Dave, a suggestion; include the URL with your sig. Then post here once
in a while.

Scotty

Thanks for the tip.

I decided to stop lurking and subscribed to this group. I love to read
about sailing and chat, especially when it's free.

Thanks,
Dave

"Scotty" wrote in message
ups.com...
Dave, a suggestion; include the URL with your sig. Then post here once
in a while.

Scotty

Dave Lilley wrote:
: I've eaten spam, but I'm not a spammer. I'm a sailor.

dude, I've done none of the above 3 things.
1: I'm a vegetarian for ethical and health reasons.
2: spam sucks
3: only sailed in a yacht once many years ago unless you count being on a
pirate radio ship as sailing, but really it was a hulk with an anchor.
:
: I sail down in Texas, and I'm a member of a sailing club and an
: organization for my boat. At both there seemed to be something
: missing in their websites. Since in my day job I'm a professional
: software developer in my day job,

I'd have hoped a professional would know that top-posting on usenet is not a
good thing; no disrespect, but articles on usenet do expire and top-posting
simply confuses a reader who may be a latecomer to a thread.

: I decided to start my own site. I
: would think to be spammer you would need a financial motive. (I
: could be wrong. Who knows what motivates some people.) Anyway, since
: I started the site on les than a shoestring budget, and since I'm not
: in it to make a dime, I was hoping to get the word out word of mouth.
: (It is amazing what you can do with free, open source software.) I
: know that there is a fine line between word of mouth and loud and
: obnoxious spam. That's why I will only mention the name once, and
: only after I get permission from at least one person. After that,
: the site will live or die on its own merits. If nobody uses it, my
: wife would probably be a bit happier, because then I wouldn't have an
: excuse to get out of my honey-dos. (I hope it works. I hate yard
: work.)
:
: Dave

good luck with your site, sincerely.
my main concern was that I am currently taking an interest in this group for
the precise reason that there are two known people who are prone to netKKKop
anything they see which they disagree with, which is why I wanted to warn
you about possible problems posting your site's url.
the fact that JG, who is the main offender here took it upon himself to
approve your post is slightly worrying in an unmoderated newsgroup.
:
:
:
: "Steve Leyland" wrote
: in message ...
:: Dave Lilley wrote:
::: I set up a new, not-for-profit sailing site with sailing news feeds,
::: weather, forums, photo galleries, chat, free classifieds, etc... If
::: anyone is intersted, I will post the link. If not, you will never
::: hear another word about it. Just let me know...
::
:: better run it past the netKKKops first, they might decide you are a
:: spammer.
:::
::: Thanks,
::: Dave Lilley
::
:: --
:: Steve Leyland
:: mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
:: flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
:: em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
:: Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
:: http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/
:: http://www.radioxanadu.tk
::
:: =^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
::
:: There's no future in time travel.
:: ================================================== ====================
:: "Warning to all:
:: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the
:: muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
:: UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"
::
:: bear, uk.rec.motorcycles
:: ================================================== ====================
:: "This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about
:: usenet. Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET
:: ALTOGETHER, DUMBASS."
::
:: miguel, soc.singles
:: ================================================== ====================
:: "must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in
:: every ****ing post? You're very annoying."
::
:: projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy
:: ================================================== ====================
:: "I went to the Garden of Love,
:: And saw what I never had seen;
:: A Chapel was built in the midst,
:: Where I used to play on the green.
::
:: And the gates of this Chapel were shut
:: And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
:: So I turned to the Garden of Love
:: That so many sweet flowers bore.
::
:: And I saw it was filled with graves,
:: And tombstones where flowers should be;
:: And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
:: And binding with briars my joys and desires."
::
:: William Blake.
:: ================================================== ====================
:: "When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe
:: of people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
:: deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known
:: as Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."
::
:: Native American prophecy
::
::
:: |\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
:: /, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--''
:: |,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
:: '-~~;'@ ( ; ;
:: _.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
:: (,_..----''' (,..--''
::
:: Meow

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/
http://www.radioxanadu.tk

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

Tell them dear, that if eyes were made for seeing, Then beauty is its
own excuse for being: Why thou wert there, O rival of the rose! I never
sought to ask, I never knew: But, in my simple ignorance suppose The
selfsame power that brought me there brought you. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
================================================== ====================
My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the
lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in
the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely
ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response
is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing.

jg, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa
================================================== ====================
"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"

bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles
================================================== ====================
"This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet.
Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER,
DUMBASS."

miguel, soc.singles
================================================== ====================
"must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every
****ing post? You're very annoying."

projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy
================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


|\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
/, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--''
|,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
'-~~;'@ ( ; ;
_.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
(,_..----''' (,..--''

Meow

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the advice. I thought about not posting, because I know that it
can backfire. However, I was gambling that there were people here who
actually enjoyed sailing, and I was hoping to reach them. Sites like mine
only really spread through word of mouth. If a few people really like it,
then it just might catch on. I guess what I really need to do is reach into
my pocket and buy some ads. I got some free ad money when I signed up with
my service, but I have been hesitant to buy more with my own money,
especially when this is not a money making venture.

As for the meat versus vegetarian lifestyle, and its ethical implications, I
refuse to take sides. I like my veggies, but my family had roots in farming
and ranching before we moved to the coast. I will spare you the details of
that life, but I let's just say I enjoy a good steak now and then.

Finally, I got the sailing bug big time. I always admired the grace and
beauty of a sailing ship on the water, but I didn't really get hooked until
a convergence of events. I used to be the editor for a couple of online RC
magazines, and one day I got a RC sailboat in the mail. The site I worked
for was dedicated to planes, but I had to give the boat a try. Something
about it intrigued me. Anyway, not long after I got hooked on RC sailing,
my day-job employer sent me out to San Jose. While I was there, I visited
San Francisco. After I saw the boats on the bay, I knew I had to get my own
boat. My wife supported me 100%, and now my family and I sail together. It
has been the best family time we have ever spent together, and I love being
out on the water. You should try it again some time. I will admit it isn't
for everybody. I have a buddy who was in the Navy, and he can't stand
sailboats. He's more of a jet-ski type of guy. Oh well. Different strokes
I guess...

Thanks again,
Dave

"Steve Leyland" wrote in
message ...
Dave Lilley wrote:
: I've eaten spam, but I'm not a spammer. I'm a sailor.

dude, I've done none of the above 3 things.
1: I'm a vegetarian for ethical and health reasons.
2: spam sucks
3: only sailed in a yacht once many years ago unless you count being on a
pirate radio ship as sailing, but really it was a hulk with an anchor.
:
: I sail down in Texas, and I'm a member of a sailing club and an
: organization for my boat. At both there seemed to be something
: missing in their websites. Since in my day job I'm a professional
: software developer in my day job,

I'd have hoped a professional would know that top-posting on usenet is not
a
good thing; no disrespect, but articles on usenet do expire and
top-posting
simply confuses a reader who may be a latecomer to a thread.

: I decided to start my own site. I
: would think to be spammer you would need a financial motive. (I
: could be wrong. Who knows what motivates some people.) Anyway, since
: I started the site on les than a shoestring budget, and since I'm not
: in it to make a dime, I was hoping to get the word out word of mouth.
: (It is amazing what you can do with free, open source software.) I
: know that there is a fine line between word of mouth and loud and
: obnoxious spam. That's why I will only mention the name once, and
: only after I get permission from at least one person. After that,
: the site will live or die on its own merits. If nobody uses it, my
: wife would probably be a bit happier, because then I wouldn't have an
: excuse to get out of my honey-dos. (I hope it works. I hate yard
: work.)
:
: Dave

good luck with your site, sincerely.
my main concern was that I am currently taking an interest in this group
for
the precise reason that there are two known people who are prone to
netKKKop
anything they see which they disagree with, which is why I wanted to warn
you about possible problems posting your site's url.
the fact that JG, who is the main offender here took it upon himself to
approve your post is slightly worrying in an unmoderated newsgroup.
:
:
:
: "Steve Leyland" wrote
: in message ...
:: Dave Lilley wrote:
::: I set up a new, not-for-profit sailing site with sailing news feeds,
::: weather, forums, photo galleries, chat, free classifieds, etc... If
::: anyone is intersted, I will post the link. If not, you will never
::: hear another word about it. Just let me know...
::
:: better run it past the netKKKops first, they might decide you are a
:: spammer.
:::
::: Thanks,
::: Dave Lilley
::
:: --
:: Steve Leyland
:: mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
:: flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
:: em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
:: Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
:: http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/
:: http://www.radioxanadu.tk
::
:: =^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=
::
:: There's no future in time travel.
:: ================================================== ====================
:: "Warning to all:
:: Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the
:: muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
:: UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"
::
:: bear, uk.rec.motorcycles
:: ================================================== ====================
:: "This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about
:: usenet. Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET
:: ALTOGETHER, DUMBASS."
::
:: miguel, soc.singles
:: ================================================== ====================
:: "must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in
:: every ****ing post? You're very annoying."
::
:: projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy
:: ================================================== ====================
:: "I went to the Garden of Love,
:: And saw what I never had seen;
:: A Chapel was built in the midst,
:: Where I used to play on the green.
::
:: And the gates of this Chapel were shut
:: And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
:: So I turned to the Garden of Love
:: That so many sweet flowers bore.
::
:: And I saw it was filled with graves,
:: And tombstones where flowers should be;
:: And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
:: And binding with briars my joys and desires."
::
:: William Blake.
:: ================================================== ====================
:: "When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe
:: of people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
:: deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known
:: as Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."
::
:: Native American prophecy
::
::
:: |\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
:: /, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--''
:: |,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
:: '-~~;'@ ( ; ;
:: _.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
:: (,_..----''' (,..--''
::
:: Meow

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/
http://www.radioxanadu.tk

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

Tell them dear, that if eyes were made for seeing, Then beauty is its
own excuse for being: Why thou wert there, O rival of the rose! I never
sought to ask, I never knew: But, in my simple ignorance suppose The
selfsame power that brought me there brought you. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
================================================== ====================
My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the
lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in
the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely
ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response
is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing.

jg, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa
================================================== ====================
"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"

bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles
================================================== ====================
"This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet.
Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER,
DUMBASS."

miguel, soc.singles
================================================== ====================
"must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every
****ing post? You're very annoying."

projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy
================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


|\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
/, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--''
|,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
'-~~;'@ ( ; ;
_.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
(,_..----''' (,..--''

Meow

Dave Lilley wrote:
: Hi Steve,

hello again, dave.
I strongly expect you'll have received email by now warning you not to
respond to me because I am taking a stand against the control-freaks in
here, so I'll totally understand if you are bullied into not replying.
:
: Thanks for the advice. I thought about not posting, because I know
: that it can backfire. However, I was gambling that there were people
: here who actually enjoyed sailing, and I was hoping to reach them.
: Sites like mine only really spread through word of mouth. If a few
: people really like it, then it just might catch on. I guess what I
: really need to do is reach into my pocket and buy some ads. I got
: some free ad money when I signed up with my service, but I have been
: hesitant to buy more with my own money, especially when this is not a
: money making venture.

man, screw paying for advertising!
as you correctly say; with a hobby site, word of mouth is indeed your best
advertisement.
I'd also suggest ensure that the meta tags in your html contain appropriate
keywords.
Also include as many links to other relevant sites as possible. it's been a
long while since I did any webdesign so things might well have changed since
then, but the way google used to work when it did its bizarre monthly
"google-dance" was to rate by exterior links to your site, so trading links
is definitely the way to go.
:
: As for the meat versus vegetarian lifestyle, and its ethical
: implications, I refuse to take sides. I like my veggies, but my
: family had roots in farming and ranching before we moved to the
: coast. I will spare you the details of that life, but I let's just
: say I enjoy a good steak now and then.

no lectures here, d00d. suffice to say that one man's meat is another's
poison.
:
: Finally, I got the sailing bug big time. I always admired the grace
: and beauty of a sailing ship on the water, but I didn't really get
: hooked until a convergence of events. I used to be the editor for a
: couple of online RC magazines, and one day I got a RC sailboat in the
: mail. The site I worked for was dedicated to planes, but I had to
: give the boat a try. Something about it intrigued me. Anyway, not
: long after I got hooked on RC sailing, my day-job employer sent me
: out to San Jose. While I was there, I visited San Francisco. After
: I saw the boats on the bay, I knew I had to get my own boat. My wife
: supported me 100%, and now my family and I sail together. It has
: been the best family time we have ever spent together, and I love
: being out on the water. You should try it again some time. I will
: admit it isn't for everybody. I have a buddy who was in the Navy,
: and he can't stand sailboats. He's more of a jet-ski type of guy.
: Oh well. Different strokes I guess...

oh, I'm sure I will try it again sometime.
the one time I was in a half-rater (the owner called it that) with a few
mates we sailed around a local island and I absolutely loved it!

BTW, see how typing underneath the relevant parts of text is better than
posting it all at the top now?

--
Steve Leyland
mhm32x16 Smeeter#24 WSD#41
flower: three 6 four 9 five 8 eight 9
em ess en: my 1st name at purgatory dot org
Alcatroll Labs Inc (bongwater maintenance dept)
http://www.insurgent.org/~alcatroll/
http://www.radioxanadu.tk

=^MEOW MEOW ARMY^=

It's impossible to sneeze with your eyes open.
================================================== ====================
My suggestion is to completely ignore idiots like Leland. They are the
lowest form of pond scum. People like him have tried unsuccessfully in
the past to disrupt the newsgroup. The best medicine is to completely
ignore them. As I'm sure you'll see, they're most intelligent response
is to yell nasty names. Other than that, they have nothing.

jg, netKKKop, alt.sailing.asa
================================================== ====================
"Warning to all:
Steve Leyland is a trolling **** of the highest order. Killfile the
muppet now and move on. Even the briefest of searches on his past
UseNet posts will reveal the truth. You have been warned. *plonk*"

bear, netKKKop, uk.rec.motorcycles
================================================== ====================
"This sig is an abomination of all that is good and right about usenet.
Do the entire world a favor and REMOVE YOURSELF FROM USENET ALTOGETHER,
DUMBASS."

miguel, soc.singles
================================================== ====================
"must you include your 75847548574893579345 gigabyte sig file in every
****ing post? You're very annoying."

projectile vomit chick, alt.music.ozzy
================================================== ====================
"I went to the Garden of Love,
And saw what I never had seen;
A Chapel was built in the midst,
Where I used to play on the green.

And the gates of this Chapel were shut
And "Thou shalt not," writ over the door;
So I turned to the Garden of Love
That so many sweet flowers bore.

And I saw it was filled with graves,
And tombstones where flowers should be;
And priests in black gowns were walking their rounds,
And binding with briars my joys and desires."

William Blake.
================================================== ====================
"When the Earth has been ravaged and the animals are dying, a tribe of
people from all races, creeds and colours shall put their faith in
deeds, not words, and make the land green again. They shall be known as
Warriors of the Rainbow, protectors of the environment."

Native American prophecy


|\ _.-'~~""'~`'~)
/, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--''
|,4) ./ ' ; ;/'
'-~~;'@ ( ; ;
_.--'' _.-_..' .;.'
(,_..----''' (,..--''

Meow