle, and its ethical implications, I refuse to take sides. I like my veggies, but my family had roots in farming and ranching before we moved to the coast. I will spare you the details of that life, but I let's just say I enjoy a good steak now and then. Finally, I got the sailing bug big time. I always admired the grace and beauty of a sailing ship on the water, but I didn't really get hooked until a convergence of events. I used to be the editor for a couple of online RC magazines, and one day I got a RC sailboat in the mail. The site I worked for was dedicated to planes, but I had to give the boat a try. Something about it intrigued me. Anyway, not long after I got hooked on RC sailing, my day-job employer sent me out to San Jose. While I was there, I visited San Francisco. After I saw the boats on the bay, I knew I had to get my own boat. My wife supported me 100%, and now my family and I sail together. It has been the best family time we have ever spent together, and I love being out on the water. You should try it again some time. I will admit it isn't for everybody. I have a buddy who was in the Navy, and he can't stand sailboats. He's more of a jet-ski type of guy. Oh well. Different strokes I guess... Thanks again, Dave "Steve Leyland" wrote in message ... Dave Lilley wrote: : I've eaten spam, but I'm not a spammer. I'm a sailor. ![]() dude, I've done none of the above 3 things. 1: I'm a vegetarian for ethical and health reasons. 2: spam sucks 3: only sailed in a yacht once many years ago unless you count being on a pirate radio ship as sailing, but really it was a hulk with an anchor. : : I sail down in Texas, and I'm a member of a sailing club and an : organization for my boat. At both there seemed to be something : missing in their websites. Since in my day job I'm a professional : software developer in my day job, I'd have hoped a professional would know that top-posting on usenet is not a good thing; no disrespect, but articles on usenet do expire and top-posting simply confuses a reader who may be a latecomer to a thread. : I decided to start my own site. I : would think to be spammer you would need a financial motive. (I : could be wrong. Who knows what motivates some people.) Anyway, since : I started the site on les than a shoestring budget, and since I'm not : in it to make a dime, I was hoping to get the word out word of mouth. : (It is amazing what you can do with free, open source software.) I : know that there is a fine line between word of mouth and loud and : obnoxious spam. That's why I will only mention the name once, and : only after I get permission from at least one person. After that, : the site will live or die on its own merits. If nobody uses it, my : wife would probably be a bit happier, because then I wouldn't have an : excuse to get out of my honey-dos. (I hope it works. I hate yard : work.) : : Dave good luck with your site, sincerely. my main concern was that I am currently taking an interest in this group for the precise reason that there are two known people who are prone to netKKKop anything they see which they disagree with, which is why I wanted to warn you about possible problems posting your site's url. the fact that JG, who is the main offender here took it upon himself to approve your post is slightly worrying in an unmoderated newsgroup. : : : : "Steve Leyland" wrote : in message ... :: Dave Lilley wrote: ::: I set up a new, not-for-profit sailing site with sailing news feeds, ::: weather, forums, photo galleries, chat, free classifieds, etc... If ::: anyone is intersted, I will post the link. If not, you will never ::: hear another word about it. Just let me know... :: :: better run it past the netKKKops first, they might decide you are a :: spammer. ::: ::: Thanks, ::: Dave Lilley :: :: -- :: Steve Leyland :: mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41 :: flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9 :: em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org :: Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept) :: http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/ :: http://www.radioxanadu.tk :: :: =^MEOW MEOW ARMY^= :: :: There's no future in time travel. :: ================================================== ==================== :: "Warning to all: :: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the :: muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past :: UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*" :: :: bear, uk.rec.motorcycles :: ================================================== ==================== :: "This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about :: usenet. Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET :: ALTOGETHER, DUMBASS." :: :: miguel, soc.singles :: ================================================== ==================== :: "must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in :: every ****ing post? You're very annoying." :: :: projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy :: ================================================== ==================== :: "I went to the Garden of Love, :: And saw what I never had seen; :: A Chapel was built in the midst, :: Where I used to play on the green. :: :: And the gates of this Chapel were shut :: And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door; :: So I turned to the Garden of Love :: That so many sweet flowers bore. :: :: And I saw it was filled with graves, :: And tombstones where flowers should be; :: And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds, :: And binding with briars my joys and desires." :: :: William Blake. :: ================================================== ==================== :: "When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe :: of people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in :: deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known :: as Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment." :: :: Native American prophecy :: :: :: |\ _.-'~~""'~`'~) :: /, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--'' :: |,4) ./ ' ; ;/' :: '-~~;'@ ( ; ; :: _.--'' _.-_..' .;.' :: (,_..----''' (,..--'' :: :: Meow -- Steve Leyland mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41 flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9 em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept) http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/ http://www.radioxanadu.tk =^MEOW MEOW ARMY^= Tell them dear, that if eyes were made for seeing, Then beauty is its own excuse for being: Why thou wert there, O rival of the rose! I never sought to ask, I never knew: But, in my simple ignorance suppose The selfsame power that brought me there brought you. - Ralph Waldo Emerson ================================================== ==================== My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing. jg, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa ================================================== ==================== "Warning to all: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*" bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles ================================================== ==================== "This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet. Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER, DUMBASS." miguel, soc.singles ================================================== ==================== "must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every ****ing post? You're very annoying." projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy ================================================== ==================== "I went to the Garden of Love, And saw what I never had seen; A Chapel was built in the midst, Where I used to play on the green. And the gates of this Chapel were shut And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door; So I turned to the Garden of Love That so many sweet flowers bore. And I saw it was filled with graves, And tombstones where flowers should be; And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds, And binding with briars my joys and desires." William Blake. ================================================== ==================== "When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment." Native American prophecy |\ _.-'~~""'~`'~) /, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--'' |,4) ./ ' ; ;/' '-~~;'@ ( ; ; _.--'' _.-_..' .;.' (,_..----''' (,..--'' Meow |
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Dave Lilley wrote:
: Hi Steve, hello again, dave. I strongly expect you'll have received email by now warning you not to respond to me because I am taking a stand against the control-freaks in here, so I'll totally understand if you are bullied into not replying. : : Thanks for the advice. I thought about not posting, because I know : that it can backfire. However, I was gambling that there were people : here who actually enjoyed sailing, and I was hoping to reach them. : Sites like mine only really spread through word of mouth. If a few : people really like it, then it just might catch on. I guess what I : really need to do is reach into my pocket and buy some ads. I got : some free ad money when I signed up with my service, but I have been : hesitant to buy more with my own money, especially when this is not a : money making venture. man, screw paying for advertising! as you correctly say; with a hobby site, word of mouth is indeed your best advertisement. I'd also suggest ensure that the meta tags in your html contain appropriate keywords. Also include as many links to other relevant sites as possible. it's been a long while since I did any webdesign so things might well have changed since then, but the way google used to work when it did its bizarre monthly "google-dance" was to rate by exterior links to your site, so trading links is definitely the way to go. : : As for the meat versus vegetarian lifestyle, and its ethical : implications, I refuse to take sides. I like my veggies, but my : family had roots in farming and ranching before we moved to the : coast. I will spare you the details of that life, but I let's just : say I enjoy a good steak now and then. no lectures here, d00d. suffice to say that one man's meat is another's poison. : : Finally, I got the sailing bug big time. I always admired the grace : and beauty of a sailing ship on the water, but I didn't really get : hooked until a convergence of events. I used to be the editor for a : couple of online RC magazines, and one day I got a RC sailboat in the : mail. The site I worked for was dedicated to planes, but I had to : give the boat a try. Something about it intrigued me. Anyway, not : long after I got hooked on RC sailing, my day-job employer sent me : out to San Jose. While I was there, I visited San Francisco. After : I saw the boats on the bay, I knew I had to get my own boat. My wife : supported me 100%, and now my family and I sail together. It has : been the best family time we have ever spent together, and I love : being out on the water. You should try it again some time. I will : admit it isn't for everybody. I have a buddy who was in the Navy, : and he can't stand sailboats. He's more of a jet-ski type of guy. : Oh well. Different strokes I guess... oh, I'm sure I will try it again sometime. the one time I was in a half-rater (the owner called it that) with a few mates we sailed around a local island and I absolutely loved it! BTW, see how typing underneath the relevant parts of text is better than posting it all at the top now? -- Steve Leyland mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41 flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9 em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept) http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/ http://www.radioxanadu.tk =^MEOW MEOW ARMY^= It's impossible to sneeze with your eyes open. ================================================== ==================== My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing. jg, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa ================================================== ==================== "Warning to all: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*" bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles ================================================== ==================== "This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet. Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER, DUMBASS." miguel, soc.singles ================================================== ==================== "must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every ****ing post? You're very annoying." projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy ================================================== ==================== "I went to the Garden of Love, And saw what I never had seen; A Chapel was built in the midst, Where I used to play on the green. And the gates of this Chapel were shut And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door; So I turned to the Garden of Love That so many sweet flowers bore. And I saw it was filled with graves, And tombstones where flowers should be; And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds, And binding with briars my joys and desires." William Blake. ================================================== ==================== "When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment." Native American prophecy |\ _.-'~~""'~`'~) /, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--'' |,4) ./ ' ; ;/' '-~~;'@ ( ; ; _.--'' _.-_..' .;.' (,_..----''' (,..--'' Meow |
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